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Temperaments considered in families and clans are:  
Temperaments considered in families and clans are:  
* ''[[Pelogic]]'' → [[Mavila family #Pelogic|Mavila family]] (+21/20 or 135/128, generated by the fifth with 5/4 mapped to the m3)
* ''[[Pelogic]]'' (+21/20 or 135/128) → [[Mavila family #Pelogic|Mavila family]]
* [[Meantone]] → [[Meantone family #Septimal meantone|Meantone family]] (+81/80 or 126/125, generated by the fifth with 5/4 mapped to the M3)
* [[Meantone]] (+81/80 or 126/125) → [[Meantone family #Septimal meantone|Meantone family]]
* [[Garibaldi]] → [[Schismatic family #Garibaldi|Schismatic family]] (+3125/3087, generated by the fifth with 5/4 mapped to the d4)
* [[Garibaldi]] (+3125/3087) → [[Schismatic family #Garibaldi|Schismatic family]]
* [[Pajara]] → [[Diaschismic family #Pajara|Diaschismic family]] (+50/49 or 64/63, generated by the fifth with a semioctave period)
* [[Pajara]] (+50/49 or 64/63) → [[Diaschismic family #Pajara|Diaschismic family]]
* ''[[Sharpie]]'' → [[Dicot family #Sharpie|Dicot family]] (+25/24 or 28/27, fifth sliced in two)
* ''[[Sharpie]]'' (+25/24 or 28/27) → [[Dicot family #Sharpie|Dicot family]]
* ''[[Immune]]'' → [[Immunity family #Immune|Immunity family]] (+781250/750141, twelfth sliced in two)
* ''[[Immune]]'' (+781250/750141) → [[Immunity family #Immune|Immunity family]]
* ''[[August]]'' → [[Augmented family #August|Augmented family]] (+36/35 or 128/125, generated by the fifth with a 1/3-octave period)
* ''[[August]]'' (+36/35 or 128/125) → [[Augmented family #August|Augmented family]]
* ''[[Fog]]'' → [[Misty family #Fog|Misty family]] (+156250/151263, generated by the fifth with a 1/3-octave period)
* ''[[Fog]]'' (+156250/151263) → [[Misty family #Fog|Misty family]]
* [[Negri]] → [[Slendro clan #Negri|Slendro clan]] (+49/48, fourth sliced in four)
* [[Bunya]] (+15625/15309) → [[Tetracot family #Bunya|Tetracot family]]
* [[Magic]] → [[Magic family #Magic|Magic family]] (+245/243, twelfth sliced in five)
* [[Negri]] (+49/48) → [[Semaphoresmic clan #Negri|Semaphoresmic clan]]
* ''[[Passive]]'' → [[Passion family #Passive|Passion family]] (+256/245, fourth sliced in five)
* [[Magic]] (+245/243) → [[Magic family #Magic|Magic family]]
* ''[[Quintapole]]'' → [[Quintaleap family #Quintapole|Quintaleap family]] (+7812500/7411887, fourth sliced in five)
* ''[[Passive]]'' (+256/245) → [[Passion family #Passive|Passion family]]
* ''[[Houborizic]]'' → [[Amity family #Houborizic|Amity family]] (+1250000/1240029, eleventh sliced in five)
* ''[[Houborizic]]'' (+1250000/1240029) → [[Amity family #Houborizic|Amity family]]
* ''[[Qintosec]]'' → [[Quintosec family #Qintosec|Quintosec family]] (+2560000/2470629, generated by the classical minor second with a 1/5-octave period)
* ''[[Qintosec]]'' (+2560000/2470629) → [[Quintosec family #Qintosec|Quintosec family]]
* [[Miracle]] → [[Gamelismic clan #Miracle|Gamelismic clan]] (+1029/1024, fifth sliced in six)
* [[Miracle]] (+1029/1024) → [[Gamelismic clan #Miracle|Gamelismic clan]]
* [[Catakleismic]] → [[Kleismic family #Catakleismic|Kleismic family]] (+4375/4374, twelfth sliced in six)
* [[Catakleismic]] (+4375/4374) → [[Kleismic family #Catakleismic|Kleismic family]]
* ''[[Marvo]]'' → [[Gravity family #Marvo|Gravity family]] (+78125000/78121827, two octaves and a fifth sliced in six)
* ''[[Marvo]]'' (+78125000/78121827) → [[Gravity family #Marvo|Gravity family]]
* [[Orwell]] → [[Semicomma family #Orwell|Semicomma family]] (+1728/1715, twelfth sliced in seven)
* [[Orwell]] (+1728/1715) → [[Semicomma family #Orwell|Semicomma family]]
* ''[[Snipes]]''  → [[Wesley family #Snipes|Wesley family]] (+6125/5832, two octaves and a fourth sliced in seven)
* ''[[Snipes]]'' (+6125/5832) → [[Wesley family #Snipes|Wesley family]]
* ''[[Submajor]]'' → [[Buzzardsmic clan #Submajor|Buzzardsmic clan]] (+65536/64827, two octaves and a fourth sliced in eight)
* ''[[Demibuzzard]]'' (+65536/64827) → [[Buzzardsmic clan #Demibuzzard|Buzzardsmic clan]]
* ''[[Escapist]]'' → [[Escapade family #Escapist|Escapade family]] (+65625/65536, fourth sliced in nine)
* ''[[Escapist]]'' (+65625/65536) → [[Escapade family #Escapist|Escapade family]]
* ''[[Decic]]'' → [[Cloudy clan #Decic|Cloudy clan]] (+16807/16384, generated by the fifth with a 1/10-octave period)
* ''[[Amavil]]'' (+17496/16807) → [[Mabila family #Amavil|Mabila family]]
* ''[[Amavil]]'' → [[Mabila family #Amavil|Mabila family]] (+17496/16807, four octaves and a fourth sliced in ten)
* ''[[Betic]]'' (+1071875/1062882) → [[Sycamore family #Betic|Sycamore family]]
* ''[[Betic]]'' → [[Sycamore family #Betic|Sycamore family]] (+1071875/1062882, fifth sliced in eleven)
* [[Compton]] (+250047/250000) → [[Compton family #Compton|Compton family]]
* ''[[Hendeca]]'' → [[11th-octave temperaments #Hendeca|11th-octave temperaments]] (+122880/117649, generated by the fifth with a 1/11-octave period)
* ''[[Raccoon]]'' (+41943040/40353607) → [[Vavoom family #Raccoon|Vavoom family]]
* ''[[Compton]]'' → [[Compton family #Compton|Compton family]] (+250047/250000, generated by the classical major third with a 1/12-octave period)
* ''[[Maquila]]'' (+30233088/28824005) → [[Maquila family #Septimal maquila|Maquila family]]
* ''[[Raccoon]]'' → [[Vavoom family #Raccoon|Vavoom family]] (+41943040/40353607, twelfth sliced in seventeen)
* ''[[Gammy]]'' (+94143178827/91913281250) → [[Gammic family #Gammy|Gammic family]]
* ''[[Maquila]]'' → [[Maquila family #Septimal maquila|Maquila family]] (+30233088/28824005, seven octaves and a fifth sliced in seventeen)
* ''[[Gammy]]'' → [[Gammic family #Gammy|Gammic family]] (+94143178827/91913281250, fifth sliced in twenty)


Considered below are wizard, tritonic, septimin, slender, triton, merman, marvolo, amavil, enneaportent, alphorn, tertiosec, gwazy, and gracecordial.  
Considered below are wizard, tritonic, septimin, merman, slender, triton, marvolo, decic, enneaportent, gracecordial, alphorn, misneb, untriton, naiadical, quintannic, hendeca, gwazy, and tertiosec, in the order of increasing [[badness]].  


Since {{nowrap|(5/4)<sup>2</sup> {{=}} (225/224)⋅(14/9)}}, these temperaments tend to have a relatively small complexity for 5/4. They also possess a version of the augmented triad where each third approximates either 5/4 or 9/7. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before 12edo established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as two stacked major thirds and a diminished fourth, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of three stacked very sharp major thirds.
Since {{nowrap|(5/4)<sup>2</sup> {{=}} (225/224)⋅(14/9)}}, these temperaments tend to have a relatively small complexity for 5/4. They also possess a version of the augmented triad where each third approximates either 5/4 or 9/7. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before 12edo established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as two stacked major thirds and a diminished fourth, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of three stacked very sharp major thirds.
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Badness (Sintel): 1.20
Badness (Sintel): 1.20


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness (Sintel): 1.14
Badness (Sintel): 1.14
=== Mermaid ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 385/384, 532400/531441
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -2 10 11 -16 | 0 7 -15 -16 38 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1199.4973{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.7004{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.4470{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 84e, 125, 166 }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.46
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 225/224, 325/324, 385/384, 10648/10647
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -2 10 11 22 32 | 0 7 -15 -16 38 58 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1200.5126{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.7152{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/7 = 614.4562{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 84ef, 125f, 166 }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.47


== Slender ==
== Slender ==
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== Triton ==
== Triton ==
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Stump]].''
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–kleismic equivalence continuum #Stump]].''


Triton may be described as the {{nowrap| 19 & 21 }} temperament. Like [[#Tritonic|tritonic]], it is generated by a [[~]][[10/7]] [[tritone]], but here, three generator steps give the [[interval class]] of [[3/1|3]]. The [[ploidacot]] for this temperament is alpha-tricot.  
Triton may be described as the {{nowrap| 19 & 21 }} temperament. Like [[#Tritonic|tritonic]], it is generated by a [[~]][[10/7]] [[tritone]], but here, three generator steps give the [[interval class]] of [[3/1|3]]. The [[ploidacot]] for this temperament is alpha-tricot.  
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Badness (Sintel): 0.895
Badness (Sintel): 0.895
== Decic ==
{{Main| Decic }}
Named by [[Xenllium]] in 2021, decic tempers out 16807/16384, the [[cloudy comma]], and {{monzo| 11 -10 -10 10 }}, the [[linus comma]], in addition to the marvel comma. It may be described as the {{nowrap| 50 & 60 }} temperament, with a period of 1/10 octave and a [[ploidacot]] signature of decaploid monocot. It is [[support]]ed by [[10edo|10-]], [[50edo|50-]], and [[60edo]].
It can be extended to the 11-, 13-, and 17-limit by adding [[385/384]], [[105/104]], and [[170/169]] to the comma list in this order.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 16807/16384
{{Mapping|legend=1| 10 0 39 28 | 0 1 -1 0 }}
: mapping generators: ~15/14, ~3
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~15/14 = 120.1837{{c}}, ~3/2 = 699.7654{{c}} (~49/48 = 21.3366{{c}})
: [[error map]]: {{val| +1.837 -0.353 -0.753 -3.683 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~15/14 = 120.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.8236{{c}} (~49/48 = 21.1764{{c}})
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -3.131 -5.137 -8.826 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 10, 30b, 40, 50, 60, 110d, 170cdd }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.26
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 385/384, 3087/3025
Mapping: {{mapping| 10 0 39 28 3 | 0 1 -1 0 2 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~15/14 = 120.1406{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.6075{{c}} (~56/55 = 23.2360{{c}})
* CWE: ~15/14 = 120.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.0142{{c}} (~56/55 = 22.9858{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 40, 50 }}
Badness (Sintel): 2.11
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 105/104, 144/143, 196/195, 2200/2197
Mapping: {{mapping| 10 0 39 28 3 37 | 0 1 -1 0 2 0 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~15/14 = 120.1166{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.6705{{c}} (~78/77 = 23.0289{{c}})
* CWE: ~15/14 = 120.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.1492{{c}} (~78/77 = 22.8508{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 40, 50 }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.52
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Comma list: 105/104, 144/143, 170/169, 196/195, 221/220
Mapping: {{mapping| 10 0 39 28 3 37 25 | 0 1 -1 0 2 0 1 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~15/14 = 120.1262{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.8185{{c}} (~78/77 = 22.9388{{c}})
* CWE: ~15/14 = 120.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 697.2757{{c}} (~78/77 = 22.7243{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 40, 50 }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.28
=== Splendecic ===
Splendecic (50 & 60e) is an alternative extension of decic, tempering out 1617/1600, 2401/2376 and 4375/4356 in the 11-limit. As a temperament of the [[fantastic]] rank-3 temperament, its name is a portmanteau of ''splendid'' and ''decic''.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 1617/1600, 2401/2376
Mapping: {{mapping| 10 0 39 28 82 | 0 1 -1 0 -3 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~15/14 = 120.1874{{c}}, ~3/2 = 699.6085{{c}} (~99/98 = 21.5156{{c}})
* CWE: ~15/14 = 120.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.3531{{c}} (~99/98 = 21.6469{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 40e, 50, 60e, 110de, 170cddee }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.98
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 105/104, 196/195, 1001/1000, 1188/1183
Mapping: {{mapping| 10 0 39 28 82 37 | 0 1 -1 0 -3 0 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~15/14 = 120.1565{{c}}, ~3/2 = 699.2756{{c}} (~91/90 = 21.6631{{c}})
* CWE: ~15/14 = 120.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.2480{{c}} (~91/90 = 21.7520{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 40e, 50, 60e, 110de }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.57
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Comma list: 105/104, 170/169, 196/195, 289/288, 375/374
Mapping: {{mapping| 10 0 39 28 82 37 25 | 0 1 -1 0 -3 0 1 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~15/14 = 120.1571{{c}}, ~3/2 = 699.2892{{c}} (~91/90 = 21.6536{{c}})
* CWE: ~15/14 = 120.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 698.3144{{c}} (~91/90 = 21.6856{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10e, 50, 60e, 110deg }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.33
=== Prodecic ===
Prodecic (50e & 60e) is an alternative extension of decic, tempering out 441/440, 1375/1372 and 4375/4356 in the 11-limit. As a temperament of the [[prodigy]] rank-3 temperament, its name is a portmanteau of ''prodigy'' and ''decic''.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 5929/5832
Mapping: {{mapping| 10 0 39 28 -13 | 0 1 -1 0 3 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~15/14 = 120.2024{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.3908{{c}} (~55/54 = 19.8237{{c}})
* CWE: ~15/14 = 120.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.5235{{c}} (~55/54 = 19.4765{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 50e, 60e }}
Badness (Sintel): 2.20
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 105/104, 196/195, 275/273, 5929/5832
Mapping: {{mapping| 10 0 39 28 -13 37 | 0 1 -1 0 3 0 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~15/14 = 120.1654{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.4683{{c}} (~91/90 = 19.5242{{c}})
* CWE: ~15/14 = 120.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.7175{{c}} (~91/90 = 19.2825{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 50e, 60e }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.73
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Comma list: 105/104, 154/153, 170/169, 196/195, 289/288
Mapping: {{mapping| 10 0 39 28 -13 37 25 | 0 1 -1 0 3 0 1 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~15/14 = 120.1577{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.3950{{c}} (~91/90 = 19.5514{{c}})
* CWE: ~15/14 = 120.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.6932{{c}} (~91/90 = 19.3068{{c}})
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 10, 50e, 60e }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.41


== Enneaportent ==
== Enneaportent ==
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Badness (Sintel): 1.17
Badness (Sintel): 1.17
== Hendeca ==
{{Distinguish| Hendec }}
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Hendecatonic]].''
Hendeca tempers out the same 5-limit comma as [[porwell temperaments #Hendecatonic|hendecatonic]], and has a period of 1/11 octave. However, in this temperament, nine periods represent [[7/4]], the same as [[keemic temperaments #Undeka|undeka]]. It can be tuned to [[22edo]] or [[33edo]] using the [[patent val]], or [[55edo]] using the 55d val. It was named by [[Xenllium]] in 2025 as a low-accuracy variant of hendecatonic.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 122880/117649
{{Mapping|legend=1| 11 0 43 31 | 0 1 -1 0 }}
: mapping generators: ~16/15, ~3
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~16/15 = 108.9526{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.4215{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -1.521 -1.055 -2.252 +8.705 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~16/15 = 109.0909{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.2071{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +1.252 +1.388 +12.992 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 55d, 77d, 99dd }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 4.37
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 121/120, 225/224, 352/343
Mapping: {{mapping| 11 0 43 31 38 | 0 1 -1 0 0 }}
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~16/15 = 109.0109{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.5746{{c}}
* CWE: ~16/15 = 109.0909{{c}}, ~3/2 = 703.0395{{c}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22, 55d }}
Badness (Sintel): 2.46


== Gwazy ==
== Gwazy ==
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: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Tertiosec]].''
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Miscellaneous 5-limit temperaments #Tertiosec]].''


Tertiosec may be described as the {{nowrap| 21 & 75 }} temperament. It was initially named ''tertiomar'' by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011<ref name="petr's long post"/>, but was changed to ''tertiosec''.  
Tertiosec may be described as the {{nowrap| 21 & 75 }} temperament. It was initially named ''tertiomar'' by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011<ref name="petr's long post"/>, but was changed to ''tertiosec'' in 2012<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_104268.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''2D temperament names, part I -- reclassified temperaments from message #101780'']</ref>.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
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