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|[[User:IlL/Inthar's EDO impressions|Inthar's EDO impression]]

|The harmony of the cavemen.

|People ought to write more 2-limit music. (Or not.)

|Contained within 12 and so not worth talking about.

|[[2edo]]

|Smallest useful EDO, and it's really cool. Basically 2.3.7 limit (no hint of the 5th harmonic at all), and a great candidate for a scale people can just bang away on. Regular temperament model of slendro.

|1. smallest EDO that has something resembling 3/2. Has a great approximation of the 7th harmonic. Really awesome, stretched out, equal pentatonic scale. Sevish features it here as a prominent subset of 15-EDO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPmuKUm2kJg

|The emancipation from harmony. Nothing clashes with anything else, so you're free to play any combination of notes and concentrate on rhythm, arrangement and instrumentation instead. (and you really need to push those other areas to keep it from getting boring.)

|[[6edo]]

|Smallest 2nd order tuning set - augmented in whole steps.  There are a number of possibilities, but trying to create any sort of tonal movement is useless, modality is useless, and overall, it's overconstrained.

|Whole tone scale. Take out 4\6 and you have a pentatonic subset of the lydian dominant scale.

|Boring as a subset of 12edo, but useful as a very simple 2.9.5.7 temperament. Most of the good 2.9.... scales have 6-note MOSes for this reason.

|the whole tone scale. But, if you flatten the octaves, you can get almost perfect 4:5:7:11 chords, which is worth noting.

|[[7edo]]

|Elemental hypopent.  The experience here is sort of like playing in 5edo, but it's more like a tuning where you have one complete scale to play with. For me, this is the smallest edo with which I would consider composing.  But it's still overconstrained when it comes to trying to modulate anything.

|Equiheptatonic. Again, nothing too original.

|Equi-diatonic.

|Cool in many of the ways that 5 is. Regular temperament model of a scale used in Thai music.

|1. next-smallest EDO that has something resembling 3/2. This sounds like an "equalized" diatonic scale, so that there are no more "major" or "minor" thirds, but just "thirds." 7-EDO is also notable for being an equalized version of a number of scales, including but not limited to: the diatonic scale, mohajira/maqamic[7] and its MODMOS's, porcupine[7], tetracot[7], and mavila[7]. Anyone who's familiar with any of these scales will be able to hear echos of them in 7-EDO. Additionally, if you stretch the octaves to about 1230 cents, you get something which is like every other step of the popular nonoctave [[88cET]], and which can also be thought of as a nonoctave version of [[Tetracot family|tetracot temperament]], with really good 2:3:5 chords.

2. equidiatonic, which is trippy

|The emancipation from harmony, but now with recognisable, if bland diatonic melodies.

|[[8edo]]

|kind of a cool diminished scale, but it suffers from the same problems as other drone-like edo's, in terms of options and constraints.

|First EDO with some kind of quarter tone interval.

|Good edo if you like having 10:11:12:13-based harmony, only neutral second steps and no conventional consonances.

|A very weird edo. It has passable 10:11:12:14 chords, but nothing "rooted" (unless 750 cents is an acceptable 3/2).

|1. An EDO that's often dismissed as an equalized diminished[8] scale, yet contains a lot more. For starters, it's also an equalized sensi[8] (especially if viewed as existing in the 2.9/7.5/3 subgroup, and has, for its size, excellent approximations to the tempered 1/1-9/7-5/3 [[Sensamagic chords|sensamagic chord]]), made of two 450 cent "supermajor thirds" on top of one another. This chord provides a great contrast to the usual diminished chord, as it's much less intense and "evil" sounding, and much more floaty and abstract. I also tend to enjoy huge stacks of 450 cent intervals, which I think are beautiful. Stacks of 750 cent intervals can also be very beautiful: I don't know whether they "approximate 3/2 poorly" or "approximate 14/9 well" or whatever it is, but they sound really good. They're two things that categorically sound to me like sharp fifths mixed with minor sixths, and two of them gets you a minor tenth; this is another way to get away from making it sound "diminished." Lastly, I also note that 8-EDO is an equalized porcupine[8], so for those who are used to porcupine, 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 may trip you out as being sort of like porcupine but with 4:5:6 replaced with 7:9:11. With sensamagic chords, diminished chords, and 7:9:11 chords - all of which differ in consonance - there's no reason why you can't use this tuning to make beautiful, programmatic, and to my ears somewhat "spacy" sounding music.

2. 8-EDO is a great tuning but I dunno if it has a ton of specifically categorically interesting stuff

|Any combination of more than 2 notes sounds bad, and most 2 note combinations sound bad too. Just vile.

|[[9edo]]

|3rd order augmented scale.  I want to like this tuning, but I can't see any value in it beyond noodling.

|Cool approximation of 7/6. I also consider it something of the parent scale of gamelan music.

|On the one hand you can treat the 667 cent intervals as 3/2, yielding an extreme version of [[mavila]] (or 7-limit [[armodue]]) which is a very acceptable tuning for pelog selisir. On the other hand you can treat it has having no 3rd harmonics, as something like a 2.5.7/3 temperament. (Treating it as a super-accurate 2.27/25.7/3 temperament makes no sense to me.) First EDO with '''recognizable''' "major" and "minor" chords.

|1. If we're considering the 667 cent intervals to be 3/2, then this is the first EDO that doesn't temper out 25/24 in the 5-limit, and as such distinguishes between 4:5:6 and 10:12:15. However you want to view it, it's definitely the first EDO to my ears where I can hear distinct "major" and "minor" chords, as detuned as they may be. This is also the first EDO that supports [[Pelogic family|mavila]] and [[Pelogic family|pelogic]] temperament, and the 7-note MOS's are of prime interest here. Because of that, it's the first EDO I know how to create something like "functional harmony" in, although it sounds detuned (which I can get used to; it's not the end of the world). Example here: <nowiki>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV_MzdtU2WQ</nowiki>. Also, like mavila in general, it also allows for common practice music to be translated into this tuning, where major chords become minor and vice versa; however, this experience can be unpleasant if one uses a harsh timbre or isn't prepared for the more discordant harmonies. Examples of that here: <nowiki>http://soundcloud.com/mikebattagliaexperiments/sets/the-mavila-experiments-9-edo/</nowiki>. Random other things: it has a great 7/6 and can also be viewed as an equalized version of superpelog[9] and orwell[9] and augmented[9], contains an interesting augmented[6] where the "minor thirds" are 7/6, and has been used to tune the mavila pelog scale (albeit with stretched octaves).

2. has a lot of what 16-EDO does but with less notes. However, 3/2 is weaker. comparing 9-EDO to 16-EDO can let you compare less notes + easier categorization vs more notes + better accuracy. Smallest EDO with major and minor chords (unless you count 8-EDO but that's kind of out there)

|Marvellously elegant little system. More than enough room for complex melodies and fortifying them with double-stopped 3rds and 6ths sounds awesome.

|[[10edo]]

|Hyperpent with something resembling the chromatic scale. This is the smallest edo set that has anything worthwhile to offer.  Constraints are within the critical range where melody, harmony, and chord changes can make some kind of sense. It's not my favourite edo, but it has its own characteristics.

|The first ''actually'' usable EDO. Decent chords & decent melodic ideas. Sevish's ''Vidya'' is a good example of how it can sound.

|The first conventional-sounding EDO in that it has both fifths and at least two sizes of seconds. The 7-note neutral third scale is cool.

|Like [[blackwood]], except with neutral thirds. Or, blackwood intersects [[dicot]]. Same circle-of-3/2s structure as 5edo, but now there are 360-cent "neutral thirds" and 600-cent "tritones". It's easy to trick people into thinking that [[decimal]] MODMOSes are the familiar "blues scale" (and for that matter, that 0 360 960 cents is a "dominant seventh").

|1. A neutral triad version of [[blackwood]], or a "neutral tetrad" version of [[pajara]], or a neutral [[negri]], or a neutral [[lemba]]. Elaine Walker's written some great stuff in this. I have the feeling that this is a great base scale for "diatonic"-style melodies, but haven't explored it as much yet. Also an equalized [[Trienstonic clan|octokaidecal]][10]. Need to play more

2. don't know a lot about it, but 10-note scales are interesting for also being something in which major and minor can share a triad class, which may be of semi-categorical relevance

|A universe that's recognisable, but everything is distorted and the people have no faces. The merging of 3rds and 6ths removes one of the primary forms of textural expressiveness in 12, leaving it disconcertingly emotionally flat.

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|[[11edo]]

|This one is one of the three edo's that don't really fit any distinct category, and it shows.  In my opinion, it's the second most difficult to use. Lots of possibilities of notes, unlike anything smaller than 9edo, but nothing seems to sound particularly great, not that it sounds particularly awful, either.

|This is probably a good example of where you should use secundal harmony rather than tertial harmony.

|Supports some cool chords and scales. The widened seconds and thirds are a vibe in itself. Underrated.

|Every other note of [[22edo|22]]. This makes it a great 2.9.7.11 temperament. Includes [[machine]], [[orgone]], [http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=11_14&limit=2_9_7_11&#x20;and&#x20;http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=11_20&limit=2_9_7_11 <nowiki>http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=11_14&limit=2_9_7_11</nowiki> and <nowiki>http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=11_20&limit=2_9_7_11</nowiki>]

|1. Amazing and totally underrated EDO. It supports excellent 4:7:9:11 chords, as well as 4:7:9:11:15:17:19 chords if you're into that thing. Was once thought to be mostly "atonal" for lacking 3/2, but revealed as a low-numbered EDO of prime interest after the Great Subgroup Revolution Of 2011. Giving you decently accurate tetradic harmony for only 11 notes is almost a miracle. Supports [[machine]] temperament, of which the 2 2 1 2 2 2 MOS is of interest for being stable and sounding like a "warped diatonic." Example here that loosely uses it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhPjsCoMy-Q. Also supports orgone[7], or 2 2 1 2 1 2 1, which is another "warped diatonic" scale. An example of this:

http://soundcloud.com/mikebattagliaexperiments/sets/tonal-study-in-orgone-temperament/. Also, much like 8-EDO supports the excellent and underrated 2.9/7.5/3 version of sensi temperament.

2. has machine[6] which is a key warped diatonic scale, and orgone[7]. I'd say 11-EDO is way up there in terms of key things to learn for categories because it's small, has great 4:7:9:11 triads, and has warped diatonic scales.

|It can almost pass for 12 as long as you only play one note at at time, but more than that and it's limitations become painfully clear.

|[[12edo]]

|Honestly, the best edo. Not too many notes, not too few. What notes are there sound great.  It's the lowest composite hypopent, as well as the lowest composite of augmented and diminished. You can use it to affect major, minor, augmented, and diminished tonalities very well. The only place it truly falls short is anything beyond that. It's not too great at approximating higher order harmonics, nor does it offer any neutral intervals.  It'd be sort of silly to think of a beginner musician starting with anything other than this or some form of meantone or JI that 12edo approximates.

|I probably shouldn't have listed this.

|Not a bad tuning, all things considered.

|Excellent 5-limit temperament with strong hints of 7. The ideal tuning for the wildly popular [[dominant]] temperament. Also [[augmented]] and [[diminished]]. Currently used as a basis for adaptive tuning, as well as directly, by a huge number of "non-xenharmonic" ensembles.

|If all things are considered, and any personal boredom with it is ignored, it's a really frickin good temperament. For its size, it supports remarkable 5-limit harmony, has a debatably passable representation of the 7-limit, and can sort of "hint" at 11, as in the string of ascending dom9#11 chords in the beginning of this Art Tatum video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaPeks0H3_s. Our theory places "12-EDO" and "meantone" as one example of an infinite series of musical tunings, all of which are of potential interest - however, care must be taken to not unfairly diminish 12-EDO's value in a mathematical sense because one may simply be bored with it. Many feel that everything in it "has already been done"; I have a different perspective as a jazz musician in NYC, where people do new and interesting things with 12-EDO every time I go to Smalls'. (Be more creative!!)

|Widely used...

|The more I study it, the more it's flaws and limitations irritate me.

|[[13edo]]

|To me, this one is the most difficult edo to bend to my will. Like 11edo, it doesn't fit any category, but the tones all just sound off to me.

|Extremely dissonant, but at least the major chord sounds somewhat decent. Not much decent, but its better than nothing.

|The 7- and 8-note pseudo-diatonic scales are good entry points for a beginner. Using the intervals which are similar to 12edo but have different moods requires balancing different tradeoffs.

|Every other note of [[26edo|26]]. This makes it a good temperament for a subgroup containing the primes 5, 11, and 13 (but not 3). Alternatively, the ~738 cent interval could be treated as 3/2, giving a few high-error 5-limit temperaments, including [[uncle]] and [[dicot]].

|1. [[13edo|13]] is insane. I can't get my head wrapped around it, but I love it at the same time. 13 wreaks havoc on my brain because it constantly sends crazy signals about my 12-EDO categories which misfire in fantastic ways. 11-EDO does the same thing, but 13-EDO is worse for no particular reason. You can use this to a particular effect by coming up with warped diatonic scales which have the pattern 2212221, but in which the "octave" now becomes more like a major 7th. Other than that, 13 is also notable for having a bunch of exceedingly beautiful scales which can generate some of the most far out harmonies you've ever heard, and is also simultaneously notable for being totally ignored in this capacity because a long time ago it got a reputation for being harmonically inaccurate and that reputation stuck. The crown jewel in the 13, uh, crown, is father[8], which is an amazingly vivid and bright scale, which for me evokes the imagery of galaxies in deep space and underwater coral reefs and stuff, but it's been largely ignored because it has an interval which is 30 cents off from 3/2 and which sounds bad if you expect it to be 3/2. Despite all that, I like the 738 cent interval for just being the color it is - treat it with caution but use it as an "extension" in chords and such. You can also treat it as 32/21, which means you're treating the inverse as 21/16, at which point you'll probably realize that this scale isn't bad at all - it's just the 2.9.7/3 version of mothra temperament, which Igs has called "A-team." Other nice scales include 2222212, which is glacial[7], and some other stuff. Oh yeah, and also the 738 cent interval is an augmented fifth in 26-EDO, which is twice 13. No comment. It also has good 13/8 and 11/8, and a good 7/6, and a decent 9/8, and a bunch of other random stuff. The circle of not-quite-3/2's hits a ton of those intervals.

2. 13-EDO and 11-EDO both have warped diatonic scales with stretched/compressed octaves

|All the various kinds of 9thno5 chords work, and have interesting new flavours compared to their 12edo equivalents. Well worth getting to grips with the cluster based harmony needed to make it sound nice.

|[[14edo]]

|2nd order hypopent.  It's like the scale from 7edo has some different colours added to its palette.  Not super easy to wield, but it does have a nice spacey sound that makes sense to the ears in a weird way.

|Cool chords. People say that its really dissonant, but I don't hear anything out of the ordinary.

|Intriguing and spicy tuning.

|Jamesbond, [[bug]]/[[semaphore]], etc. (Quite bad whitewood tuning.) Pretty much misses "minor" and "major" thirds entirely, going straight from "subminor" to "neutral" to "supermajor", which makes it very xenharmonic (thought not necessarily *pleasant*). Also don't forget the presence of DTMF ("touch tone") tones. Any phone number is a two-part piece of music!

|1. [[14edo|14-EDO]] has frickin touch tone noises! Holy shit! Just play two 7-EDO chains a b9 apart and you'll hear it! It's also interesting for not having 5/4 or 6/5 in any real capacity, but having 11/9 and 9/7 and a passable 7/6. So if you think about the way a 14-EDO native listener would hear the harmonic series, instead of hearing the sequence of intervals like octave-fifth-fourth-major third-minor third-smaller minor third, they'd probably hear octave-fifth-fourth-large neutral third-small neutral third-large subminor third-small subminor third-etc. Note that they'd probably not use names like "neutral" and "subminor" though, since those are just our names for those things. It also has a really interesting version of hedgehog temperament which makes the 5:6 in 5:6:7 out to be a neutral third; this is great for categories and then when you move into hedgehog[8] in 22-EDO, the scalar structure remains intelligible despite the intonation shifting under it. A great tuning I also wish I knew more about.