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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">In [[11-limit]] [[Just Intonation]], 11/9 is a neutral third of about 347.4¢, falling in between "major third" and "minor third" territory. It is the simplest neutral third in just intonation, but of course, only one of many (others include [[16_13|16/13]], [[27_22|27/22]], [[49_40|49/40]] and [[60_49|60/49]]). It is nearly halfway between two intervals of [[12edo]], implying that it is both very xenharmonic and well-represented in [[24edo]].


In the 11-limit hexad 4:5:6:7:9:11, 11/9 appears between the harmonic 11th and the harmonic 9th. A triad can also be built with a 3/2 fifth and 11/9 third: this would be 18:22:27. This introduces a second neutral third, 27/22, which together make a perfect fifth. Many temperaments, including [[17edo]], [[24edo]] and [[31edo]], to name a few, conflate these two neutral thirds, allowing one neutral third interval to be stacked to generate a perfect fifth. 11/9 differs from 27/22 by 243/242, but also from 49/40 by 441/440 and 60/49 by 540/539, with varied consequences when one or more of them are tempered out. Tempering out all of them leads to the 11-limit rank three temperament [[Breed family#Jove, aka Wonder|jove]].
In [[11-limit]] [[just intonation]], '''11/9''' is a [[neutral third]] of about 347.4¢, falling in between "major third" and "minor third" territory. It is the simplest neutral third in just intonation, but it is only one of many, of which others include [[16/13]], [[27/22]], [[39/32]], [[49/40]] and [[60/49]]. As this is the smaller of the two [[11-limit]] neutral thirds obtained by modifying Pythagorean intervals by [[33/32]], it is dubbed the '''Alpharabian artoneutral third''' in [[Alpharabian tuning]]. Since it is nearly halfway between two intervals of [[12edo]], it implies that it is both very xenharmonic and well-represented in [[24edo]].  It is approximated even more closely in [[31edo]] and [[38edo]], where the slight flatness of the fifth creates two near perfect 11/9's when divided in half, making the neutral triad particularly stable sounding in these tunings.


See: [[Gallery of Just Intervals]]</pre></div>
In the 11-limit hexad 4:5:6:7:9:11, 11/9 appears between the 11th harmonic and the 9th harmonic. A triad can also be built with 3/2 and 11/9, and the chord formed is 18:22:27. This introduces a second neutral third, 27/22, which is the difference between 3/2 and 11/9. Many temperaments, including [[7edo]], [[10edo]], [[17edo]], [[24edo]], [[31edo]], [[41edo]], [[58edo]], [[Gamelismic clan#Miracle|miracle]], [[Breedsmic temperaments #Harry|harry]], and [[Schismatic family #Sesquiquartififths|sesquart]], conflate these two neutral thirds. The interval which represents both neutral thirds can then be stacked twice to generate a perfect fifth. 11/9 differs from 27/22 by [[243/242]], but also from 49/40 by [[441/440]] and 60/49 by [[540/539]], with varied consequences when one or more of them are tempered out. Tempering out all of these commas leads to the 11-limit rank three temperament [[Breed family #Jove, aka Wonder|jove]].
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== Approximation ==
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;11_9&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;In &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/11-limit"&gt;11-limit&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20Intonation"&gt;Just Intonation&lt;/a&gt;, 11/9 is a neutral third of about 347.4¢, falling in between &amp;quot;major third&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;minor third&amp;quot; territory. It is the simplest neutral third in just intonation, but of course, only one of many (others include &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/16_13"&gt;16/13&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/27_22"&gt;27/22&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/49_40"&gt;49/40&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/60_49"&gt;60/49&lt;/a&gt;). It is nearly halfway between two intervals of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo"&gt;12edo&lt;/a&gt;, implying that it is both very xenharmonic and well-represented in &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/24edo"&gt;24edo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
{{Interval edo approximation|11/9}}
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== See also ==
In the 11-limit hexad 4:5:6:7:9:11, 11/9 appears between the harmonic 11th and the harmonic 9th. A triad can also be built with a 3/2 fifth and 11/9 third: this would be 18:22:27. This introduces a second neutral third, 27/22, which together make a perfect fifth. Many temperaments, including &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/17edo"&gt;17edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/24edo"&gt;24edo&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo"&gt;31edo&lt;/a&gt;, to name a few, conflate these two neutral thirds, allowing one neutral third interval to be stacked to generate a perfect fifth. 11/9 differs from 27/22 by 243/242, but also from 49/40 by 441/440 and 60/49 by 540/539, with varied consequences when one or more of them are tempered out. Tempering out all of them leads to the 11-limit rank three temperament &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Breed%20family#Jove, aka Wonder"&gt;jove&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[7edo]]
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* [[24edo]]
See: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Gallery%20of%20Just%20Intervals"&gt;Gallery of Just Intervals&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
* [[18/11]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[27/22]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[12/11]] – its [[fourth complement]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[Iceface tuning]]
 
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