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The following is a tour of many of the [[regular temperament]]s that contributors to this wiki have found notable. It is of course not meant to be comprehensive, and is not the result of a systematic search.
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== Rank-2 temperaments ==
=Equal temperaments=
A rank-2 temperament maps all JI intervals within its [[JI subgroup]] to a 2-dimensional lattice. This lattice has two generators. The larger generator is called the period, as the temperament will repeat periodically at that interval. The period is usually the octave, or some unit fraction of the octave. If the period is a full octave, the temperament is said to be a '''linear temperament'''. The smaller generator, referred to as "the" generator, is stacked repeatedly to generate a scale within that period.


[[Equal Temperaments|Equal temperaments]] (abbreviated ET or tET) and equal divisions of the octave (abbreviated EDO) are similar concepts, although there are distinctions in the way these terms are used. An EDO is simply a division of the octave into equal steps (specifically, steps of equal size in cents). An ET, on the other hand, is a temperament, an altered representation of some subset of the intervals of just intonation. The familiar 12-note equal temperament (12-ET) reduces the size of the perfect fifth (about 701.955 cents) by 1/12 of the Pythagorean comma, resulting in a fifth of 700.0 cents.
A rank-2 temperament is defined by a period-generator mapping, a set of 2 vals, one val for the period and one for the generator. Each member of the JI subgroup is mapped to a period-generator pair.


=Rank 2 (including "linear") temperaments[[#lineartemperaments]]=
Rank-2 temperaments can be reduced to a related rank-1 temperament by tempering out an additional comma. For example, 5-limit meantone temperament, which is rank-2 (defined by tempering the syntonic comma 81/80 out of 3-dimensional 5-limit JI), can be reduced to 1-dimensional 12-ET by tempering out the Pythagorean comma.


[[Paul Erlich]] has given us a [[Catalog of five-limit rank two temperaments|catalog of 5-limit rank two temperaments]], and we also have a [[Proposed names for rank 2 temperaments|page]] listing higher limit temperaments.
=== Families defined by a 2.3 comma ===
These are families defined by a 3-limit (color name: wa) comma. If only primes 2 and 3 are part of the [[subgroup]], the comma creates a rank-1 temperament, an [[edo]]. But if another prime such as 5 is present, the comma creates a rank-2 temperament. Since edos are discussed elsewhere, this section assumes the presence of at least one additional prime. The rank-2 temperament created consists of multiple "copies" of an edo. The edo copies can be thought of as being offset from one another by a small comma. This small comma is represented in the [[pergen]] by ^1.  


As we go up from rank two, the various 5-limit temperaments often break up as families of related temperaments, depending on how higher primes are mapped (or equivalently, on which higher limit commas are introduced.) Members of families and their relationships can be classified by the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] of the various temperaments, where a **comma** is a small interval, not a square or cube or other power, which is tempered out by the temperament.
; Blackwood family (P8/5, ^1)
: This family tempers out the [[limma]], {{monzo| 8 -5 }} (256/243). It equates 5 fifths with 3 octaves, which creates multiple copies of [[5edo]]. The fifth is ~720¢, quite sharp. The only member of this family is the [[blackwood]] temperament, which is 5-limit. Blackwood's edo copies are offset from one another by 5/4, or alternatively by 81/80. 5/4 is usually tempered sharp, perhaps ~400¢, to match the sharp fifth. Its color name is Sawati.  


Meantone is a familar historical temperament based on a chain of fifths (or fourths), but it is only one of many possibilities for temperaments based on a chain of generating intervals. These are referred to as "rank 2" temperaments, since they are based on a set of two linearly independent intervals. One of these intervals (typically an octave or fraction of an octave) can be selected as the "period", and another interval, usually chosen to be smaller than the period, is referred to as the "generator".
; [[Whitewood family]] (P8/7, ^1)
: This family tempers out the apotome, {{monzo| -11 7 }} (2187/2048). It equates 7 fifths with 4 octaves, which creates multiple copies of [[7edo]]. The fifth is ~685¢, which is very flat. This family includes the [[whitewood]] temperament. Its color name is Lawati.  


===[[Meantone family]]===
; [[Compton family]] (P8/12, ^1)
The meantone family tempers out 81/80 and has a flattened fifth (or sharpened fourth) as generator. Four of these flattened fifths give the 5/1 interval. Some meantone tunings are [[12edo]], [[19edo]], [[31edo]], [[43edo]], [[50edo]], [[55edo]] and [[81edo]]. Aside from equal divisions of the octave, regular tunings include flattening by 1/3, 2/7, 1/4, 1/5 and 1/6 Didymas comma (the 81/80 interval.)
: This tempers out the [[Pythagorean comma]], {{monzo| -19 12 }} (531441/524288). It equates 12 fifths with 7 octaves, which creates multiple copies of [[12edo]]. Temperaments in this family include [[compton]] and [[catler]]. In the 5-limit compton temperament, the edo copies are offset from one another by a justly tuned 5/4, or alternatively by a tempered 81/80. Several 12edo instruments slightly detuned from each other provide an easy way to make music with these temperaments. Its color name is Lalawati.


===[[Schismatic family]]===
; [[Countercomp family]] (P8/41, ^1)
The schismatic family tempers out the schisma of 32805/32768, which is the amount by which the Pythagorean comma exceeds the Didymas comma (81/80), or alternatively put, the difference between a just major third and a just diminished fourth. The 5-limit version of the temperament is a [[Microtempering|microtemperament]] which flattens the fifth by a fraction of a schisma, but other members of the family are less accurate. As a 5-limit system, it is far more accurate than meantone but still with manageable complexity.
: This family tempers out the [[41-comma|Pythagorean countercomma]], {{monzo| 65 -41 }}, which creates multiple copies of [[41edo]]. Its color name is Wa-41.  


===[[Kleismic family]]===
; [[Mercator family]] (P8/53, ^1)
The kleismic family of temperaments tempers out the kleisma of 15625/15552 and has a slightly sharpened minor third as a generator. The kleismic family includes [[15edo]], [[19edo]], [[34edo]], [[49edo]], [[53edo]], [[72edo]], [[87edo]] and [[140edo]] among its possible tunings.
: This family tempers out the [[Mercator's comma]], {{monzo| -84 53 }}, which creates multiple copies of [[53edo]]. Its color name is Wa-53.  


===[[Magic family]]===  
=== Families defined by a 2.3.5 comma ===
The magic family tempers out 3125/3072, known as the magic comma or small diesis, has a generator which is a flattened major third.
These are families defined by a 5-limit (color name: ya) comma. As we go up in rank 2, the various 5-limit temperaments often break up as families of related temperaments, depending on how higher primes are mapped (or equivalently, on which higher limit commas are introduced.) The same comment applies to 7-limit temperaments and rank 3, etc. Members of families and their relationships can be classified by the [[normal lists|normal comma list]] of the various temperaments. Families include weak extensions as well as strong, in other words, the [[pergen]] shown here may change.


===[[Diaschismic family]]===
; [[Meantone family]] (P8, P5)
The diaschismic family tempers out 2048/2025, the diaschisma. It has a period of half an octave and a generator of a fifth, usually a sharpened one. Diaschismic tunings include [[12edo]], [[22edo]], [[34edo]], [[46edo]], [[56edo]], [[58edo]] and [[80edo]]. Using [[22edo]] as a tuning is associated with pajara temperament, where the intervals 50/49 and 64/63 are tempered out.
: The meantone family tempers out [[81/80]], also called the syntonic comma. This comma manifests as the difference between a stack of four 3/2's (81/16, or (3/2)<sup>4</sup>) and 5/1 harmonic (5/1, or 80/16). It is so named because it splits the major third into two equal sized tones, signifying that 9/8 and 10/9 are equated, with each tone being sized as a mean of the two tones. It has a flattened fifth or sharpened fourth as generator. Some meantone tunings are [[12edo|12-]], [[19edo|19-]], [[31edo|31-]], [[43edo|43-]], [[50edo|50-]], [[55edo|55-]] and [[81edo]]. Aside from tuning meantone as a subset of some equal division of the octave, some common rank-2 tunings include having a generator of 3/2 flattened by 1/3, 2/7, 1/4, 1/5 or 1/6 of the syntonic comma. Its color name is Guti.  


===[[Porcupine family]]===
; [[Schismatic family]] (P8, P5)
The porcupine family tempers out 250/243, known as the maximal diesis or porcupine comma. It has a generator of a minor whole tone (10/9), three of which make up a fourth.
: The schismatic family tempers out the schisma of {{monzo| -15 8 1 }} ([[32805/32768]]), which is the amount by which the Pythagorean comma exceeds the syntonic comma. The 5-limit version of the temperament is a [[microtemperament]] which flattens the fifth by a fraction of a schisma, but other members of the family are less accurate. As a 5-limit system, it is far more accurate than meantone but still with manageable complexity; whereas meantone equates four 3/2's with 5/1, schismatic equates eight 4/3's with 10/1, so that the Pythagorean diminished fourth of 8192/6561 is equated with 5/4. Tunings include [[12edo|12-]], [[29edo|29-]], [[41edo|41-]], [[53edo|53-]], and [[118edo]]. Its color name is Layoti.  


===[[Wuerschmidt family]]===
; [[Mavila family]] (P8, P5)
The wuerschmidt family tempers out Wuerschmidt's comma, 393216/390625 = |17 1 -8&gt;. Wuerschmidt itself has a generator of a major third, eight of which give a 6; that is, (5/4)^8 * (393216/390625) = 6. Both [[31edo]] and [[34edo]] can be used as wuerschmit tunings, as can [[65edo]], which is quite accurate.
: This tempers out the mavila comma, {{monzo| -7 3 1 }} ([[135/128]]), also known as the major chroma or major limma. These temperaments are notable for having 3/2's tuned so flat that four of them stacked together and octave reduced leads you to 6/5 instead of 5/4, and one consequence of this is that it generates [[2L 5s]] (antidiatonic) scales. 5/4 is equated to 3 fourths minus 1 octave. Septimal mavila and armodue are some of the most notable temperaments associated with the mavila comma. Tunings include [[9edo|9-]], [[16edo|16-]], [[23edo|23-]], and [[25edo]]. Its color name is Layobiti.  


===[[Augmented family]]===
; [[Father family]] (P8, P5)
The augmented family tempers out the diesis of 128/125, and so identifies the major third with 1/3 octave. Hence it has the same 400 cent thirds as [[12edo]], which is an excellent tuning for augmented.
: This tempers out [[16/15]], the just diatonic semitone, and equates 5/4 with 4/3. Its color name is Gubiti.  


===[[Dicot family]]===
; [[Diaschismic family]] (P8/2, P5)
The dicot family is a low-accuracy family of temperaments which temper out the chromatic semitone, 25/24, and hence identify major and minor thirds. [[7edo]] makes for a good dicot tuning.
: The diaschismic family tempers out the [[diaschisma]], {{monzo| 11 -4 -2 }} (2048/2025), such that two classic major thirds and a [[81/64|Pythagorean major third]] stack to an octave (i.e. {{nowrap| (5/4)⋅(5/4)⋅(81/64) → 2/1 }}). It has a half-octave period of an approximate 45/32 or 64/45, and its generator is an approximate 3/2. 5/4 is equated to 3 periods minus 2 fifths. The major second ~9/8 is divided in half, with each half equated to ~16/15. Diaschismic tunings include [[12edo|12-]], [[22edo|22-]], [[34edo|34-]], [[46edo|46-]], [[56edo|56-]], [[58edo|58-]] and [[80edo]]. Its color name is Saguguti. An obvious 7-limit interpretation of the period is 7/5, which makes [[pajara]] temperament, where the intervals 50/49 and 64/63 are tempered out. [[22edo]] is an excellent pajara tuning.


===[[Tetracot family]]===
; [[Bug family]] (P8, P4/2)
The tetracot family is a much higher accuracy affair than the dicot family. Instead of taking two neutral thirds to reach 3/2, it takes four minor (10/9) whole tones. Four of these exceed 3/2 by 20000/19683, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma.
: This low-accuracy family of temperaments tempers out [[27/25]], the large limma or bug comma. The generator is an approximate 6/5 or {{nowrap| 10/9 {{=}} ~250{{c}} }}, two of which make ~4/3. 5/4 is equated to 1 octave minus 3 generators. Its color name is Guguti. An obvious 7-limit interpretation of the generator is 7/6~8/7, which leads to semaphore or Zozoti.


===[[Semicomma family|Orwell and the semicomma family]]===
; [[Immunity family]] (P8, P4/2)
The semicomma 2109375/2097152 = |-21 3 7&gt; is tempered out by the members of the semicomma family. It doesn't have much independent existence as a 5-limit temperament, since its generator has a natural interpretation as 7/6, leading to orwell temperament.
: This tempers out the immunity comma, {{monzo| 16 -13 2 }} (1638400/1594323). Its generator is {{nowrap| ~729/640 {{=}} ~247{{c}} }}, two of which make ~4/3. 5/4 is equated to 3 octaves minus 13 generators. Its color name is Sasa-yoyoti. An obvious 7-limit interpretation of the generator is 7/6~8/7, which leads to semaphore or Zozoti.


===[[Pythagorean family]]===
; [[Dicot family]] (P8, P5/2)
The Pythagorean family tempers out the Pythagorean comma, |-19 12 0&gt;. Since this is a 3-limit comma, it is also a 5-limit comma and can stand as parent to a 7-limit or higher family, in this case containing compton temperament and catler temperament.
: The dicot family is a low-accuracy family of temperaments which temper out the chromatic semitone, [[25/24]] (the difference between 5/4 and 6/5, or alternatively the difference between two 5/4's and 3/2 or between two 6/5's and 3/2). This temperament hence equates major and minor thirds, evening them out into a neutral-sized third of ~350¢ that is taken to approximate both. [[7edo]] makes for a "good" dicot tuning, although it is questionable whether this temperament bears any actual resemblance to 5-limit harmony. Two of the neutral dicot thirds span a 3/2. Tunings include 7edo, [[10edo]], and [[17edo]]. Its color name is Yoyoti. An obvious 2.3.11 interpretation of the generator is ~11/9, which leads to neutral or Luluti.


===[[Sycamore family]]===
; [[Augmented family]] (P8/3, P5)
The sycamore family tempers out the sycamore comma, |-16 -6 11&gt; = 48838125/47775744, which is the amount by which five stacked chromatic semitones, 25/24, exceed 6/5, and hence also the amount six exceeds 5/4.  
: The augmented family tempers out the diesis of {{monzo| 7 0 -3 }} ([[128/125]]), the difference between three 5/4 major thirds and a 2/1 octave, and so identifies the major third with the third-octave. Hence it has the same 400-cent 5/4-approximations as [[12edo]], which is an excellent tuning for augmented. It is the temperament that results in what is commonly called the "augmented scale" ([[3L 3s]]) in common 12edo-based music theory, as well as what is commonly called "[http://www.tcherepnin.com/alex/basic_elem1.htm#9step Tcherepnin's scale]" ([[3L 6s]]). Its color name is Triguti.  


===[[Gamelismic clan]]===
; [[Misty family]] (P8/3, P5)
If a 5-limit comma defines a family of rank two temperaments, then we might say a comma belonging to another [[Just intonation subgroups|subgroup]] of the 7-limit can define a clan. In particular we might say a triprime comma (one with exactly three primes in the factorization) can define a clan. Notable among such clans are the temperaments which temper out the gamelisma, 1029/1024. We can modify the definition of [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] for clans by changing the ordering of prime numbers, and using this to sort out clan relationships.
: The misty family tempers out the [[misty comma]] of {{monzo| 26 -12 -3 }}, the difference between the [[Pythagorean comma]] and a stack of three [[schisma]]s. The period is ~512/405 and the generator is ~3/2 (or alternatively ~135/128). 5/4 is equated to 8 periods minus 4 fifths, thus 5/4 is split into 4 equal parts, each 2 periods minus a fifth. Its color name is Sasa-triguti.  


Particularly noteworthy as member of the gamelismic clan is miracle, but other members include valentine, unidec, mothra, rodan, and hemithirds.
; [[Porcupine family]] (P8, P4/3)
: The porcupine family tempers out {{monzo| 1 -5 3 }} ([[250/243]]), the difference between three 10/9's (1000/729) and 4/3, known as the maximal diesis or porcupine comma. It subdivides the fourth into three equal parts, each taken as an approximated 10/9, of which two approximate 6/5. It also manifests itself as the difference between three 6/5's and 16/9, as the difference between 10/9 and 27/25, and as the difference between 81/80 and 25/24. 5/4 is equated to 1 octave minus 5 generators. Some porcupine temperaments include [[15edo|15-]], [[22edo|22-]], [[37edo|37-]], and [[59edo]]. Its color name is Triyoti. An important 7-limit extension also tempers out 64/63.


Miracle temperament divides the fifth into 6 equal steps. A 21-note scale called "blackjack" and a 31-note scale called "canasta" have some useful properties. It's the most efficient 11-limit temperament for many purposes with a tuning close to 72-EDO.
; [[Alphatricot family]] (P8, P11/3)
: The alphatricot family tempers out the [[alphatricot comma]], {{monzo| 39 -29 3 }}. The generator is {{nowrap| ~59049/40960 ({{monzo| -13 10 -1 }}) {{=}} 633{{c}} }}, or its octave inverse {{nowrap| ~81920/59049 {{=}} 567{{c}} }}. Three of the former generators equals the third harmonic, ~3/1. 5/4 is equated to 29 of these generators octave-reduced. Its color name is Quadsa-triyoti. An obvious 7-limit interpretation of the generator is {{nowrap| 81/56 {{=}} 639{{c}} }}, a much simpler ratio which leads to the [[Tour of Regular Temperaments #Latriruti clan (P8, P11/3)|Latriruti clan]]. An obvious 13-limit interpretation is {{nowrap| 13/9 {{=}} 637¢ }}, an even simpler ratio implying the [[Tour of Regular Temperaments #Satrithoti clan (P8, P11/3)|Satrithoti clan]].


===[[Starling temperaments]]===
; [[Diminished family]] (P8/4, P5)
Not a family or clan, but related by the fact that 126/125, the septimal semicomma or starling comma is tempered out, are myna, sensi, valentine, casablanca and nusecond temperaments, not to mention meantone, keemun, muggles and opossum.
: The diminished family tempers out the major diesis or diminished comma, {{monzo| 3 4 -4 }} or [[648/625]], the amount by which four 6/5 minor thirds exceed an octave, and so identifies the minor third with the quarter-octave. Hence it has the same 300-cent 6/5-approximations as [[12edo]]. 5/4 is equated to 1 fifth minus 1 period. Its color name is Quadguti.  


===[[Breedsmic temperaments]]===
; [[Undim family]] (P8/4, P5)
A breedsmic temperament is one which tempers out the breedsma, 2401/2400. Some which do not get discussed elsewhere are collected on a page [[Breedsmic temperaments|here]].
: The undim family tempers out the [[undim comma]] of {{monzo| 41 -20 -4 }}, the difference between the Pythagorean comma and a stack of four schismas. Its color name is Trisa-quadguti.  


===[[Ragismic microtemperaments]]===
; Negri family (P8, P4/4)
A ragismic temperament is one which tempers out 4375/4374. These are not by any means all microtemperaments, but those which are not highly accurate are probably best discussed under another heading. Accurate ones include ennealimmal, supermajor, enneadecal, amity, mitonic, parakleismic, gamera and vishnu. Pontiac belongs on the list but falls under the schismatic family rubric.
: This tempers out the [[negri comma]], {{monzo| -14 3 4 }}. Its only member so far is [[negri]]. Its generator is ~16/15, four of which make ~4/3. 5/4 is equated to 3 generators. Its color name is Laquadyoti.  


===[[Turkish maqam music temperaments]]===
; [[Tetracot family]] (P8, P5/4)
: The tetracot family is a much higher accuracy affair than the dicot family. Instead of taking two neutral thirds to reach 3/2, it takes four minor (10/9) whole tones. Four of these exceed 3/2 by {{monzo| 5 -9 4 }} (20000/19683), the minimal diesis or [[tetracot comma]]. 5/4 is equated to 9 generators minus an octave. [[7edo]] can also be considered a tetracot tuning, as can [[20edo]], [[27edo]], [[34edo]], and [[41edo]]. Its color name is Saquadyoti.


Vsrious theoretical solutions have been put forward for the vexing problem of how to indicate and define the tuning of Turkish [[Arabic, Turkish, Persian|maqam music]] in a systematic way. This includes, in effect, certain linear temperaments.
; [[Smate family]] (P8, P11/4)
: This tempers out the [[symbolic comma]], {{monzo| 11 -1 -4 }} (2048/1875). Its generator is {{nowrap| ~5/4 {{=}} ~421{{c}} }}, four of which make ~8/3. Its color name is Saquadguti.  


=Rank 3 temperaments=
; [[Vulture family]] (P8, P12/4)
: This tempers out the [[vulture comma]], {{monzo| 24 -21 4 }}. Its generator is {{nowrap| ~320/243 {{=}} ~475{{c}} }}, four of which make ~3/1. 5/4 is equated to 21 generators minus 8 octaves. Its color name is Sasa-quadyoti. An obvious 7-limit interpretation of the generator is 21/16, which makes buzzard or Saquadruti.


Even less familiar than rank 2 temperaments are the [[Planar Temperament|rank 3 temperaments]], based on a set of three intervals. Since these temperaments may be mapped in many different ways, it is more common to identify rank 3 temperaments by the commas they temper out.
; [[Quintile family]] (P8/5, P5)
: This tempers out the [[quintile comma]], 847288609443/838860800000 ({{monzo| -28 25 -5 }}). The period is ~59049/51200, and 5 periods make an octave. The generator is a fifth, or equivalently, 3/5 of an octave minus a fifth. This alternate generator is only about 18{{c}}, thus the scales have a very lopsided L/s ratio. 5/4 is equated to 2/5 of an octave minus 5 of these 18{{c}} generators. Its color name is Trila-quinguti. An obvious 7-limit interpretation of the generator is 8/7, which leads to Laquinzoti.


===[[Marvel family]]===
; [[Ripple family]] (P8, P4/5)
The head of the marvel family is marvel, which tempers out 225/224. It has a number of 11-limit children, including unidecimal marvel, prodigy, minerva and spectacle.
: This tempers out the [[ripple comma]], 6561/6250 ({{monzo| -1 8 -5 }}), which equates a stack of four [[10/9]]'s with [[8/5]], and five of them with [[16/9]]. The generator is [[27/25]], two of which equals 10/9, three of which equals [[6/5]], and five of which equals [[4/3]]. 5/4 is equated to an octave minus 8 generators. As one might expect, [[12edo]] is about as accurate as it can be. Its color name is Quinguti.  


===Starling[[#starling]]===
; [[Passion family]] (P8, P4/5)
Starling tempers out 126/125, and like marvel it has the same generators as the 5-limit. An excellent tuning for starling is [[77edo]], but 31, 46 or 58 also work nicely.
: This tempers out the [[passion comma]], 262144/253125 ({{monzo| 18 -4 -5 }}), which equates a stack of four [[16/15]]'s with [[5/4]], and five of them with [[4/3]]. Its color name is Saquinguti.  


==Breed[[#breed]]==
; [[Quintaleap family]] (P8, P4/5)
Breed is a 7-limit microtemperament which tempers out 2401/2400. While it is so accurate it hardly matters what is used to temper it, or whether it is even tempered at all, 2578et will certainly do the trick. Breed has generators of a 49/40 neutral third, and 10/7.
: This tempers out the [[quintaleap comma]], {{monzo| 37 -16 -5 }}. The generator is ~135/128, five of them gives ~4/3, and sixteen of them gives [[5/2]]. Its color name is Trisa-quinguti. An obvious 17-limit interpretation of the generator is ~18/17, which makes Saquinsoti.


===Jove, aka Wonder[[#wonder]]===
; [[Quindromeda family]] (P8, P4/5)
Jove, formerly known as wonder, tempers out 243/242 and 441/440. Wonder has been depreciated as a name due to conflict with another temperament also given that name. Jove converts breed into an 11-limit temperament via 441/440, which equates 49/40 with 11/9, and 243/242, which tells us 11/9 can serve as a neutral third. While jove is no longer a super-accurate microtemperament like breed, it has the advantage of adjusting its tuning to deal with the 11-limit. 72 and 130 are good edos for jove, and if that doesn't suit there's 476edo.
: This tempers out the [[quindromeda comma]], {{monzo| 56 -28 -5 }}. The generator is ~4428675/4194304, five of them gives ~4/3, and 28 of them gives the fifth harmonic, [[5/1]]. Its color name is Quinsa-quinguti. An obvious 17-limit interpretation of the generator is ~18/17, which makes Saquinsoti.


===[[Gamelismic family]]===
; [[Amity family]] (P8, P11/5)
Not to be confused with the gamelismic clan of rank two temperaments, the gamelismic family are those rank three temperaments which temper out the gamelisma, 1029/1024.  
: This tempers out the [[amity comma]], 1600000/1594323 ({{monzo| 9 -13 5 }}). The generator is {{nowrap| 243/200 {{=}} ~339.5{{c}} }}, five of which make ~8/3. 5/4 is equated to 4 octaves minus 13 generators, or 2 fifths minus 3 generators. Its color name is Saquinyoti. An obvious 11-limit interpretation of the generator is 11/9, which makes Saquinloti. An obvious 13-limit interpretation of the generator is 39/32, which makes Lala-quinthoti.


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; [[Magic family]] (P8, P12/5)
== Links ==
: The magic family tempers out {{monzo| -10 -1 5 }} (3125/3072), known as the [[magic comma]] or small diesis, which is the difference between five 5/4's (3125/2048) and a 3/1. The generator is itself an approximate 5/4. The magic family includes [[16edo|16-]], [[19edo|19-]], [[22edo|22-]], [[25edo|25-]], and [[41edo]] among its possible tunings, with the last being near-optimal. Its color name is Laquinyoti.
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; [[Fifive family]] (P8/2, P5/5)
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: This tempers out the [[fifive comma]], {{monzo| -1 -14 10 }} (9765625/9565938). The period is ~4374/3125 ({{monzo| 1 7 -5 }}), two of which make an octave. The generator is ~27/25, five of which make ~3/2. 5/4 is equated to 7 generators minus 1 period. Its color name is Saquinbiyoti.
 
; [[Quintosec family]] (P8/5, P5/2)
: This tempers out the [[quintosec comma]], 140737488355328/140126044921875 ({{monzo| 47 -15 -10 }}). The period is ~524288/455625 ({{monzo| 19 -6 -4 }}), five of which equals an octave. The generator is ~16/15. A period plus a generator makes half a fifth. 5/4 is equated to 3 periods minus 3 generators. Its color name is Quadsa-quinbiguti. An obvious 7-limit interpretation of the period is 8/7.
 
; [[Trisedodge family]] (P8/5, P4/3)
: This tempers out the [[trisedodge comma]], 30958682112/30517578125 ({{monzo| 19 10 -15 }}). The period is {{nowrap| ~144/125 {{=}} 240{{c}} }}. The generator is ~6/5. Six periods minus three generators equals ~4/3. 5/4 is equated to 2 generators minus 1 period. Its color name is Saquintriguti. An obvious 7-limit interpretation of the period is 8/7.
 
; Ampersand family (P8, P5/6)
: This tempers out the [[ampersand comma]], 34171875/33554432 ({{monzo| -25 7 6 }}). Its only member is [[ampersand]]. The generator is ~16/15, of which six make ~3/2. 5/4 is equated to 1 octave minus 7 generators. Its color name is Lala-tribiyoti. If the generator is also equated to ~15/14, and three generators to ~11/9, one gets the [[miracle]] temperament.
 
; [[Kleismic