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16edo's step size is sometimes called an '''eka''', a term proposed by [[Luca Attanasio]], from Sanskrit [[wikt:%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%95#Sanskrit|एक]] (''éka'', "one", "unit"),<ref>[http://www.armodue.com/risorse.htm Armodue: le risorse di un nuovo sistema musicale]</ref> when used as an [[interval size unit]], especially in the context of [[Armodue]] theory. | 16edo's step size is sometimes called an '''eka''', a term proposed by [[Luca Attanasio]], from Sanskrit [[wikt:%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%95#Sanskrit|एक]] (''éka'', "one", "unit"),<ref>[http://www.armodue.com/risorse.htm Armodue: le risorse di un nuovo sistema musicale]</ref> when used as an [[interval size unit]], especially in the context of [[Armodue]] theory. | ||
== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
16edo is | The [[3/2|perfect fifth]] of 16edo is 27 cents flat of 3/2, flatter than that of [[7edo]] so that it generates an [[2L 5s|antidiatonic]] instead of [[5L 2s|diatonic]] scale, but sharper than [[9edo]]'s fifth, to which it similarly retains the characteristic of being a fifth while being distinctly flat of 3/2. If the fifth is interpreted as 3/2, this befits a tuning of [[mavila]], the [[5-limit]] [[regular temperament|temperament]] that [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[135/128]], such that a stack of four fifths gives a [[6/5]] minor third instead of the familiar [[5/4]] major third as in [[meantone]]. A more accurate restriction is [[mabilic]], which discards the inaccurate mapping of 3 while keeping the fifth as a generator. | ||
Four steps of 16edo gives the 300{{c}} minor third interval shared by [[12edo]] (and other multiples of [[4edo]]), and thus the familiar [[diminished seventh chord]] may be built on any scale step with | This leads to some confusion in regards to interval names, as what would be major in diatonic now sounds minor; there are several ways to handle this (see in [[#Intervals]]). | ||
In general, 16edo tends to better approximate the differences between odd [[harmonic]]s than odd harmonics themselves, though it has a [[5/1|5th harmonic]] which is only 11 cents flat, and a [[7/1|7th harmonic]] which is only 6 cents sharp. As such, 16edo can be seen as an approach to tuning that takes advantage of the idea that simpler ratios can be functionally approximated with greater error (i.e. a 3/2 that's 25 cents flat is still recognizable, but a 5/4 that's 25 cents flat loses much of its identity and a 7/4 that's 25 cents flat is completely unrecognizable). In essence, 16edo's 3, 5, and 7 are backwards from 12edo's, with 7 being nearly perfect, 5 being decent, and 3 being distinctly out-of-tune. | |||
In terms of higher primes, both 11 and 13 are approximated very flat, with the [[11/8]] not distinguished from [[4/3]], and [[13/8]] not distinguished from [[8/5]]. 16edo represents the no-9 no-15 [[25-odd-limit]] [[consistent]]ly, however. | |||
Four steps of 16edo gives the 300{{c}} minor third interval shared by [[12edo]] (and other multiples of [[4edo]]), which approximates [[6/5]], and thus tempers out 648/625, the [[diminished comma]]. This means that the familiar [[diminished seventh chord]] may be built on any scale step with four unique tetrads up to [[octave equivalence]]. The minor third is of course not distinguished from the septimal subminor third, [[7/6]], so [[36/35]] and moreover [[50/49]] are tempered out, making 16edo a possible tuning for [[diminished (temperament)|septimal diminished]]. Another possible interpretation for this interval is the 19th harmonic, [[19/16]]. | |||
16edo shares several similarities with 15edo. They both share mappings of [[8/7]], [[5/4]], and [[3/2]] in terms of edosteps – in fact, they are both [[valentine]] tunings, and thus [[slendric]] tunings. 16edo and 15edo also both have three types of seconds and two types of thirds (not including arto/tendo thirds). However, 15edo's fifth is sharp while 16's is flat. | |||
16edo works as a tuning for [[extraclassical tonality]], due to its ultramajor third of 450 cents. | |||
=== Odd harmonics === | === Odd harmonics === | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|16}} | {{Harmonics in equal|16}} | ||
=== Octave stretch === | |||
Having a flat tendency, 16et is best tuned with [[stretched octave]]s, which improve the accuracy of wide-voiced JI chords and [[rooted]] harmonics especially on inharmonic timbres such as bells and gamelans, with [[25edt]], [[41ed6]], and [[57ed12]] being good options. | |||
=== Subsets and supersets === | === Subsets and supersets === | ||
Since 16 factors into primes as 2<sup>4</sup>, 16edo has subset edos {{EDOs| 2, 4, and 8 }}. | Since 16 factors into primes as 2<sup>4</sup>, 16edo has subset edos {{EDOs| 2, 4, and 8 }}. | ||
=== Composition theory === | |||
* [[User:VectorGraphics/16edo theory|Vector's approach]] | |||
* [[Armodue harmony]] | |||
{{Todo|inline=1| expand }} | |||
== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
{{Mavila}} | |||
Alternatively, one can use Armodue nine-nominal notation. | |||
Alternatively, one can use Armodue nine-nominal notation | |||
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! rowspan="2" | [[Cent]]s | ! rowspan="2" | [[Cent]]s | ||
! rowspan="2" | Approximate<br> | ! rowspan="2" | Approximate<br>ratios* | ||
! colspan="6" | Names | ! colspan="6" | Names | ||
|- | |- | ||
! colspan="2" | | ! colspan="2" | Antidiatonic | ||
! colspan="2" | | ! colspan="2" | Diatonic | ||
! Just | ! Just | ||
! Simplified | ! Simplified | ||
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16edo notation can be easy utilizing [[Goldsmith's Circle]] of keys, nominals, and respective notation{{clarify}}. The nominals for a 6 line staff can be switched for [[Erv Wilson]]'s Beta and Epsilon additions to A–G. The Armodue model uses a 4-line staff for 16edo. | 16edo notation can be easy utilizing [[Goldsmith's Circle]] of keys, nominals, and respective notation{{clarify}}. The nominals for a 6 line staff can be switched for [[Erv Wilson]]'s Beta and Epsilon additions to A–G. The Armodue model uses a 4-line staff for 16edo. | ||
Mos scales like Mavila[7] (or "inverse/anti-diatonic" which reverses step sizes of diatonic from LLsLLLs to ssLsssL in the heptatonic variation) can work as an alternative to the traditional diatonic scale, while maintaining conventional A–G ♯/♭ notation as described above. Alternatively, one can utilize the Mavila[9] mos, for a sort of "hyper-diatonic" scale of 7 large steps and 2 small steps. [[Armodue theory|Armodue notation]] of 16edo "Mavila[9] Staff" does just this, and places the arrangement (222122221) on nine white "natural" keys of the 16edo keyboard. If the 9-note (enneatonic) mos is adopted as a notational basis for 16edo, then we need an entirely different set of interval classes than any of the heptatonic classes described above; perhaps it even makes sense to refer to the octave ([[2/1]]) as the "[[decave]]". | Mos scales like Mavila[7] (or "inverse/anti-diatonic" which reverses step sizes of diatonic from LLsLLLs to ssLsssL in the heptatonic variation) can work as an alternative to the traditional diatonic scale, while maintaining conventional A–G ♯/♭ notation as described above. Alternatively, one can utilize the Mavila[9] mos, for a sort of "hyper-diatonic" scale of 7 large steps and 2 small steps. [[Armodue theory|Armodue notation]] of 16edo "Mavila[9] Staff" does just this, and places the arrangement (222122221) on nine white "natural" keys of the 16edo keyboard. If the 9-note (enneatonic) mos is adopted as a notational basis for 16edo, then we need an entirely different set of interval classes than any of the heptatonic classes described above; perhaps it even makes sense to refer to the octave ([[2/1]]) as the "[[decave]]". This is identical to the KISS notation for this scale when using numbers. | ||
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[http://www.armodue.com/ricerche.htm Armodue]: Pierpaolo Beretta's website for his Armodue theory for 16edo (esadekaphonic), including compositions. | [http://www.armodue.com/ricerche.htm Armodue]: Pierpaolo Beretta's website for his Armodue theory for 16edo (esadekaphonic), including compositions. | ||
For | For resources on the Armodue theory, see the [[Armodue]] on this wiki | ||
== Chord names == | == Chord names == | ||
16edo chords can be named using ups and downs. Using | 16edo chords can be named using ups and downs. Using diatonic interval names, chord names bear little relationship to the sound: a minor chord (spelled {{dash|A, C, E|med}}) sounds like [[4:5:6]], the classical major triad, and a major chord (spelled {{dash|C, E, G|med}}) sounds like [[10:12:15]], a classical minor triad! Instead, using antidiatonic names, the chord names will match the sound—but finding the name from the spelling follows the rules of antidiatonic rather than diatonic interval arithmetic. | ||
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! colspan="6" | Name | ! colspan="6" | Name | ||
|- | |- | ||
! colspan="3" | | ! colspan="3" | Diatonic | ||
! colspan="3" | | ! colspan="3" | Antidiatonic | ||
|- | |- | ||
| {{dash|0, 5, 9|med}} | | {{dash|0, 5, 9|med}} | ||
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Alterations are always enclosed in parentheses, additions never are. An up or down immediately after the chord root affects the 3rd, 6th, 7th, and/or the 11th (every other note of a stacked-3rds chord {{dash|6, 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13}}). See [[Ups and downs notation #Chords and chord progressions]] for more examples. | Alterations are always enclosed in parentheses, additions never are. An up or down immediately after the chord root affects the 3rd, 6th, 7th, and/or the 11th (every other note of a stacked-3rds chord {{dash|6, 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13}}). See [[Ups and downs notation #Chords and chord progressions]] for more examples. | ||
Using | Using antidiatonic names, if you're used to diatonic interval arithmetic, you can do antidiatonic interval arithmetic by following the simple guideline that qualities are '''reversed''' from standard diatonic. As in, just as adding two major seconds gives you a major third in 12edo, adding two minor seconds gives a minor third in 16edo. | ||
That is, reversing means exchanging major for minor, aug for dim, and sharp for flat. Perfect and natural are unaffected. | |||
Examples can be found at the bottom of the page. | |||
== Approximation to JI == | == Approximation to JI == | ||
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{{Q-odd-limit intervals|16}} | {{Q-odd-limit intervals|16}} | ||
It's worth noting that the 525 | It's worth noting that the 525{{c}} interval is almost exactly halfway in between 4/3 and 11/8, making it very discordant, although playing this in the context of a larger chord, and with specialized timbres, can make this less noticeable. | ||
[[File:16ed2-001.svg|alt=alt : Your browser has no SVG support.]] | [[File:16ed2-001.svg|alt=alt : Your browser has no SVG support.]] | ||
[[:File:16ed2-001.svg|16ed2-001.svg]] | [[:File:16ed2-001.svg|16ed2-001.svg]] | ||
== Octave theory == | == Octave theory == | ||
The scale supports the diminished temperament with its 1/4 octave period, though its generator size, equal to its step size of 75 | The scale supports the diminished temperament with its 1/4 octave period, though its generator size, equal to its step size of 75{{c}}, is smaller than ideal. Its very flat 3/2 of 675{{c}} [[support]]s Mavila temperament, where the mapping of major and minor is reversed. The temperament could be popular for its 150{{c}} "3/4-tone" equal division of the traditional 300{{c}} minor third. | ||
16edo is also a tuning for the [[Jubilismic clan|no-threes 7-limit temperament tempering out 50/49]]. This has a period of a half-octave ( | 16edo is also a tuning for the [[Jubilismic clan|no-threes 7-limit temperament tempering out 50/49]]. This has a period of a half-octave (600{{c}}), and a generator of a flat septimal major 2nd, for which 16edo uses 3\16. For this, there are mos scales of sizes 4, 6, and 10; extending this temperament to the full 7-limit can produce either Lemba or Astrology (16edo supports both, but is not a very accurate tuning of either). | ||
16edo is also a tuning for the no-threes 7-limit temperament tempering out [http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/uv.cgi?uvs=%5B-19%2C7%2C1%3E&limit=2_5_7 546875:524288], which has a flat major third as generator, for which 16-EDO provides 5\16 octaves. For this, there are MOS of sizes 7, 10, and 13; these are shown below under "'''Magic family of scales'''". | 16edo is also a tuning for the no-threes 7-limit temperament tempering out [http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/uv.cgi?uvs=%5B-19%2C7%2C1%3E&limit=2_5_7 546875:524288], which has a flat major third as generator, for which 16-EDO provides 5\16 octaves. For this, there are MOS of sizes 7, 10, and 13; these are shown below under "'''Magic family of scales'''". | ||
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"''16 notes: This tuning is best thought of as a combination of four intertwined diminished seventh chords. Since 12-note tuning can be regarded as a combination of three diminished seventh chords, it is plain that the two tunings have elements in common. The most obvious difference in the way the two tunings sound and work is that triads in 16-note tuning, although recognizable, are too discordant to serve as the final harmony in cadences. Keys can still be established by successions of altered subdominant and dominant harmonies, however, and the Etude is based mainly upon this property. The fundamental consonant harmony employed is a minor triad with an added minor seventh.''" | "''16 notes: This tuning is best thought of as a combination of four intertwined diminished seventh chords. Since 12-note tuning can be regarded as a combination of three diminished seventh chords, it is plain that the two tunings have elements in common. The most obvious difference in the way the two tunings sound and work is that triads in 16-note tuning, although recognizable, are too discordant to serve as the final harmony in cadences. Keys can still be established by successions of altered subdominant and dominant harmonies, however, and the Etude is based mainly upon this property. The fundamental consonant harmony employed is a minor triad with an added minor seventh.''" | ||
From a harmonic series perspective, if we take 13\16 as a 7/4 ratio approximation, sharp by 6.174 | From a harmonic series perspective, if we take 13\16 as a 7/4 ratio approximation, sharp by 6.174{{c}}, and take the 300{{c}} minor third as an approximation of the harmonic 19th ([[19/16]], approximately 297.5{{c}}), that can combine with the approximation of the harmonic seventh to form a 16:19:28 triad . | ||
The interval between the 28th & 19th harmonics, 28:19, measures approximately 671.3 | The interval between the 28th & 19th harmonics, 28:19, measures approximately 671.3{{c}}, which is 3.7{{c}} away from 16edo's "narrow fifth". Another voicing for this chord is 14:16:19, which features 19:14 as the outer interval (528.7{{c}} just, 525.0{{c}} in 16edo). A perhaps more consonant open voicing is 7:16:19 | ||
== Regular temperament properties == | == Regular temperament properties == | ||
=== Uniform maps === | === Uniform maps === | ||
{{Uniform map| | {{Uniform map|edo=16}} | ||
=== Commas === | === Commas === | ||
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* [[magic]] anti-diatonic 3L4s 1414141 (5\16, 1\1) | * [[magic]] anti-diatonic 3L4s 1414141 (5\16, 1\1) | ||
* [[magic]] superdiatonic 3L7s 1311311311 (5\16, 1\1) | * [[magic]] superdiatonic 3L7s 1311311311 (5\16, 1\1) | ||
* | * [[magic]] chromatic 11121121112 3L10s (5\16, 1\1) | ||
* [[mavila]] anti-diatonic 2L5s 2223223 (9\16, 1\1) | * [[mavila]] anti-diatonic 2L5s 2223223 (9\16, 1\1) | ||
* [[mavila]] superdiatonic 7L2s 222212221 (9\16, 1\1) | * [[mavila]] superdiatonic 7L2s 222212221 (9\16, 1\1) | ||
* [[gorgo]] 5L1s 333331 (3\16, 1\1) | * [[gorgo]] 5L1s 333331 (3\16, 1\1) | ||
* [[lemba]] 4L2s 332332 (3\16, 1\2) | * [[lemba]] 4L2s 332332 (3\16, 1\2) | ||
'''Mavila''' | '''Mavila''' | ||
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== Metallic harmony == | == Metallic harmony == | ||
In 16edo, triadic harmony can be based on on heptatonic sevenths (or seconds) rather than thirds. For instance, 16edo approximates 7/4 well enough to use | |||
it in place of the usual 3/2, and in Mavila[7] this 7/4 approximation shares an interval class with a well-approximated 11/6 (at 1050{{c}}). Stacking these two intervals reaches 2025{{c}}, or a minor 6th plus an octave. Thus the out-of-tune 675{{c}} interval is bypassed, and all the dyads in the triad are consonant. | |||
Depending on whether the Mavila[7] major 7th or minor 7th is used, one of two triads is produced: a small one, {{nowrap|{{dash|0, 975, 2025{{c}}}}}}, and a large one, {{nowrap|{{dash|0, 1050, 2025{{c}}}}}}. William Lynch, a major proponent of this style of harmony, calls these two triads "hard" and "soft", respectively. In addition, two other "symmetrical" triads are also obvious possible chords: a narrow symmetrical triad at {{nowrap|{{dash|0, 975, 1950{{c}}}}}}, and a wide symmetrical triad at {{nowrap|{{dash|0, 1050, 2100{{c}}}}}}. These are sort of analogous to "diminished" and "augmented" triads. The characteristic buzzy/metallic sound of these seventh-based triads inspired William Lynch to call them "Metallic triads". | |||
Depending on whether the Mavila[7] major 7th or minor 7th is used, one of two triads is produced: a small one, 0 | |||
=== MOS scales supporting metallic harmony in 16edo === | === MOS scales supporting metallic harmony in 16edo === | ||
The ssLsssL mode of Mavila[7] contains two hard triads on degrees 1 and 4 and two soft triads on degrees 2 and 6. The other three chords are wide symmetrical triads 0-1050- | The ssLsssL mode of Mavila[7] contains two hard triads on degrees 1 and 4 and two soft triads on degrees 2 and 6. The other three chords are wide symmetrical triads 0-1050-2025{{c}}. In Mavila[9], hard and soft triads cease to share a triad class, as 975{{c}} is a major 8th, while 1050{{c}} is a minor 9th; the triads may still be used, but parallel harmonic motion will function differently. | ||
Another possible MOS scales for this approach would be Lemba[6], which gives two each of the soft, hard, and narrow symmetric triads. | Another possible MOS scales for this approach would be Lemba[6], which gives two each of the soft, hard, and narrow symmetric triads. | ||
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'''16-tone piano layout based on the mavila[7]/antidiatonic scale''' | '''16-tone piano layout based on the mavila[7]/antidiatonic scale''' | ||
This Layout places mavila[7] on the black keys and mavila[9] on the white keys | This Layout places mavila[7] on the black keys and mavila[9] on the white keys, according to antidiatonic notation. | ||
[[File:16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png|alt=16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png|748x293px|16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png]] | [[File:16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png|alt=16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png|748x293px|16-EDO-PIano-Diagram.png]] | ||
''' | '''Interleaved edos''' | ||
A visualization of 16edo being two interleaved copies of [[8edo]] and four interleaved copies of [[4edo]]. | |||
[[File:16edo_wheel_01.png|alt=16edo wheel 01.png|325x325px|16edo wheel 01.png]] | [[File:16edo_wheel_01.png|alt=16edo wheel 01.png|325x325px|16edo wheel 01.png]] | ||
=== Lumatone mapping === | |||
See: [[Lumatone mapping for 16edo]] | See: [[Lumatone mapping for 16edo]] | ||
== Interval arithmetic examples == | |||
These examples show the correspondence between interval arithmetic using diatonic and antidiatonic notation. | |||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;" | |||
! colspan="2" |Diatonic (i.e. 12edo) | |||
! colspan="2" |Antidiatonic (i.e. 16edo) | |||
|- | |||
! Question | |||
! Result | |||
! Question | |||
! Result | |||
|- | |||
| M2 + M2 | |||
| aug3 | |||
| m2 + m2 | |||
| dim3 | |||
|- | |||
| D to F♯ | |||
| aug3 | |||
| D to F♭ | |||
| dim3 | |||
|- | |||
| D to F | |||
| M3 | |||
| D to F | |||
| m3 | |||
|- | |||
| E♭ + m3 | |||
| Gbb | |||
| E♯ + M3 | |||
| G♯♯ | |||
|- | |||
| E♭ + P5 | |||
| B♭ | |||
| E♯ + P5 | |||
| B♯ | |||
|- | |||
| A minor chord | |||
| A C♭ E | |||
| A major chord | |||
| A C♯ E | |||
|- | |||
| E♭ major chord | |||
| E♭ G♭ D♭ | |||
| E♯ minor chord | |||
| E♯ G♯ B♯ | |||
|- | |||
| Gm7 = G + m3 + P5 + m7 | |||
| G B D F♭ | |||
| G + M3 + P5 + M7 | |||
| G B D F♯ | |||
|- | |||
| A♭7aug = A♭ + M3 + A5 + m7 | |||
| A♭ C♭ E Gbb | |||
| A♯ + m3 + d5 + M7 | |||
| A♯ C♯ E G♯♯ | |||
|- | |||
| what chord is D F A♯? | |||
| D + M3 + A5 = Daug | |||
| D F A♭ | |||
| D + m3 + d5 | |||
|- | |||
| what chord is C E G♭ B♭? | |||
| C + m3 + d5 + d7 = Cdim7 | |||
| C E G♯ B♯ | |||
| C + M3 + A5 + A7 | |||
|- | |||
| C major scale = C + M2 + M3<br>+ P4 + P5 + M6 + M7 + P8 | |||
| C D♯ E♯ F<br>G A♯ B♯ C | |||
| C + m2 + m3 + P4<br>+ P5 + m6 + m7 + P8 | |||
| C D♭ E♭ F<br>G A♭ B♭ C | |||
|- | |||
| C minor scale = C + M2 + m3<br>+ P4 + P5 + m6 + m7 + P8 | |||
| C D♯ E F<br>G A B C | |||
| C + m2 + M3 + P4<br>+ P5 + M6 + M7 + P8 | |||
| C D♭ E F<br>G A B C | |||
|- | |||
| what scale is A B♯ C♭ D<br>E F G♭ A? | |||
| A + M2 + m3 + P4<br>+ P5 + M6 + m7 = A dorian | |||
| A B♭ C♯ D<br>E F G♯ A | |||
| A + m2 + M3 + P4<br>+ P5 + m6 + M7 | |||
|} | |||
== Music == | == Music == | ||
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* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IfVvjoRqqNk ''16edo jam''] (2025) | * [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IfVvjoRqqNk ''16edo jam''] (2025) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUgbkkIvy0g ''Waltz in 16edo''] (2025) | |||
; [[E8 Heterotic]] | ; [[E8 Heterotic]] | ||
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* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYkmT46oGhw ''Canon at the Semitone on The Mother's Malison Theme'', for Cor Anglais and Violin] ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6BUauD8EaE for Organ]) | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYkmT46oGhw ''Canon at the Semitone on The Mother's Malison Theme'', for Cor Anglais and Violin] ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6BUauD8EaE for Organ]) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7LUSRd1kMg ''Canon on Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'', for Organ] (2023) ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHJYyqge_JQ for Baroque Oboe and Viola]) | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7LUSRd1kMg ''Canon on Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'', for Organ] (2023) ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHJYyqge_JQ for Baroque Oboe and Viola]) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I4-URAGgQMQ ''Baroque Micropiece in 16edo''] (2024) | |||
; [[Herman Miller]] | ; [[Herman Miller]] |