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== Properties ==

Division of 5/3 into equal parts does not necessarily imply directly using this interval as an [[equivalence]]. The question of equivalence has not even been posed yet. The utility of 5/3, 11/7 or another sixth as a base though, is apparent by being named directly in the standard definition of such as the octave based [[sensi]] temperament or factoring into chord inversions. 5/3 is also the most consonant interval in the range between 3/2 and 2/1, which makes the equivalence easier to hear than for more complex ratios. Many, though not all, ~~of these~~ scales have a false octave, with various degrees of accuracy~~, but which context(s), if any, it is very perceptually important in is as yet an open question~~.

Division of 5/3 into equal parts does not necessarily imply directly using this interval as an [[equivalence]]. Many, though not all, ed5/3 scales have a perceptually important [[Pseudo-octave|false octave]], with various degrees of accuracy.

~~Incidentally, one way to treat~~ 5/3 as an equivalence is the use of the 6:7:8:(10) chord as the fundamental complete sonority in a very similar way to the 4:5:6:(8) chord in meantone. Whereas in meantone it takes four 3/2 to get to 5/1, here it takes four 4/3 to get to 8/7 (tempering out the comma 225/224). So, doing this yields 7-, 9-, and 16-note [[mos]] either way, the 16-note mos being 7L 9s. While the notes are rather closer together, the scheme is uncannily similar to meantone. "Microdiatonic" might be a good term for it (even better than for [[edf]]s as the generator it uses is an excellent fit for heptatonic mos) if it ~~has not been named yet~~.

5/3 is the most consonant interval in between 1/1 and 2/1, so this suggests it could be useful either as an equivalence, or as just an important structural feature.

[[Joseph Ruhf]] suggested the use of the 6:7:8:(10) chord as the fundamental complete sonority in a very similar way to the 4:5:6:(8) chord in meantone as a way to evoke 5/3-equivalence. Though it could also be used just as a useful sonority, even without equivalence. Whereas in meantone it takes four 3/2 to get to 5/1, here it takes four 4/3 to get to 8/7 (tempering out the comma 225/224). So, doing this yields 7-, 9-, and 16-note [[mos]] either way, the 16-note mos being 7L 9s. While the notes are rather closer together, the scheme is uncannily similar to meantone. "Microdiatonic" might be a good term for it (even better than for [[edf]]s as the generator it uses is an excellent fit for heptatonic mos) though it is, technically speaking, micro-[[7L 2s|armotonic]].

If we instead opt to continue using 4:5:6 as the fundamental sonority, then it will take three 3/2 to get to 5/4, resulting in [[Blackcomb]] temperament that tempers out the comma 250/243. This yields mos scales of 4, 5, 6, 11, 16, and 21 notes. Although, it should be noted that doing this will often create a pseudo-octave unlike the 6:7:8 approach.

ED5/3 tuning systems that accurately represent the intervals 5/4 and 4/3 include: [[7ed5/3]] (7.30 cent error), [[9ed5/3]] (6.73 cent error), and [[16ed5/3]] (0.59 cent error).

[[7ed5/3]], [[9ed5/3]], and [[16ed5/3]] are to the [[Ed5/3|division of 5/3]] what [[5edo]], [[7edo]], and [[12edo]] are to the [[EDO|division of 2/1]].

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{{todo|inline=1|cleanup|explain edonoi|text=Most people do not think 5/3 sounds like an equivalence, so there must be some other reason why people are dividing it — some property ''other than'' equivalence that makes people want to divide it. Please add to this page an explanation of what that reason is... The page also needs a general overall cleanup.}}

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 == Properties ==
-Division of 5/3 into equal parts does not necessarily imply directly using this interval as an [[equivalence]]. The question of equivalence has not even been posed yet. The utility of 5/3, 11/7 or another sixth as a base though, is apparent by being named directly in the standard definition of such as the octave based [[sensi]] temperament or factoring into chord inversions. 5/3 is also the most consonant interval in the range between 3/2 and 2/1, which makes the equivalence easier to hear than for more complex ratios. Many, though not all, of these scales have a false octave, with various degrees of accuracy, but which context(s), if any, it is very perceptually important in is as yet an open question.
+Division of 5/3 into equal parts does not necessarily imply directly using this interval as an [[equivalence]]. Many, though not all, ed5/3 scales have a perceptually important [[Pseudo-octave|false octave]], with various degrees of accuracy.
-Incidentally, one way to treat 5/3 as an equivalence is the use of the 6:7:8:(10) chord as the fundamental complete sonority in a very similar way to the 4:5:6:(8) chord in meantone. Whereas in meantone it takes four 3/2 to get to 5/1, here it takes four 4/3 to get to 8/7 (tempering out the comma 225/224). So, doing this yields 7-, 9-, and 16-note [[mos]] either way, the 16-note mos being 7L 9s. While the notes are rather closer together, the scheme is uncannily similar to meantone. "Microdiatonic" might be a good term for it (even better than for [[edf]]s as the generator it uses is an excellent fit for heptatonic mos) if it has not been named yet.
+/3 is the most consonant interval in between 1/1 and 2/1, so this suggests it could be useful either as an equivalence, or as just an important structural feature.
+[[Joseph Ruhf]] suggested the use of the 6:7:8:(10) chord as the fundamental complete sonority in a very similar way to the 4:5:6:(8) chord in meantone as a way to evoke 5/3-equivalence. Though it could also be used just as a useful sonority, even without equivalence. Whereas in meantone it takes four 3/2 to get to 5/1, here it takes four 4/3 to get to 8/7 (tempering out the comma 225/224). So, doing this yields 7-, 9-, and 16-note [[mos]] either way, the 16-note mos being 7L 9s. While the notes are rather closer together, the scheme is uncannily similar to meantone. "Microdiatonic" might be a good term for it (even better than for [[edf]]s as the generator it uses is an excellent fit for heptatonic mos) though it is, technically speaking, micro-[[7L 2s|armotonic]].
 If we instead opt to continue using 4:5:6 as the fundamental sonority, then it will take three 3/2 to get to 5/4, resulting in [[Blackcomb]] temperament that tempers out the comma 250/243. This yields mos scales of 4, 5, 6, 11, 16, and 21 notes. Although, it should be noted that doing this will often create a pseudo-octave unlike the 6:7:8 approach.
+ED5/3 tuning systems that accurately represent the intervals 5/4 and 4/3 include: [[7ed5/3]] (7.30 cent error), [[9ed5/3]] (6.73 cent error), and [[16ed5/3]] (0.59 cent error).
+[[7ed5/3]], [[9ed5/3]], and [[16ed5/3]] are to the [[Ed5/3|division of 5/3]] what [[5edo]], [[7edo]], and [[12edo]] are to the [[EDO|division of 2/1]].
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+{{todo|inline=1|cleanup|explain edonoi|text=Most people do not think 5/3 sounds like an equivalence, so there must be some other reason why people are dividing it — some property ''other than'' equivalence that makes people want to divide it. Please add to this page an explanation of what that reason is... The page also needs a general overall cleanup.}}