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| Subgroups = 2.5.7, 2.5.7.11 | | Subgroups = 2.5.7, 2.5.7.11 | ||
| Comma basis = [[3136/3125]] (2.5.7); <br> [[176/175]], [[1375/1372]] (2.5.7.11) | | Comma basis = [[3136/3125]] (2.5.7); <br> [[176/175]], [[1375/1372]] (2.5.7.11) | ||
| Edo join 1 = 6 | Edo join 2 = | | Edo join 1 = 6 | Edo join 2 = 25 | ||
| Generator = 28/25 | Generator tuning = 193.772 | Optimization method = POTE | | Generator = 28/25 | Generator tuning = 193.772 | Optimization method = POTE | ||
| MOS scales = [[1L 5s]], [[6L 1s]], [[6L 7s]] | | MOS scales = [[1L 5s]], [[6L 1s]], [[6L 7s]], [[6L 13s]], [[6L 19s]] | ||
| Mapping = 1; 2 5 9 | | Mapping = 1; 2 5 9 | ||
| Odd limit 1 = 7 | Mistuning 1 = 1.22 | Complexity 1 = 13 | | Odd limit 1 = 7 | Mistuning 1 = 1.22 | Complexity 1 = 13 | ||
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It also has a simple extension to prime 11 - undecimal didacus, by tempering out [[176/175]], the valinorsma, so that (5/4)<sup>2</sup> is equated to [[11/7]] and 9 generators stack to [[11/4]]; prime 13 can be found by tempering out [[640/637]], equating [[16/13]] to [[49/40]], and thereby putting the 13th harmonic 8 generators down. Beyond tridecimal didacus, further extensions to primes 17 and 19, known as roulette and mediantone, are also possible, sharing in common the interpretation of the generator as [[19/17]]. | It also has a simple extension to prime 11 - undecimal didacus, by tempering out [[176/175]], the valinorsma, so that (5/4)<sup>2</sup> is equated to [[11/7]] and 9 generators stack to [[11/4]]; prime 13 can be found by tempering out [[640/637]], equating [[16/13]] to [[49/40]], and thereby putting the 13th harmonic 8 generators down. Beyond tridecimal didacus, further extensions to primes 17 and 19, known as roulette and mediantone, are also possible, sharing in common the interpretation of the generator as [[19/17]]. | ||
As for prime 3, while didacus has as a weak extension, among others, [[septimal meantone]] (didacus is every other step of septimal meantone, and has an interpretation such that the generator represents [[9/8]]~[[10/9]], known as ''isra''), strong extensions that include 3 are rather complex. Hemithirds (25 & 31) tempers out [[1029/1024]] to find the fifth at [[3/2]] [[~]] ([[8/7]])<sup>3</sup>, and therefore the 3rd harmonic 15 generators down; and hemiwürschmidt (31 & 37) tempers out [[2401/2400]] so that ([[5/4]])<sup>8</sup> is equated to [[6/1]], finding the 3rd harmonic 16 generators up (and as described for the page for 5-limit [[würschmidt]], there is also a free extension to find [[23/1]] at 28 generators). These two mappings intersect in 31edo, though the latter hews closer to the optimal range for undecimal didacus specifically. | As for prime 3, while didacus has as a weak extension, among others, [[septimal meantone]] (didacus is every other step of septimal meantone, and has an interpretation such that the generator represents [[9/8]]~[[10/9]], known as ''isra''), strong extensions that include 3 are rather complex. [[Hemithirds]] (25 & 31) tempers out [[1029/1024]] to find the fifth at [[3/2]] [[~]] ([[8/7]])<sup>3</sup>, and therefore the 3rd harmonic 15 generators down; and [[hemiwürschmidt]] (31 & 37) tempers out [[2401/2400]] so that ([[5/4]])<sup>8</sup> is equated to [[6/1]], finding the 3rd harmonic 16 generators up (and as described for the page for 5-limit [[würschmidt]], there is also a free extension to find [[23/1]] at 28 generators). These two mappings intersect in 31edo, though the latter hews closer to the optimal range for undecimal didacus specifically. | ||
For technical data, see [[Hemimean clan #Didacus]]. | For technical data, see [[Hemimean clan #Didacus]]. | ||
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| 20/13, 77/50 | | 20/13, 77/50 | ||
| '''32/21''' | | '''32/21''' | ||
| 75/49 | | 23/15, 75/49 | ||
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| 25/13, 77/40 | | 25/13, 77/40 | ||
| 40/21 | | 40/21 | ||
| 48/25 | | 23/12, 48/25 | ||
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| 77/64, 110/91 | | 77/64, 110/91 | ||
| 25/21 | | 25/21 | ||
| 6/5 | | 6/5 | ||
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Similarly to tertian harmony in diatonic and [[chain of fifths]]-based systems, a system of harmony for didacus can be constructed based on these hexatonic categories. The fundamental chord, 4:5:7:8, splits the hexatone into intervals of 2, 3, and 1 tones respectively, so that 4:5:7 is a tritone stacked atop a ditone, 5:7:8 is a wholetone stacked atop a tritone, and 7:8:10 is a ditone stacked atop a wholetone. We can then take these chords' complements to achieve the other permutations of 1, 2, and 3. Notably, other chords one may want to use, such as 8:11:14, also fit into this format; 8:11:14 is a ditone stacked atop a tritone, and in that fashion much can be obtained from creating different harmonies from inflections of hexatonic interval categories. | Similarly to tertian harmony in diatonic and [[chain of fifths]]-based systems, a system of harmony for didacus can be constructed based on these hexatonic categories. The fundamental chord, 4:5:7:8, splits the hexatone into intervals of 2, 3, and 1 tones respectively, so that 4:5:7 is a tritone stacked atop a ditone, 5:7:8 is a wholetone stacked atop a tritone, and 7:8:10 is a ditone stacked atop a wholetone. We can then take these chords' complements to achieve the other permutations of 1, 2, and 3. Notably, other chords one may want to use, such as 8:11:14, also fit into this format; 8:11:14 is a ditone stacked atop a tritone, and in that fashion much can be obtained from creating different harmonies from inflections of hexatonic interval categories. | ||
=== Isomorphism with Sirius === | |||
One of the more peculiar properties of the Didacus temperament is its relationship with the [[3.5.7 subgroup]] temperament [[Sirius]]. Sirius tempers out [[3125/3087]] which is the difference between [[5/3]] stacked twice and 7/5 stacked thrice, so that 5/3 spans three generators (representing (5/3)/(7/5) = [[25/21]]) and 7/5 spans two. Therefore [[7/3]], the [[tritave]]-reduced harmonic 7, is split into 5 equal parts, 3 of which represent 5/3, the tritave-reduced harmonic 5, and we can see that the 3:5:7 chord in Sirius and 4:5:7 chord in Didacus are isomorphic to each other's complement. | |||
Even more interestingly, Sirius also has [[6L 1s (3/1-equivalent)|6L 1s]] and [[6L 7s (3/1-equivalent)|6L 7s]] MOS scales, which have the same shape as the 7- and 13-note MOSes of Didacus, and a descendant 19-note MOS scale. While the cardinalities of scales diverge between the temperaments after 19 notes, a quite analogous hexatonic picture to the previous section can be constructed for Sirius, and in sharing this structure despite the massive stretch between octaves and tritaves, Didacus and Sirius provide a unique avenue for transferring consonant octave-repeating no-threes harmony into consonant tritave-repeating no-twos harmony. | |||
== Tunings == | == Tunings == | ||
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The below tuning spectrum assumes undecimal didacus. | The below tuning spectrum assumes undecimal didacus. | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-4" | {| class="wikitable center-all left-4 left-5" | ||
! EDO<br>generator | ! EDO<br>generator | ||
! [[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzo<br>(unchanged interval)]]* | ! [[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzo<br>(unchanged interval)]]* | ||
! Generator (¢) | ! Generator (¢) | ||
! Extension | |||
! Comments | ! Comments | ||
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| '''171.429''' | | '''171.429''' | ||
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| 7dee val, '''lower bound of (2.5.7) 7-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | | 7dee val, '''lower bound of (2.5.7) 7-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | ||
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| '''184.615''' | | '''184.615''' | ||
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| 13e val, '''lower bound of (2.5.7.11) 11-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | | 13e val, '''lower bound of (2.5.7.11) 11-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | ||
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| 189.474 | | 189.474 | ||
| ↓ ''[[Spell]]'' (49/48) | |||
| 19e val | | 19e val | ||
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| [[125/112]] | | [[125/112]] | ||
| 190.115 | | 190.115 | ||
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| Full-comma | | Full-comma | ||
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| 190.909 | | 190.909 | ||
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| 44dee val | | 44dee val | ||
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| 192.000 | | 192.000 | ||
| ↑ Spell <br> ↓ [[Luna and hemithirds#Tuning spectrum|Hemithirds]] (1029/1024) | |||
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| 192.593 | | 192.593 | ||
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| 81ee val | | 81ee val | ||
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| 192.857 | | 192.857 | ||
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| 56e val | | 56e val | ||
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| 193.103 | | 193.103 | ||
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| 87e val | | 87e val | ||
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| [[5/4]] | | [[5/4]] | ||
| 193.157 | | 193.157 | ||
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| 1/2-comma, '''lower bound of (2.5.7.11) 7- and 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff''' | | 1/2-comma, '''lower bound of (2.5.7.11) 7- and 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff''' | ||
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| 193.220 | | 193.220 | ||
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| 118ee val | | 118ee val | ||
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| 193.548 | | 193.548 | ||
| ↑ Hemithirds <br> ↓ ''[[Hemiwurschmidt]]'' (2401/2400) | |||
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| [[35/32]] | | [[35/32]] | ||
| 193.591 | | 193.591 | ||
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| 3/7-comma | | 3/7-comma | ||
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| [[7/4]] | | [[7/4]] | ||
| 193.765 | | 193.765 | ||
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| 2/5-comma | | 2/5-comma | ||
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| 193.789 | | 193.789 | ||
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| 161e val | | 161e val | ||
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| 193.846 | | 193.846 | ||
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| 130e val | | 130e val | ||
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| [[49/40]] | | [[49/40]] | ||
| 193.917 | | 193.917 | ||
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| 3/8-comma | | 3/8-comma | ||
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| 193.939 | | 193.939 | ||
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| 194.012 | | 194.012 | ||
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| 167e val | | 167e val | ||
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| 194.118 | | 194.118 | ||
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| [[7/5]] | | [[7/5]] | ||
| 194.171 | | 194.171 | ||
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| 1/3-comma, '''upper bound of (2.5.7) 7-odd-limit diamond tradeoff''' | | 1/3-comma, '''upper bound of (2.5.7) 7-odd-limit diamond tradeoff''' | ||
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| 194.286 | | 194.286 | ||
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| 194.366 | | 194.366 | ||
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| [[11/8]] | | [[11/8]] | ||
| 194.591 | | 194.591 | ||
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| 194.595 | | 194.595 | ||
| ↑ Hemiwurschmidt | |||
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| [[196/125]] | | [[196/125]] | ||
| 194.678 | | 194.678 | ||
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| 1/4-comma | | 1/4-comma | ||
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| 194.872 | | 194.872 | ||
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| 117d val | | 117d val | ||
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| 195.000 | | 195.000 | ||
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| [[11/10]] | | [[11/10]] | ||
| 195.001 | | 195.001 | ||
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| 195.349 | | 195.349 | ||
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| [[11/7]] | | [[11/7]] | ||
| 195.623 | | 195.623 | ||
| ''' | | | ||
| '''Upper bound of (2.5.7.11) 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff''' | |||
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| [[49edo|8\49]] | | [[49edo|8\49]] | ||
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| 195.918 | | 195.918 | ||
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| [[28/25]] | | [[28/25]] | ||
| 196.198 | | 196.198 | ||
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| Untempered tuning | | Untempered tuning | ||
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| 196.364 | | 196.364 | ||
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| 55de val | | 55de val | ||
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| '''200.000''' | | '''200.000''' | ||
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| '''Upper bound of (no-threes) 7- and 11-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | | '''Upper bound of (no-threes) 7- and 11-odd-limit diamond monotone''' | ||
|} | |} |