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== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
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Since 33/32 is close to 1\45, 7\6 is close to 1\9, and 385/384 is close to 1\270, 1619edo can be thought of as [[1620edo]] where one step was extracted and all others were moved into a more harmonically just position. It achieves this because 1620edo is contorted 270edo in the 11-limit, and its 13/8 is on the flat side coming from 324edo, and thus when it is octave stretched, steps sharpen enough to arrive at 1619edo's 13-limit excellence. | Since 33/32 is close to 1\45, 7\6 is close to 1\9, and 385/384 is close to 1\270, 1619edo can be thought of as [[1620edo]] where one step was extracted and all others were moved into a more harmonically just position. It achieves this because 1620edo is contorted 270edo in the 11-limit, and its 13/8 is on the flat side coming from 324edo, and thus when it is octave stretched, steps sharpen enough to arrive at 1619edo's 13-limit excellence. | ||
1619edo supports a very precise rank two temperament, {{nowrap|19 & 1619}}, which uses [[6/5]] as a generator and has a comma basis 4375/4374, 91125/91091, 196625/196608, and 54925000/54908469. | |||
1619edo supports [[ | |||
1619edo supports the keenanose temperament, which has comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, and 151263/151250. Keenanisma is the generator in the keenanose temperament, {{nowrap|270 & 1619}}, in which it highlights the relationship between 270 keenanismas and the octave. It also achieves this since {{nowrap|270 × 6 {{=}} 1620}}, and 1619 is 1 short of that and also excellent in the 13-limit. | |||
Another temperament which highlights the interval relationships in 1619edo is {{nowrap|45 & 1619}}, called ''decigrave'', since 10 steps make a 7/6, which is referred to as the grave minor third sometimes. It has a comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, {{monzo|23 5 13 -23 1 0}} in the 13-limit. Its generator is 36 steps, which represents 65/64 and 66/65 tempered together, and 2 of them make 33/32. 5 of them make [[27/25]], and 10 of them make 7/6. | |||
1619edo supports the {{nowrap|494 & 1619}} temperament called moulin, with the comma basis of 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, 91125/91091. The 25-tone scale of moulin is capable of supporting the 8:11:13 triad, as it takes less than 25 notes to map the 11th and 13th harmonics. | |||
=== The Vidarines === | |||
1619edo supports [[vidar]], which has the comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, and 6656/6655. In addition, it contains a wealth of rank-two 13-limit temperaments that are produced by adding one comma on top of the vidar comma basis;. Temperaments described above such as decigrave, keenanose, moulin, are members of this collection. Eliora proposes the name ''The Vidarines'' for this collection of temperaments. | |||
A quick summary is shown below. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|+The Vidarines in 1619edo (named and unnamed) | |+ style="font-size: 105%;" | The Vidarines in 1619edo (named and unnamed) | ||
!Temperament | |- | ||
!Generator | ! Temperament | ||
associated ratio | ! Generator<br />associated ratio | ||
!Completing comma | ! Completing comma | ||
|- | |||
| Keenanose ({{nowrap|270 & 1619}}) | |||
| 385/384 | |||
| 151263/151250 | |||
|- | |||
| Decigrave ({{nowrap|45 & 1619}}) | |||
| 66/65 ~ 65/64 | |||
| {{monzo|23 5 13 -23 1 0}} | |||
|- | |||
| Moulin ({{nowrap|494 & 1619}}) | |||
| 13/11 | |||
| 91125/91091 | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | {{nowrap|46 & 1619}} | ||
| | | 3328/3087 | ||
| | | {{monzo| -18 9 -2 8 -3 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | {{nowrap|178 & 1619}} | ||
| | | 4429568/4084101 | ||
|{{monzo| | | {{monzo| -29 10 2 12 -3 -4 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | {{nowrap|224 & 1619}} | ||
| | | 256/175 | ||
| | | 18753525/18743296 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| | | {{nowrap|764 & 1619}} | ||
| | | 12375/8918 | ||
| | | 52734375/52706752 | ||
|- | |- | ||
|901 & 1619 | | {{nowrap|901 & 1619}} | ||
|104/99 | | 104/99 | ||
|34875815625/34843787264 | | 34875815625/34843787264 | ||
|} | |} | ||
While [[abigail]] is a member of the vidarines, 1619edo does not support it because abigail is a period-2 temperament, and 1619 is an odd number. | While [[abigail]] is a member of the vidarines, 1619edo does not support it because abigail is a period-2 temperament, and 1619 is an odd number. | ||
=== Prime harmonics === | === Prime harmonics === | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|1619 | {{Harmonics in equal|1619}} | ||
=== | === Subsets and supersets === | ||
1619edo is the 256th [[prime edo]]. | 1619edo is the 256th [[prime edo]]. | ||
== Selected intervals == | == Selected intervals == | ||
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | ||
|+ style=white-space:nowrap | Table of intervals in 1619edo | |+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Table of intervals in 1619edo | ||
|- | |||
! Step | ! Step | ||
! Cents | ! Cents | ||
! Ratio | ! Ratio | ||
! Name | ! Name* | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
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| 266.831 | | 266.831 | ||
| 7/6 | | 7/6 | ||
| septimal subminor third | | septimal subminor third, grave minor third | ||
|- | |||
| 744 | |||
| 551.451 | |||
| 11/8 | |||
| 11th harmonic, undecimal superfourth | |||
|- | |||
| 1134 | |||
| 840.519 | |||
| 13/8 | |||
| 13th harmonic, tridecimal neutral sixth | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 1619 | | 1619 | ||
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| perfect octave | | perfect octave | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki>* | <nowiki />* Named in accordance to their most just 13-limit counterpart using the names accepted on the wiki. | ||
== Regular temperament properties == | == Regular temperament properties == | ||
{| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6" | {| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6" | ||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]] | ! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]] | ||
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]] | ! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]] | ||
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]] | ! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]] | ||
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br>8ve stretch (¢) | ! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br />8ve stretch (¢) | ||
! colspan="2" | Tuning error | ! colspan="2" | Tuning error | ||
|- | |- | ||
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=== Rank-2 temperaments === | === Rank-2 temperaments === | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | {| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | ||
! Periods<br>per | |+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator | ||
! Generator | |- | ||
! Cents | ! Periods<br />per 8ve | ||
! Associated<br> | ! Generator* | ||
! Cents* | |||
! Associated<br />ratio* | |||
! Temperaments | ! Temperaments | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| [[Keenanose]] | | [[Keenanose]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
|1 | | 1 | ||
|36\1619 | | 36\1619 | ||
|26.683 | | 26.683 | ||
|65/64 | | 65/64 | ||
|[[Decigrave]] | | [[Decigrave]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
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| [[Ravine]] | | [[Ravine]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
|1 | | 1 | ||
|390\1619 | | 112\1619 | ||
|289.067 | | 83.014 | ||
|13/11 | | 1573/1500 | ||
|[[Moulin]] | | [[Acrosextilifourths]] | ||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 390\1619 | |||
| 289.067 | |||
| 13/11 | |||
| [[Moulin]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 426\1619 | |||
| 315.750 | |||
| 6/5 | |||
| [[Oviminor]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 587\1619 | |||
| 435.083 | |||
| 9/7 | |||
| [[Supermajor]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 672\1619 | |||
| 498.085 | |||
| 4/3 | |||
| [[Counterschismic]] | |||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki />* [[Normal lists|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | |||
[[ | == Music == | ||
; [[Francium]] | |||
* "Le's Cancel Monday" from ''The Scallop Disco Accident'' (2025) – [https://open.spotify.com/track/5yxExt1gC5KA1grtcefU2m Spotify] | [https://francium223.bandcamp.com/track/les-cancel-monday Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWAsePkJvtI YouTube] | |||
* "this you?" from ''Questions, Vol. 2'' (2025) – [https://open.spotify.com/track/3ZdhHP0wAyzg9aQkKwQIar Spotify] | [https://francium223.bandcamp.com/track/this-you Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28NveBGA3-U YouTube] | |||
* "Derpy Cat" from ''Microtonal Six-Dimensional Cats'' (2025) – [https://open.spotify.com/track/1j301ZrWIbkw1b8Ar5Ww5L Spotify] | [https://francium223.bandcamp.com/track/derpy-cat Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjNJoR__pT4 YouTube] | |||
[[Category:Quartismic]] | [[Category:Quartismic]] | ||