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[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 10:45, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

: Oh dang, good catch! I clearly wasn't paying careful enough attention to what I was doing when I wrote this page back then. I suppose if even I found myself specifying APS by frequency ratios, I should imagine that others in the wild will do this too. And I see your point that because of the presence or absence of units, there is no ambiguity caused by allowing both. But yes, we'd need to acknowledge this in the page. I support it. Feel free to make the changes yourself, or if you'd rather I take care of it, I'm happy to. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 17:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

:: I'll make the changes myself, then. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 07:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

== How to use the example table ==

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[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 11:00, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

: Yikes. I screwed up the middle row of this table. If I had done it correctly and consistently with how I did the tables on all the other arithmetic tuning pages (OD, EFD, OS, AFS, EPD, AS, UD, ELD, US, ALS), that row would simply be 0/4, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4. So I've made that change already. Thanks for catching that.

: I prefer the simplicity of frequency/pitch/length which are fundamentals of this naming system, i.e. I'd rather not introduce the term "size" here. But the point you've raised about how pitch requires units while frequency and length do not (being ratios of whichever unit to the same unit, canceling out) is very compelling. So I suggest something like this:

:* frequency → frequency (ratio)

:* pitch → pitch (octaves)

:* length → length (ratio)

: One advantage of this is that we consolidate the units into the row headers, rather than putting 'oct' into each cell of that row, which would clutter it. What do you think? If you agree, I volunteer to make the changes across all the tables, since that will be pretty tedious, and it's a problem I created in the first place. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 17:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

:: I agree with the proposed changes. [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 21:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

::: Sounds great. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 07:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:::: Wunderbar. It's done. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 20:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

== Merge ==

This page can be merged with [[equal-step tuning]]. – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 17:05, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

: I've made the same point on several discussion pages now. These pages are part of a family of pages in a system of arithmetic tunings. Yes, they are all equal step. I am fine with merging if it's done like this: https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:EPD&action=edit&section=1 --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 19:01, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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 [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 10:45, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
+: Oh dang, good catch! I clearly wasn't paying careful enough attention to what I was doing when I wrote this page back then. I suppose if even I found myself specifying APS by frequency ratios, I should imagine that others in the wild will do this too. And I see your point that because of the presence or absence of units, there is no ambiguity caused by allowing both. But yes, we'd need to acknowledge this in the page. I support it. Feel free to make the changes yourself, or if you'd rather I take care of it, I'm happy to. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 17:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
+:: I'll make the changes myself, then. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 07:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 == How to use the example table ==
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 [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 11:00, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
+: Yikes. I screwed up the middle row of this table. If I had done it correctly and consistently with how I did the tables on all the other arithmetic tuning pages (OD, EFD, OS, AFS, EPD, AS, UD, ELD, US, ALS), that row would simply be 0/4, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4. So I've made that change already. Thanks for catching that.
+: I prefer the simplicity of frequency/pitch/length which are fundamentals of this naming system, i.e. I'd rather not introduce the term "size" here. But the point you've raised about how pitch requires units while frequency and length do not (being ratios of whichever unit to the same unit, canceling out) is very compelling. So I suggest something like this:
+:* frequency → frequency (ratio)
+:* pitch → pitch (octaves)
+:* length → length (ratio)
+: One advantage of this is that we consolidate the units into the row headers, rather than putting 'oct' into each cell of that row, which would clutter it. What do you think? If you agree, I volunteer to make the changes across all the tables, since that will be pretty tedious, and it's a problem I created in the first place. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 17:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
+:: I agree with the proposed changes. [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 21:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
+::: Sounds great. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 07:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
+:::: Wunderbar. It's done. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 20:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
+== Merge ==
+This page can be merged with [[equal-step tuning]]. – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 17:05, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
+: I've made the same point on several discussion pages now. These pages are part of a family of pages in a system of arithmetic tunings. Yes, they are all equal step. I am fine with merging if it's done like this: https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:EPD&action=edit&section=1 --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 19:01, 18 May 2025 (UTC)