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== Color notation ==

Hi Xenllium, glad to see you using color notation so much! If you have any questions about it, or suggestions for improving it, please don't hesitate to contact me. BTW I recently corrected a few names involving 23 both as a prime and as an exponent. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 21:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

== Question about Facebook membership ==

Hi Xenllium, lots of good edits from you recently. Just curious, are you on our Facebook group? (What is your real name again?) - (https://www.facebook.com/groups/xenwiki/) [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 01:10, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

No, I am not on any Facebook group. -- [[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] 03:32, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

: No, I am not on any Facebook group. -- [[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] 03:32, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

== Reduce comma tables on EDO pages ==

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: I love the names [[semitonisma]], [[semitonic]] and [[semitonismic]] by the way, very intuitive and elegant to me and no real room for confusion that I'm aware of; a very deserved name. I just made redirects for them as I thought it was a shame they didn't already have redirects. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 01:26, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

:: I have proposed an alternative name for 256/255: "diasemitonisma". I disagree this comma renamed "charisma" (from ''char'', which means an 8-bit byte) for avoiding an extra confusion (already used for a temperament name of 13-limit 3def & 19). "Diasemitonisma" is a contraction of ''diatonic'', ''semitone'' and ''diaschisma'' into a single word, and also from ''dia-'' (diatonic or diaschismic) + ''semitonisma''. --[[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] ([[User talk:Xenllium|talk]]) 12:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

::: I replied on the talk page, but in regards to the alternative name "diasemitonisma", it strikes me as a bit cumbersome to describe the 2.3.5.17[12&22] temperament as "diasemitonic semitonic". It's not a bad name per se but what's wrong with the name change proposal? Charisma and Charismic already need renaming anyways and there are two fairly obvious options that seem fine and clearly related for what to change them to. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 16:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

== Hi! Do you have any ideas for a slight/mild rename of 136/135? ==

Please take a look at [[Talk:136/135]]. A name that is very similar/in the same vein would work great; the issue is just that "diatonismic" implies that "diatonic" refers to a rank 3 temperament. Warm regards, --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 22:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

== Why is it called vorwell? ==

I can't think of any temperaments starting with a "v" applicable. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 22:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

: The word ''vorwell'' is a contraction of ''[[vulture]]'' and ''[[orwell]]'' into a single word. The vorwell comma is a no-threes 7-limit comma measuring about 3.01 [[cent]]s, with ratio of 134217728/133984375. Some temperaments including vulture (53&270), orwell (31&53) and [[quasiorwell]] (31&239) temper it out. --[[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] ([[User talk:Xenllium|talk]]) 23:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

== Respect existing work & keep the wiki tidy ==

I'm not a fan of naming hundreds of commas and temperaments for the sake of it, but putting this aside, I'd like to ask that you refrain from putting your invented terms in front of existing ones. This has been the main motivation for the removal of "magikarp" from the main namespace, and that several people in the #wiki channel on XA Discord agreed to that removal. Also make sure to avoid phrasing things as if people are actually using the names you propose. In particular, avoid using [[template:idiosyncratic terms|idiosyncratic terms]] in the lead section of pages which are likely to be browsed by many visitors (e.g. [[129/128]], which is an octave-reduced harmonic and therefore a potentially useful interval in many contexts other than temperament scraping). Finally, it's not because people in the past have done similar things that we should continue doing it now. It's fine to propose new terms, but we (myself and several other contributors) try to keep the main namespace navigable for new users, which isn't easy when most of the content isn't musically helpful. For example, I didn't need a whole rank-2 temperament data chart to tell me that 43/32 is a decent harmonic fourth and that consequently, 12edo approximates it relatively well. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 04:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

== Backslash ==

What's with the weird backslash character? [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 13:28, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

: Using ＼ (U+FF3C) instead of <span style="font-family:'Arial', sans-serif">\</span> (U+005C) is an alternative method to display backslash (reversed solidus) reliably. In some Japanese fonts, U+005C is displayed as a yen sign (¥, U+00A5), as well as a won sign (₩, U+20A9) in some Korean fonts. --[[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] ([[User talk:Xenllium|talk]]) 14:17, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:: Okay I get where you're coming from, but that's not an ''us'' problem. You can set the font in your browser to one that is compatible with Unicode. To the English community the full-width backslash is unheard of. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 15:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Please don't mess with the backslashes on the wiki. Set the font in your browser. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

: NO!! I NEVER accept this suggestion!! Using tags such as <nowiki><span style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif"></nowiki> is indispensable for preventing backslashes to display as another character (such as a yen sign) despite font settings!! COULD you deal it!? --[[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] ([[User talk:Xenllium|talk]]) 01:29, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

:: Honestly, I'm pretty sure just accepting "7¥12" as valid edostep notation is a reasonable approach at this point. -- [[User:VectorGraphics|VectorGraphics]] ([[User talk:VectorGraphics|talk]]) 01:33, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

::: I like this idea, I've added ¥ as officially meaning the same thing as \ in the [[glossary]]. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 02:46, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

::: I disagree. It isn't wise to create alternatives to otherwise simple and widespread notations just because some user has technical issues, and for which solutions have been provided too. I will remove it from the glossary, because it gives the false impression that this notation is established. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 05:01, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

:: If it doesn't work through browser settings, then I wonder if some user CSS code could do it. For example, I have my own user CSS page here: [[User:Fredg999/common.css]]. I think the stuff that's currently in there isn't relevant anymore because it was implemented site-wide since then, but it should give you an idea of how it works, at least. You might be able to define a CSS rule that sets the default font to Arial, which should work the same as a span tag, except it would be applied everywhere automatically. See also [[Help:Advanced formatting of wiki pages]]. That said, I think searching for a workaround at the browser level has more chance to work quickly. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 03:29, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

You can easily fix this by editing your [[User:Xenllium/common.css|user CSS]] to:

body {

font-family: Arial;

}

</syntaxhighlight >

I tested for myself to verify that it works.

– [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 10:08, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== Keep in mind naming conventions (specially for -ic/-ismic commas) ==

When naming commas, don't forget the [[Temperament_naming#Temperament_and_comma_naming_conventions|comma naming conventions]]. They help to make sure that the names of commas and their associated temperaments can't be confused with other temperaments or concepts, as well as ensuring that it's easy for future theorists to refer to both the subgroup and full prime limit temperaments a comma defines, without ambiguity. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 07:02, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== New pages & notability ==

Please take a moment to review the [[notability guidelines]], especially when creating new comma pages.

Note that these are still new, so if you have concerns, please put them on the talk page there.

Specifically for new comma pages I want to ask the following things:

* Don't put a name in bold in the lemma, unless it is an established name in the community. If you want to propose a new name, put it in a section below.

* Include at least ''some'' information on why the comma is relevant. If you believe the comma is important enough to deserve its own page, you should be able to explain why it is significant.

For an example, see the page on [[1000/999]].

– [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 13:14, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

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+== Color notation ==
 Hi Xenllium, glad to see you using color notation so much! If you have any questions about it, or suggestions for improving it, please don't hesitate to contact me. BTW I recently corrected a few names involving 23 both as a prime and as an exponent. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 21:32, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
+== Question about Facebook membership ==
 Hi Xenllium, lots of good edits from you recently. Just curious, are you on our Facebook group? (What is your real name again?) - (https://www.facebook.com/groups/xenwiki/) [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 01:10, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
-No, I am not on any Facebook group. -- [[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] 03:32, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
+: No, I am not on any Facebook group. -- [[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] 03:32, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 == Reduce comma tables on EDO pages ==
@@ Line 174: / Line 178: @@
 : I love the names [[semitonisma]], [[semitonic]] and [[semitonismic]] by the way, very intuitive and elegant to me and no real room for confusion that I'm aware of; a very deserved name. I just made redirects for them as I thought it was a shame they didn't already have redirects. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 01:26, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
+:: I have proposed an alternative name for 256/255: "diasemitonisma". I disagree this comma renamed "charisma" (from ''char'', which means an 8-bit byte) for avoiding an extra confusion (already used for a temperament name of 13-limit 3def &amp; 19). "Diasemitonisma" is a contraction of ''diatonic'', ''semitone'' and ''diaschisma'' into a single word, and also from ''dia-'' (diatonic or diaschismic) + ''semitonisma''. --[[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] ([[User talk:Xenllium|talk]]) 12:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
+::: I replied on the talk page, but in regards to the alternative name "diasemitonisma", it strikes me as a bit cumbersome to describe the 2.3.5.17[12&22] temperament as "diasemitonic semitonic". It's not a bad name per se but what's wrong with the name change proposal? Charisma and Charismic already need renaming anyways and there are two fairly obvious options that seem fine and clearly related for what to change them to. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 16:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
+== Hi! Do you have any ideas for a slight/mild rename of 136/135? ==
+Please take a look at [[Talk:136/135]]. A name that is very similar/in the same vein would work great; the issue is just that "diatonismic" implies that "diatonic" refers to a rank 3 temperament. Warm regards, --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 22:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
+== Why is it called vorwell? ==
+I can't think of any temperaments starting with a "v" applicable. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 22:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
+: The word ''vorwell'' is a contraction of ''[[vulture]]'' and ''[[orwell]]'' into a single word. The vorwell comma is a no-threes 7-limit comma measuring about 3.01 [[cent]]s, with ratio of 134217728/133984375. Some temperaments including vulture (53&amp;270), orwell (31&amp;53) and [[quasiorwell]] (31&amp;239) temper it out. --[[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] ([[User talk:Xenllium|talk]]) 23:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
+== Respect existing work & keep the wiki tidy ==
+I'm not a fan of naming hundreds of commas and temperaments for the sake of it, but putting this aside, I'd like to ask that you refrain from putting your invented terms in front of existing ones. This has been the main motivation for the removal of "magikarp" from the main namespace, and that several people in the #wiki channel on XA Discord agreed to that removal. Also make sure to avoid phrasing things as if people are actually using the names you propose. In particular, avoid using [[template:idiosyncratic terms|idiosyncratic terms]] in the lead section of pages which are likely to be browsed by many visitors (e.g. [[129/128]], which is an octave-reduced harmonic and therefore a potentially useful interval in many contexts other than temperament scraping). Finally, it's not because people in the past have done similar things that we should continue doing it now. It's fine to propose new terms, but we (myself and several other contributors) try to keep the main namespace navigable for new users, which isn't easy when most of the content isn't musically helpful. For example, I didn't need a whole rank-2 temperament data chart to tell me that 43/32 is a decent harmonic fourth and that consequently, 12edo approximates it relatively well. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 04:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
+== Backslash ==
+What's with the weird backslash character? [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 13:28, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+: Using ＼ (U+FF3C) instead of <span style="font-family:'Arial', sans-serif">\</span> (U+005C) is an alternative method to display backslash (reversed solidus) reliably. In some Japanese fonts, U+005C is displayed as a yen sign (&yen;, U+00A5), as well as a won sign (&#x20a9;, U+20A9) in some Korean fonts. --[[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] ([[User talk:Xenllium|talk]]) 14:17, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+:: Okay I get where you're coming from, but that's not an ''us'' problem. You can set the font in your browser to one that is compatible with Unicode. To the English community the full-width backslash is unheard of. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 15:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+Please don't mess with the backslashes on the wiki. Set the font in your browser. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
+: NO!! I NEVER accept this suggestion!! Using tags such as <nowiki>&lt;span style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif"&gt;</nowiki> is indispensable for preventing backslashes to display as another character (such as a yen sign) despite font settings!! COULD you deal it!? --[[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]] ([[User talk:Xenllium|talk]]) 01:29, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
+:: Honestly, I'm pretty sure just accepting "7¥12" as valid edostep notation is a reasonable approach at this point. -- [[User:VectorGraphics|VectorGraphics]] ([[User talk:VectorGraphics|talk]]) 01:33, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
+::: I like this idea, I've added ¥ as officially meaning the same thing as \ in the [[glossary]]. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 02:46, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
+::: I disagree. It isn't wise to create alternatives to otherwise simple and widespread notations just because some user has technical issues, and for which solutions have been provided too. I will remove it from the glossary, because it gives the false impression that this notation is established. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 05:01, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
+:: If it doesn't work through browser settings, then I wonder if some user CSS code could do it. For example, I have my own user CSS page here: [[User:Fredg999/common.css]]. I think the stuff that's currently in there isn't relevant anymore because it was implemented site-wide since then, but it should give you an idea of how it works, at least. You might be able to define a CSS rule that sets the default font to Arial, which should work the same as a span tag, except it would be applied everywhere automatically. See also [[Help:Advanced formatting of wiki pages]]. That said, I think searching for a workaround at the browser level has more chance to work quickly. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 03:29, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
+You can easily fix this by editing your [[User:Xenllium/common.css|user CSS]] to:
+<syntaxhighlight lang="css">
+body {
+    font-family: Arial;
+}
+</syntaxhighlight >
+I tested for myself to verify that it works.
+– [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 10:08, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
+== Keep in mind naming conventions (specially for -ic/-ismic commas) ==
+When naming commas, don't forget the [[Temperament_naming#Temperament_and_comma_naming_conventions|comma naming conventions]]. They help to make sure that the names of commas and their associated temperaments can't be confused with other temperaments or concepts, as well as ensuring that it's easy for future theorists to refer to both the subgroup and full prime limit temperaments a comma defines, without ambiguity. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 07:02, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
+== New pages & notability ==
+Please take a moment to review the [[notability guidelines]], especially when creating new comma pages.
+Note that these are still new, so if you have concerns, please put them on the talk page there.
+Specifically for new comma pages I want to ask the following things:
+* Don't put a name in bold in the lemma, unless it is an established name in the community. If you want to propose a new name, put it in a section below.
+* Include at least ''some'' information on why the comma is relevant. If you believe the comma is important enough to deserve its own page, you should be able to explain why it is significant.
+For an example, see the page on [[1000/999]].
+– [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 13:14, 11 May 2025 (UTC)