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::: Oh, I think I see the problem. The Yahoo! groups link on the page is no good. That thread does not give the definition of breed that the community settled on. The link should probably be removed. My understanding is that "breed" is associated with the idea of ''cross''-breeding, which I wrote about briefly here: https://en.xen.wiki/w/Temperament_merging#Cross-breeding So "breed" does come from Graham Breed's name, but it makes a pun with it too (not unlike how Gene Ward Smith's namesake, a "gene", leverages the meaning of that word). If cross-breeding crosses two breeds, and breeds are ETs, then it follows that a map (or val) for an ET is a breed. We do not think of recombining arbitrary maps like {{map|1 0 -4}} or {{map|0 1 3}} as cross-breeding. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 00:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

:::: Hmm, this should probably be clarified on the beginner page [[val]] as it's not obvious that it doesn't always correspond to an equal temperament interpretation (even if we allow exotemperaments, at least assuming we don't use insane numbers of warts). Definitely at the end though, after the reader has had some time and examples to digest. I'm not sure where exactly to add the clarification though as the end part of the [[val]] page is less than ideal, maybe I should just rewrite it. And for that matter, a section on addition and subtraction of vals is deserved as iirc that's one method of converting an edo join into a mapping? (I'm not sure about that though.) --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 02:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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	::: Oh, I think I see the problem. The Yahoo! groups link on the page is no good. That thread does not give the definition of breed that the community settled on. The link should probably be removed. My understanding is that "breed" is associated with the idea of ''cross''-breeding, which I wrote about briefly here: https://en.xen.wiki/w/Temperament_merging#Cross-breeding So "breed" does come from Graham Breed's name, but it makes a pun with it too (not unlike how Gene Ward Smith's namesake, a "gene", leverages the meaning of that word). If cross-breeding crosses two breeds, and breeds are ETs, then it follows that a map (or val) for an ET is a breed. We do not think of recombining arbitrary maps like {{map\|1 0 -4}} or {{map\|0 1 3}} as cross-breeding. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 00:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)		::: Oh, I think I see the problem. The Yahoo! groups link on the page is no good. That thread does not give the definition of breed that the community settled on. The link should probably be removed. My understanding is that "breed" is associated with the idea of ''cross''-breeding, which I wrote about briefly here: https://en.xen.wiki/w/Temperament_merging#Cross-breeding So "breed" does come from Graham Breed's name, but it makes a pun with it too (not unlike how Gene Ward Smith's namesake, a "gene", leverages the meaning of that word). If cross-breeding crosses two breeds, and breeds are ETs, then it follows that a map (or val) for an ET is a breed. We do not think of recombining arbitrary maps like {{map\|1 0 -4}} or {{map\|0 1 3}} as cross-breeding. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 00:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

			:::: Hmm, this should probably be clarified on the beginner page [[val]] as it's not obvious that it doesn't always correspond to an equal temperament interpretation (even if we allow exotemperaments, at least assuming we don't use insane numbers of warts). Definitely at the end though, after the reader has had some time and examples to digest. I'm not sure where exactly to add the clarification though as the end part of the [[val]] page is less than ideal, maybe I should just rewrite it. And for that matter, a section on addition and subtraction of vals is deserved as iirc that's one method of converting an edo join into a mapping? (I'm not sure about that though.) --[[User:Godtone\|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone\|talk]]) 02:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)