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:: "is a specific type of val which defines an equal temperament" doesn't sound like "is the same thing as a val" but I don't actually know if there's a difference between the two so I'm hesitant to correct it. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 00:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

::: Sorry, but now I'm more confused about the nature of your confusion. Where did you get this "is the same thing as a val" phrase from? A breed is not the same thing as a val. It is a specific type of val. Again, a breed is a val that represents an equal temperament. Not all vals do that; some vals — such as the {{map|1 0 -4}} example I gave in my previous response, which is the first mapping-row of the mapping for meantone temperament — are no good as ET maps.

::: Oh, I think I see the problem. The Yahoo! groups link on the page is no good. That thread does not give the definition of breed that the community settled on. The link should probably be removed. My understanding is that "breed" is associated with the idea of ''cross''-breeding, which I wrote about briefly here: https://en.xen.wiki/w/Temperament_merging#Cross-breeding So "breed" does come from Graham Breed's name, but it makes a pun with it too (not unlike how Gene Ward Smith's namesake, a "gene", leverages the meaning of that word). If cross-breeding crosses two breeds, and breeds are ETs, then it follows that a map (or val) for an ET is a breed. We do not think of recombining arbitrary maps like {{map|1 0 -4}} or {{map|0 1 3}} as cross-breeding. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 00:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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 :: "is a specific type of val which defines an equal temperament" doesn't sound like "is the same thing as a val" but I don't actually know if there's a difference between the two so I'm hesitant to correct it. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 00:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
+::: Sorry, but now I'm more confused about the nature of your confusion. Where did you get this "is the same thing as a val" phrase from? A breed is not the same thing as a val. It is a specific type of val. Again, a breed is a val that represents an equal temperament. Not all vals do that; some vals — such as the {{map|1 0 -4}} example I gave in my previous response, which is the first mapping-row of the mapping for meantone temperament — are no good as ET maps.
+::: Oh, I think I see the problem. The Yahoo! groups link on the page is no good. That thread does not give the definition of breed that the community settled on. The link should probably be removed. My understanding is that "breed" is associated with the idea of ''cross''-breeding, which I wrote about briefly here: https://en.xen.wiki/w/Temperament_merging#Cross-breeding So "breed" does come from Graham Breed's name, but it makes a pun with it too (not unlike how Gene Ward Smith's namesake, a "gene", leverages the meaning of that word). If cross-breeding crosses two breeds, and breeds are ETs, then it follows that a map (or val) for an ET is a breed. We do not think of recombining arbitrary maps like {{map|1 0 -4}} or {{map|0 1 3}} as cross-breeding. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 00:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)