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== Ordinal-indexed versus zero-indexed names ==

The use of ordinal indexing for naming mos intervals and degrees is generally discouraged when referring to non-diatonic mos intervals. Ordinal indexing is reserved for describing diatonic interval categories.

* For multi-period mosses with ''p'' periods, the UDP of is notated as ''up''|''dp''(''p''). Since there are generators being stacked above and below every period - not just the tonic - there are in total ''u times p'' and ''d times p'' generators being stacked above and below their respective starting pitches. The full name in this case is '''xL ys up|dp(p)'''.

* The UDP for the mode of a multi-period mosses may be written as ''u|d''(''p'') rather than ''up|dp''(''p''). This is because the period already appears in both the quantity of bright (''u times p'') and dark (''d times p'') generators, so omitting the ''p'' term makes the notation less redundant. In contexts where it doesn't cause confusion, the notation can be simplified further to ''u|d.''

* The UDP for a mode, single-period or multi-period, may be shortened to "u|" under the reasoning that omitting the ''d'' term, which can be inferred by the ''u'' term, makes the notation less redundant. For example, "5L 3s 5|", which refers to LsLLsLLs, is read as "5 ell 3 ess 5 pipe".

!Simplified UDP

|<nowiki>7|</nowiki>

|<nowiki>4|</nowiki>

|<nowiki>1|</nowiki>

|<nowiki>6|</nowiki>

|<nowiki>3|</nowiki>

|<nowiki>0|</nowiki>

|<nowiki>5|</nowiki>

|<nowiki>2|</nowiki>

|<nowiki>2|</nowiki>

|<nowiki>1|</nowiki>

|<nowiki>0|</nowiki>

The ''octave complement'' (or ''equave complement'' for mosses that don't have an octave equivalence interval, or simply ''complement'') of a mos interval follows the same logic as the [[octave complement]] in regular music theory: in general, for a mos with n pitches, a k-mosstep in its large form has a complement of an (n-k)-mosstep in its small form, and the two intervals are complements of one another. Alternatively, if a specific mos interval is thought of as a quantity of large and small steps, then its complement is the number of steps needed to produce the mos pattern of xL ys itself. Additionally, if a mos interval is also altered by raising it by some number of chromas, its complement will be lowered by the same number of chromas, and vice-versa.

|+Interval complements of 3L 4s

|Perfect 0-mosstep (unison)

|Perfect 7-mosstep (octave)

|Perfect 7-mosstep (octave)

|Perfect 0-mosstep (unison)

== Sandboxed rewrite: Mos pattern names ==

| rowspan="7" |1:1 to 2:1 ''(general soft range)''

| rowspan="7" |2:1 to 1:0 ''(general hard range)''

| rowspan="9" |1:1 to 2:1 ''(general soft range)''

| rowspan="11" |2:1 to 1:0 ''(general hard range)''

See: [[User:Ganaram inukshuk/TAMNAMS Extension]]

== Changes to mos names ==

===Which mosses are worth naming?===

Updates to TAMNAMS around 2022 have imposed a maximum step count of 10. I'm arguing there should be a minimum note count 6 for the following reasons:

*The parents of most of the mosses with note counts 6-10 are mosses with 4-5 notes, so to denote these mosses, it may be better to think of these parents as subsets of those larger mosses instead. When people compose with 2L 3s, for example, they don't invent entirely new notation for that; instead, they use notation for 5L 2s and skip two of the notes.

**1L 3s, parent of 1L 5s and 5L 1s

**3L 2s, parent of 3L 5s and 5L 3s

*The names for these small mosses differ from the other mos names in that they're meant to be equave-agnostic. It's not that these names would go away; rather, they'd be going somewhere else. (Where is not known at the moment.)

The following is a proposed guide for naming mosses, based on patterns gleamed from existing mosses. There are also exceptions to these rules.

#Names for single-period mosses with 5 or fewer notes are the most general names, not limited to an equivalence interval of an octave, and end with -ic or -al. These should be the only mosses that contain the anti- prefix, shortened to an-.

# Names for single-period mosses not of the form 1L ns end with -tonic, suggesting that these are octave-specific and reference a specific interval, or a notable pre-TAMNAMS or other temperament-agnostic name.

##Temperament-based names may be justified if it applies to a mos with a sufficiently narrow generator range, or if no other naming options are available. Such names should end with -oid.

#Single-period mosses of the form 1L ns with 6 or more notes are named after minerals and gemstones.

# Multi-period mos names should bear the -ic suffix.

##All of the wood mosses are exceptions to this rule, as are lemon, lime, and tcherepnin.

# With the exception of mosses named under rule 1, mosses should avoid having additional prefixes if possible, such as anti-, sub-, or super-, and mosses should avoid sharing the same word stem unless the mosses in question are related in some way.

##Sets of mosses that share a relationship with one another include the following: subaric, jaric, and taric; monowood, biwood, triwood, tetrawood, pentawood; antidiatonic and diatonic (in that they're sister mosses)

===Changes to existing names===

This section describes changes to existing [[TAMNAMS]] names that I would make, given the proposal described in the previous section and the following reasons:

*Some names are still based on a temperament (mainly the -oid names), so those are either replaced with a new name or at least altered so the references are more indirect.

*There were Discord users with whom I shared a similar sentiment regarding the names of certain scales, mainly the mosses with the anti- prefix and the scales antidiatonic and superdiatonic.

*Some names are too long (in my opinion).

The choice of names are not perfect and some may have issues. Some name suggestions went through different versions. This section is meant to start a discussion on alternate names should a need come up for it. Some of these suggestions may be outdated as TAMNAMS names change, rendering such suggestions unnecessary; notes regarding such changes are in '''bold'''.

! colspan="9" |Proposals for octave-specific mosses currently referred to by equave-agnostic names

! rowspan="2" |Possible issues and other notes

|1L 3s

 

|3L 1s

|tetric

|-

|4L 1s

|

|

|

|2L 3s

|pentic

|

|

|diapentoid

|

|

|3L 2s

|anpentic

|

|

|

|

! colspan="9" |Changes to names that bear a prefix (anti-, sub-, etc) (most justifiable changes)

! rowspan="2" |Possible issues and other notes

! Prefix

| amech

|selenite or moonstone

|sel- or moon-

| sel or moon

| rowspan="4" |Shorter names. These names follow in the same spirit as "onyx" for 1L 6s in the following ways:

 

*"Selenite" is a mineral and is Greek for "moon", indirectly referencing [[luna]] temperament, as does "moonstone".

*"Spinel" contains the word "pine", referencing its sister mos of "pine".

* Depending on pronunciation, the word "agate" may rhyme with "eight".

*Depending on pronunciation, the word "olivine" may rhyme with "nine".

| rowspan="4" |Puns; dependent on pronunciation, which may vary.

 

| apine

| aga- or agat-

| 1L 9s

|oli

| azu- or unchanged

|An indirect reference to [[bleu]] temperament; azure is a specific shade of blue. Simplified name. Also, the sub- prefix may falsely suggest another scale called "(prefix)neutralic", similar to how sub'''aric''' (2L 6s) is the parent to both j'''aric''' (2L 8s) and t'''aric''' (8L 2s).

| New name is referencing a temperament, albeit indirectly. The sub- prefix reasoning may be a stretch, since subaric, jaric, and taric are the only mosses related this way.

! colspan="9" | Changes to names to reduce or remove references to temperaments (least justifiable changes)

! rowspan="2" |Possible issues and other notes

! Prefix

| 5L 1s

|machinoid

|mech-

| mech

|mechatonic

|A more indirect reference to [[machine]] temperament.

|Still references machine temperament. May also reference [[Subgroup temperaments|mechanism]] temperament. '''May be too minor of a modification.'''

|3L 7s

|sephiroid

|seph-

|seph

| sephirotonic or sephiratonic

| unchagned

|Rather than alluding to [[sephiroth]] temperament, the name should allude to Peter Kosmorsky's ''[https://ia800703.us.archive.org/12/items/TractatumDeModiSephiratorum/ModiSephiratorum.pdf Tractatum de Modi Sephiratorum]'' (A Treatise on the Modes of the Sephirates), whose name ultimately comes from the [[wikipedia:Sefirot|sefirot]]. The document describes several edos that are said to contain the "modi sephiratorum" (sephirate modes). Therefore, instead of the name "sephiroid", suggesting that the mos pattern resembles the modi sephiratorum, the mos pattern ''is'' the modi sephiratorum, hence the mosname "sephirotonic".

|May still reference sephiroth temperament. For a more indirect reference, an alternate transliteration of סְפִירוֹת (sefirot) may be used instead.

'''New name is longer than the old name. May also be too minor of a modificaiton.'''

|'''Too minor of a modification.''' The use of "bar" as an abbreviation may be problematic ("bar" may also mean "measure" in sheet music).

=== Table of all proposed changes ===

Changed names are denoted in '''bold'''.

! colspan="5" |Mosses with 2-5 notes are skipped entirely.

|-

! colspan="5" |6-note mosses

|-

!Pattern!!Name!!Prefix<ref name="prefix">used in interval, degree and mode names, e.g. ''perfect 3-oneirostep, perfect 3-oneirodegree, oneiro-3-up''</ref>!!Abbr.<ref name="abbr">written abbreviations of prefixes, e.g. ''P3oneis, P3oneid, onei-3|4''</ref>!!Etymology

|-

|[[1L 5s]]||'''selenite; moonstone'''||sel-||sel||indirect reference to luna temperament

|-

|[[2L 4s]]||malic||mal-||mal||apples have two concave ends, lemons have two pointy ends.

|-

|[[3L 3s]]||triwood||triwd-||trw||from 3-wood

|-

|[[4L 2s]]||citric||citro-||cit||parent mos of lemon and lime

|-

|[[5L 1s]]||machinoid||mech-||mech||from [[machine]] temperament

! colspan="5" |7-note mosses

|-

!Pattern!!Name!!Prefix<ref name="prefix" />!!Abbr.<ref name="abbr" />!!Etymology

|-

|[[4L 3s]]||smitonic||smi-||smi||from "sharp minor third"

|[[5L 2s]]||diatonic||dia-||dia||

|[[6L 1s]]||arch(a)eotonic||arch-||arch||originally a name for 13edo's 6L 1s

! colspan="5" |8-note mosses

!Pattern!!Name!!Prefix<ref name="prefix" />!!Abbr.<ref name="abbr" />!!Etymology

|[[1L 7s]]||'''spinel'''||spin-||sp||contains the substring "pine"

|[[2L 6s]]||subaric||subar-||subar||largest subset mos of jaric and taric

|[[3L 5s]]||checkertonic||check-||chk||from the [[Kite Giedraitis's Categorizations of 41edo Scales|Kite guitar checkerboard scale]]

|[[4L 4s]]||tetrawood; diminished||tetrawd-||ttw||from 4-wood

|[[5L 3s]]||oneirotonic||oneiro-||onei||originally a name for 13edo's 5L 3s

|[[6L 2s]]||ekic||ek-||ek||from temperaments [[echidna]] and [[hedgehog]]

|[[7L 1s]]||pine||pine-||pine||from [[porcupine]] temperament

! colspan="5" |9-note mosses

!Pattern!!Name!!Prefix<ref name="prefix" />!!Abbr.<ref name="abbr" />!!Etymology

|[[1L 8s]]||'''agate'''||ag-||ag||rhymes with "eight", depending on one's pronunciation

|[[2L 7s]]||balzano||bal- /bæl/||bal||from Balzano scale in 20edo which is 2L 7s

|[[3L 6s]]||tcherepnin||cher-||ch||common name

|[[4L 5s]]||gramitonic||gram-||gram||from "grave minor third"

|[[5L 4s]]||semiquartal||cthon-||cth||from "half fourth" and "chthonic"

|[[6L 3s]]||hyrulic||hyru-||hyru||allusion to [[triforce]] temperament

|[[7L 2s]]||superdiatonic; armotonic||arm-||arm||superdiatonic is a common name; arm- and armotonic references [[Armodue]]

|[[8L 1s]]||subneutralic||blu-||blu||derived from the generator being between supraminor and neutral quality. blu- is from [[bleu]] temperament

! colspan="5" |10-note mosses

!Pattern!!Name!!Prefix<ref name="prefix" />!!Abbr.<ref name="abbr" />!!Etymology

|[[1L 9s]]||'''olivine'''||oli-||oli||rhymes with "nine", depending on one's pronunciation

|[[2L 8s]]||jaric||jara-||jar||from temperaments [[pajara]], [[injera]] and [[diaschismic]]

|[[3L 7s]]||sephiroid||seph-||seph||from [[sephiroth]] temperament

|[[4L 6s]]||lime||lime-||lime||limes/4L 6s's steps tend to be smaller than lemons/6L 4s's steps

|[[5L 5s]]||pentawood||pentawd-||pw||from 5-wood

|[[6L 4s]]||lemon||lem-||lem||from [[lemba]] temperament

|[[7L 3s]]||dicoid /'daɪˌkɔɪd/||dico-||dico||from exotemperaments [[Dicot family#Dichotic|dichotic]] and [[dicot]] (dicoid)

|[[8L 2s]]||taric||tara-||tar||from Hindi ''aṭhārah'' '[[#Taric (8L 2s)|18]]'

|[[9L 1s]]||sinatonic||sina-||si||from [[sinaic]]