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 A 2.27.whatever subgroup would be triwa. Using 4 instead of 2 would have the unfortunate name "caca". Maybe call it bica instead? Not sure how to name subgroups like 2.3.35 or 2.3.7/5 or 2.7/5.9/5.
 --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 22:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
+: Yaza means 2.3.5.7. Barbershop is yaza, but they avoid 7-under intervals. Thus it could be described as yazo music. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 06:17, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
+== Possible "de-colorization" of colorspeak ==
+The five colors wa, yo, gu, zo and ru could all be replaced with words derived directly from the words three, five and seven. This requires a new syllable "te" that means ten or teen, used for primes 13, 17, and 19.
+{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
+|+
+!prime
+! colspan="2" |-o ("oh") for over
+! colspan="2" |-u ("oo") for under
+! colspan="2" |-a ("ah") for all
+! colspan="2" |-e ("eh") for exponent
+|-
+|2
+| colspan="2" |—
+| colspan="2" |—
+|twa
+|—
+|bi ("bee")
+|squared
+|-
+|3
+| colspan="2" |—
+| colspan="2" |—
+|tha
+|—
+|tri ("tree")
+|cubed
+|-
+| 5
+|fo
+|5o
+| fu
+| 5u
+|fa
+| 5a
+| fe
+| ^5
+|-
+|7
+|iso
+|7o
+|su
+|7u
+| isa
+| 7a
+|se
+|^7
+|-
+|11
+|ilo
+|1o
+|lu
+| 1u
+|ila
+|1a
+|le
+|^11
+|-
+|13
+|tetho
+|3o
+|tethu
+|3u
+|tetha
+|3a
+|tethe
+|^13
+|-
+|17
+|teso
+|17o
+|tesu
+|17u
+|tesa
+|17a
+|tese
+|^17
+|-
+|19
+|teno
+|19o
+|tenu
+|19u
+|tena
+|19a
+|tene
+|^19
+|}
+Currently, 41, 43 and 47 are fowo, fotho and foso. But fotho looks like 5-over 3-over. So 41, 43 and 47 must become forwo, fortho and forso.
+Advantages:
+* More logical, easier to learn.
+* fewer homonyms: no more "wa", "no" or "nu".
+Disadvantages:
+* The names of intervals using primes 13, 17 and 19 become less concise.
+* Widely used 7-limit colors become less concise: yy -> 5oo, zg -> 7o5u, likewise for ry, rg, zy, ryy, etc.
+* The 4:5:6 triad becomes C5o, which looks like a dyad.
+* The 6:7:9 triad becomes C7o, which looks like a 7th chord.
+* The current nomenclature is widely used in the xenwiki and various apps.
+This could be taken further and ilo/lu/ila could become tewo/tewu/tewa. Or it could be taken not as far, and wa could be retained for prime 3, allowing tho/thu/tha for prime 13.
+Overall I think the disadvantages of decolorization outweigh the advantages. Just noting the possibility here. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 06:17, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
+== Possible "de-heptatonicization" of colorspeak ==
+Color notation uses the conventional heptatonic degrees 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. It's possible to avoid this by using "wo" and "wu" to mean 3-over and 3-under. Thus 10/9 would be not "yo 2nd" but "yowuwu". 27/16 would be "triwo". The Ptolomaic scale would be wa, wowo, yo, wu, wo, yowu, yowo, cowa. Presumably this would free up one's thinking, but one would lose the rough estimate of an interval's size that the degree provides, and it would be difficult to tell how big something like zoguwuwu is. I don't personally recommend this notation, just noting the possibility here. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 06:17, 12 July 2023 (UTC)