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| Fifth = 29\50 = 696¢ | | Fifth = 29\50 = 696¢ | ||
| Major 2nd = 8\50 = 192¢ | | Major 2nd = 8\50 = 192¢ | ||
| | | Semitones = 3:5 (72¢:120¢) | ||
| | | Consistency = 9 | ||
| Monotonicity = 19 | |||
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== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
In the [[5-limit]], 50edo tempers out [[81/80]], making it a [[meantone]] system, and in that capacity has historically has drawn some notice. In [http://lit.gfax.ch/Harmonics%202nd%20Edition%20%28Robert%20Smith%29.pdf "Harmonics or the Philosophy of Musical Sounds"] (1759) by Robert Smith, a musical temperament is described where the octave is divided into 50 equal parts – 50edo, in one word. Later, W.S.B. Woolhouse noted it was fairly close to the [[Target_tunings|least squares]] tuning for 5-limit meantone. 50edo, however, is especially interesting from a higher limit point of view. While [[31edo]] extends meantone with a [[7/4]] which is nearly pure, 50 has a flat 7/4 but both [[11/8]] and [[13/8]] are nearly pure. It is the highest edo which maps [[9/8]] and [[10/9]] to the same interval in a [[consistent]] manner, with two stacked fifths falling almost precisely in the middle of the two. | In the [[5-limit]], 50edo tempers out [[81/80]], making it a [[meantone]] system, and in that capacity has historically has drawn some notice. In [http://lit.gfax.ch/Harmonics%202nd%20Edition%20%28Robert%20Smith%29.pdf "Harmonics or the Philosophy of Musical Sounds"] (1759) by Robert Smith, a musical temperament is described where the octave is divided into 50 equal parts – 50edo, in one word. Later, W.S.B. Woolhouse noted it was fairly close to the [[Target_tunings|least squares]] tuning for 5-limit meantone. 50edo, however, is especially interesting from a higher limit point of view. While [[31edo]] extends meantone with a [[7/4]] which is nearly pure, 50 has a flat 7/4 but both [[11/8]] and [[13/8]] are nearly pure. It is the highest edo which maps [[9/8]] and [[10/9]] to the same interval in a [[consistent]] manner, with two stacked fifths falling almost precisely in the middle of the two. | ||
50edo tempers out 126/125, 225/224 and 3136/3125 in the [[7-limit]], indicating it [[support]]s septimal meantone; 245/242, 385/384 and 540/539 in the [[11-limit]] and 105/104, 144/143 and 196/195 in the [[13-limit]], and can be used for even higher limits. Aside from meantone and its extension meanpop, it can be used to advantage for the [[Starling temperaments #Coblack temperament|coblack (15&50) temperament]], and provides the optimal patent val for 11 and 13 limit [[Meantone_family #Bimeantone|bimeantone]]. It is also the unique equal temperament tempering out both 81/80 and the [[vishnuzma]], {{monzo|23 6 -14}};, so that in 50et seven chromatic semitones are a perfect fourth. In 12et by comparison this gives a fifth, in 31et a doubly diminished fifth, and in 19et a diminished fourth. | 50edo tempers out 126/125, 225/224 and 3136/3125 in the [[7-limit]], indicating it [[support]]s septimal meantone; 245/242, 385/384 and 540/539 in the [[11-limit]] and 105/104, 144/143 and 196/195 in the [[13-limit]], and can be used for even higher limits. Aside from meantone and its extension meanpop, it can be used to advantage for the [[Starling temperaments #Coblack temperament|coblack (15&50) temperament]], and provides the optimal patent val for 11 and 13 limit [[Meantone_family #Bimeantone|bimeantone]]. It is also the unique equal temperament tempering out both 81/80 and the [[vishnuzma]], {{monzo|23 6 -14}};, so that in 50et seven chromatic semitones are a perfect fourth. In 12et by comparison this gives a fifth, in 31et a doubly diminished fifth, and in 19et a diminished fourth. | ||
{{harmonics in equal|50}} | {{harmonics in equal|50}} | ||
== Relations == | == Relations == | ||
The 50edo system is related to [[7edo]], [[12edo]], [[19edo]], [[31edo]] as the next approximation to the "Golden Tone System" ([[Das Goldene Tonsystem]]) of [[Thorvald Kornerup]] (and similarly as the next step from 31edo in [[Joseph Yasser]]'s "[http://books.google.com.au/books/about/A_theory_of_evolving_tonality.html?id=-XUsAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y A Theory of Evolving Tonality]"). | The 50edo system is related to [[7edo]], [[12edo]], [[19edo]], [[31edo]] as the next approximation to the "Golden Tone System" ([[Das Goldene Tonsystem]]) of [[Thorvald Kornerup]] (and similarly as the next step from 31edo in [[Joseph Yasser]]'s "[http://books.google.com.au/books/about/A_theory_of_evolving_tonality.html?id=-XUsAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y A Theory of Evolving Tonality]"). | ||
== Intervals == | == Intervals == | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all right-2 left-3" | {| class="wikitable center-all right-2 left-3" | ||
|- | |- | ||
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! Ratios* | ! Ratios* | ||
! colspan="3" | [[Ups and Downs Notation]] | ! colspan="3" | [[Ups and Downs Notation]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
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| P1 | | P1 | ||
| D | | D | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
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| ^1 | | ^1 | ||
| ^D | | ^D | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
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| d2, vA1 | | d2, vA1 | ||
| Ebb, vD# | | Ebb, vD# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 3 | | 3 | ||
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| A1, ^d2 | | A1, ^d2 | ||
| D#, ^Ebb | | D#, ^Ebb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 4 | | 4 | ||
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| vm2 | | vm2 | ||
| vEb | | vEb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 5 | | 5 | ||
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| m2 | | m2 | ||
| Eb | | Eb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 6 | | 6 | ||
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| ^m2 | | ^m2 | ||
| ^Eb | | ^Eb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | | 7 | ||
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| vM2 | | vM2 | ||
| vE | | vE | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 8 | | 8 | ||
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| M2 | | M2 | ||
| E | | E | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 9 | | 9 | ||
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| ^M2 | | ^M2 | ||
| ^E | | ^E | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 10 | | 10 | ||
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| vA2, d3 | | vA2, d3 | ||
| vE#, Fb | | vE#, Fb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 11 | | 11 | ||
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| ^d3, A2 | | ^d3, A2 | ||
| ^Fb, E# | | ^Fb, E# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 12 | | 12 | ||
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| vm3 | | vm3 | ||
| vF | | vF | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 13 | | 13 | ||
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| m3 | | m3 | ||
| F | | F | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 14 | | 14 | ||
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| ^m3 | | ^m3 | ||
| ^F | | ^F | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 15 | | 15 | ||
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| vM3 | | vM3 | ||
| vF# | | vF# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 16 | | 16 | ||
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| M3 | | M3 | ||
| F# | | F# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 17 | | 17 | ||
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| ^M3 | | ^M3 | ||
| ^F# | | ^F# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 18 | | 18 | ||
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| vA3, d4 | | vA3, d4 | ||
| vFx, Gb | | vFx, Gb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 19 | | 19 | ||
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| A3, ^d4 | | A3, ^d4 | ||
| ^Gb, Fx | | ^Gb, Fx | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 20 | | 20 | ||
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| v4 | | v4 | ||
| vG | | vG | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 21 | | 21 | ||
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| P4 | | P4 | ||
| G | | G | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 22 | | 22 | ||
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| ^4 | | ^4 | ||
| ^G | | ^G | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 23 | | 23 | ||
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| vA4 | | vA4 | ||
| vG# | | vG# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 24 | | 24 | ||
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| A4 | | A4 | ||
| G# | | G# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 25 | | 25 | ||
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| ^A4, vd5 | | ^A4, vd5 | ||
| ^G#, vAb | | ^G#, vAb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 26 | | 26 | ||
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| d5 | | d5 | ||
| Ab | | Ab | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 27 | | 27 | ||
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| ^d5 | | ^d5 | ||
| ^Ab | | ^Ab | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 28 | | 28 | ||
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| v5 | | v5 | ||
| vA | | vA | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 29 | | 29 | ||
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| P5 | | P5 | ||
| A | | A | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 30 | | 30 | ||
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| ^5 | | ^5 | ||
| ^A | | ^A | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 31 | | 31 | ||
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| vA5, d6 | | vA5, d6 | ||
| vA#, Bbb | | vA#, Bbb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 32 | | 32 | ||
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| ^d6, A5 | | ^d6, A5 | ||
| ^Bbb, A# | | ^Bbb, A# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 33 | | 33 | ||
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| vm6 | | vm6 | ||
| vBb | | vBb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 34 | | 34 | ||
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| m6 | | m6 | ||
| Bb | | Bb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 35 | | 35 | ||
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| ^m6 | | ^m6 | ||
| ^Bb | | ^Bb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 36 | | 36 | ||
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| vM6 | | vM6 | ||
| vB | | vB | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 37 | | 37 | ||
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| M6 | | M6 | ||
| B | | B | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 38 | | 38 | ||
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| ^M6 | | ^M6 | ||
| ^B | | ^B | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 39 | | 39 | ||
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| vA6, d7 | | vA6, d7 | ||
| vB#, Cb | | vB#, Cb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 40 | | 40 | ||
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| ^d7, A6 | | ^d7, A6 | ||
| ^Cb, B# | | ^Cb, B# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 41 | | 41 | ||
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| vm7 | | vm7 | ||
| vC | | vC | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 42 | | 42 | ||
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| m7 | | m7 | ||
| C | | C | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 43 | | 43 | ||
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| ^m7 | | ^m7 | ||
| ^C | | ^C | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 44 | | 44 | ||
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| vM7 | | vM7 | ||
| vC# | | vC# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 45 | | 45 | ||
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| M7 | | M7 | ||
| C# | | C# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 46 | | 46 | ||
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| ^M7 | | ^M7 | ||
| ^C# | | ^C# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 47 | | 47 | ||
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| vA7, d8 | | vA7, d8 | ||
| vCx, Db | | vCx, Db | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 48 | | 48 | ||
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| ^d8, A7 | | ^d8, A7 | ||
| ^Db, Cx | | ^Db, Cx | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 49 | | 49 | ||
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| v8 | | v8 | ||
| vD | | vD | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 50 | | 50 | ||
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| P8 | | P8 | ||
| D | | D | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki>*</nowiki> | <nowiki>*</nowiki> using the patent val | ||
== Just approximation == | == Just approximation == | ||
{{Primes in edo|50|columns=9}} | {{Primes in edo|50|columns=9}} | ||
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! Error (abs, [[cent|¢]]) | ! Error (abs, [[cent|¢]]) | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''[[ | | '''[[16/13]], [[13/8]]''' | ||
| '''0.528''' | | '''0.528''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[15/14]], [[28/15]] | ||
| 0.557 | | 0.557 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''[[ | | '''[[11/8]], [[16/11]]''' | ||
| '''0.682''' | | '''0.682''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[13/11]], [[22/13]] | ||
| 1.210 | | 1.210 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[13/10]], [[20/13]] | ||
| 1.786 | | 1.786 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''[[ | | '''[[5/4]], [[8/5]]''' | ||
| '''2.314''' | | '''2.314''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[7/6]], [[12/7]] | ||
| 2.871 | | 2.871 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[11/10]], [[20/11]] | ||
| 2.996 | | 2.996 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[9/7]], [[14/9]] | ||
| 3.084 | | 3.084 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[6/5]], [[5/3]] | ||
| 3.641 | | 3.641 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[13/12]], [[24/13]] | ||
| 5.427 | | 5.427 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''[[ | | '''[[4/3]], [[3/2]]''' | ||
| '''5.955''' | | '''5.955''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[7/5]], [[10/7]] | ||
| 6.512 | | 6.512 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[12/11]], [[11/6]] | ||
| 6.637 | | 6.637 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[15/13]], [[26/15]] | ||
| 7.741 | | 7.741 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[16/15]], [[15/8]] | ||
| 8.269 | | 8.269 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[14/13]], [[13/7]] | ||
| 8.298 | | 8.298 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''[[ | | '''[[8/7]], [[7/4]]''' | ||
| '''8.826''' | | '''8.826''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[15/11]], [[22/15]] | ||
| 8.951 | | 8.951 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[14/11]], [[11/7]] | ||
| 9.508 | | 9.508 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[10/9]], [[9/5]] | ||
| 9.596 | | 9.596 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[18/13]], [[13/9]] | ||
| 11.382 | | 11.382 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| ''[[ | | ''[[11/9]], [[18/11]]'' | ||
| ''11.408'' | | ''11.408'' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[ | | [[9/8]], [[16/9]] | ||
| 11.910 | | 11.910 | ||
|} | |} | ||
== Regular temperament properties == | |||
=== Temperament measures === | |||
The following table shows [[TE temperament measures]] (RMS normalized by the rank) of 50et. | |||
{| class="wikitable center-all" | {| class="wikitable center-all" | ||
! colspan="2" | | ! colspan="2" | | ||
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|} | |} | ||
== Commas == | === Commas === | ||
50edo [[tempers out]] the following [[comma]]s. (Note: This assumes the [[val]] {{val|50 79 116 140 173 185 204 212 226}}, comma values in cents rounded to 2 decimal places.) This list is not all-inclusive, and is based on the interval table from Scala version 2.2. | |||
{| class="commatable wikitable center-all left-3 right-4 left-6" | {| class="commatable wikitable center-all left-3 right-4 left-6" | ||
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|} | |} | ||
<references/> | <references/> | ||
=== Rank-2 temperaments === | |||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | |||
|+ Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator | |||
|- | |||
! Periods<br> per Octave | |||
! Generator | |||
! Cents | |||
! Associated<br>Ratio | |||
! Temperament | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 1\50 | |||
| 24.00 | |||
| 686/675 | |||
| [[Sengagen]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 9\50 | |||
| 216.00 | |||
| 17/15 | |||
| [[Tremka]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 11\50 | |||
| 264.00 | |||
| 7/6 | |||
| [[Septimin]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 13\50 | |||
| 312.00 | |||
| 6/5 | |||
| [[Oolong]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 17\50 | |||
| 408.00 | |||
| 15625/12288 | |||
| [[Ditonic]] / [[coditone]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 19\50 | |||
| 456.00 | |||
| 125/96 | |||
| [[Qak]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 21\50 | |||
| 504.00 | |||
| 4/3 | |||
| [[Meantone]] / [[meanpop]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 23\50 | |||
| 552.00 | |||
| 11/8 | |||
| [[Emka]] | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 2\50 | |||
| 48.00 | |||
| 36/35 | |||
| [[Pombe]] | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 3\50 | |||
| 72.00 | |||
| 25/24 | |||
| [[Vishnu]] / [[vishnean]] | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 4\50 | |||
| 96.00 | |||
| 35/33 | |||
| [[Bimeantone]] | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 6\50 | |||
| 144.00 | |||
| 12/11 | |||
| [[Bisemidim]] | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 9\50 | |||
| 216.00 | |||
| 17/15 | |||
| [[Wizard]] / [[lizard]] / [[gizzard]] | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 12\50 | |||
| 288.00 | |||
| 13/11 | |||
| [[Vines]] | |||
|- | |||
| 5 | |||
| 21\50 <br>(1\50) | |||
| 504.00 <br>(24.00) | |||
| 4/3 <br> | |||
| [[Cloudtone]] | |||
|- | |||
| 5 | |||
| 3\50 | |||
| 72.00 | |||
| 21/20, 25/24 | |||
| [[Coblack]] | |||
|- | |||
| 10 | |||
| 21\50 <br>(1\50) | |||
| 504.00 <br>(24.00) | |||
| 4/3 <br> | |||
| [[Decic]] | |||
|- | |||
| 10 | |||
| 2\50 <br>(3\50) | |||
| 48.00 <br>(72.00) | |||
| 36/35 <br>(25/24) | |||
| [[Decavish]] | |||
|} | |||
== Music == | == Music == |