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more in-tune versions of 35edo MOS's and consistent representation of both subgroups. 35edo has the optimal patent val for [[xenharmonic/Greenwoodmic temperaments|greenwood]] and [[xenharmonic/Greenwoodmic temperaments#Secund|secund]] temperaments. | more in-tune versions of 35edo MOS's and consistent representation of both subgroups. 35edo has the optimal patent val for [[xenharmonic/Greenwoodmic temperaments|greenwood]] and [[xenharmonic/Greenwoodmic temperaments#Secund|secund]] temperaments. | ||
A good | A good beginning for start to play 35-EDO is with the Sub-diatonic scale, that is a [[xenharmonic/MOS|MOS]] of 3L2s: 9 4 9 9 4. | ||
=Intervals= | =Intervals= | ||
(Bolded ratio indicates that the ratio is most accurately tuned by the given 35-edo interval.) | |||
|| Degrees || Solfege || Cents value || Ratios in 2.5.7.11.17 subgroup || Ratios with flat 3 || Ratios with sharp 3 || Ratios with 9 || | || Degrees || Solfege || Cents value || Ratios in 2.5.7.11.17 subgroup || Ratios with flat 3 || Ratios with sharp 3 || Ratios with 9 || | ||
|| 0 || do || 0 || 1/1 || (see comma table) || || || | || 0 || do || 0 || **1/1** || (see comma table) || || || | ||
|| 1 || du || 34.29 || 50/49, 121/119 || 36/35 || 25/24 || 81/80 || | || 1 || du || 34.29 || **50/49**, **121/119**, 33/32 || **36/35** || 25/24 || **81/80** || | ||
|| 2 || di || 68.57 || 128/125 || 25/24 || || || | || 2 || di || 68.57 || 128/125 || **25/24** || || || | ||
|| 3 || ra || 102.86 || 17/16 || || 16/15 || 18/17 || | || 3 || ra || 102.86 || **17/16** || || **16/15** || **18/17** || | ||
|| 4 || ru || 137.14 || || 12/11, 16/15 || || || | || 4 || ru || 137.14 || || **12/11**, 16/15 || || || | ||
|| 5 || ro || 171.43 || 11/10 || || 12/11 || 10/9 || | || 5 || ro || 171.43 || **11/10** || || 12/11 || **10/9** || | ||
|| 6 || re || 205.71 || || || || 9/8 || | || 6 || re || 205.71 || || || || **9/8** || | ||
|| 7 || ri || 240 || 8/7 || || 7/6 || || | || 7 || ri || 240 || **8/7** || || 7/6 || || | ||
|| 8 || ma || 274.29 || 20/17 || 7/6 || || || | || 8 || ma || 274.29 || **20/17** || **7/6** || || || | ||
|| 9 || me || 308.57 || || 6/5 || || || | || 9 || me || 308.57 || || **6/5** || || || | ||
|| 10 || mu || 342.86 || 17/14 || || 6/5 || 11/9 || | || 10 || mu || 342.86 || **17/14** || || 6/5 || **11/9** || | ||
|| 11 || mi || 377.14 || 5/4 || || || || | || 11 || mi || 377.14 || **5/4** || || || || | ||
|| 12 || mo || 411.43 || 14/11 || || || || | || 12 || mo || 411.43 || **14/11** || || || || | ||
|| 13 || fe || 445.71 || 22/17 || || || 9/7 || | || 13 || fe || 445.71 || **22/17**, 32/25 || || || **9/7** || | ||
|| 14 || fo || 480 || || || 4/3 || || | || 14 || fo || 480 || || || 4/3 || || | ||
|| 15 || fa | || 15 || fa || 514.29 || || **4/3** || || || | ||
|| 16 || fu || 548.57 || 11/8 || || || || | || 16 || fu || 548.57 || **11/8** || || || || | ||
|| 17 || fi || 582.86 || 7/5 || 24/17 || 17/12 || || | || 17 || fi || 582.86 || **7/5** || **24/17** || 17/12 || || | ||
|| 18 || se || 617.14 || 10/7 || 17/12 || 24/17 || || | || 18 || se || 617.14 || **10/7** || **17/12** || 24/17 || || | ||
|| 19 || su || 651.43 || 16/11 || || || || | || 19 || su || 651.43 || **16/11** || || || || | ||
|| 20 || | || 20 || so || 685.71 || || **3/2** || || || | ||
|| 21 || | || 21 || sa || 720 || || || 3/2 || || | ||
|| 22 || si || 754.29 || 17/11, 25/16 || || || 14/9 || | || 22 || si || 754.29 || **17/11**, 25/16 || || || **14/9** || | ||
|| 23 || lo || 788.57 || 11/7 || || || || | || 23 || lo || 788.57 || **11/7** || || || || | ||
|| 24 || le || 822.86 || 8/5 || || || || | || 24 || le || 822.86 || **8/5** || || || || | ||
|| 25 || lu || 857.15 || || || 5/3 || 18/11 || | || 25 || lu || 857.15 || || || 5/3 || **18/11** || | ||
|| 26 || la || 891.43 || || 5/3 || || || | || 26 || la || 891.43 || || **5/3** || || || | ||
|| 27 || li || 925.71 || 17/10 || 12/7 || || || | || 27 || li || 925.71 || **17/10** || **12/7** || || || | ||
|| 28 || ta || 960 || 7/4 || || || || | || 28 || ta || 960 || **7/4** || || || || | ||
|| 29 || te || 994.29 || || || || 16/9 || | || 29 || te || 994.29 || || || || **16/9** || | ||
|| 30 || to || 1028.57 || 20/11 || || || 9/5 || | || 30 || to || 1028.57 || **20/11** || || || **9/5** || | ||
|| 31 || tu || 1062.86 || || 11/6, 15/8 || || || | || 31 || tu || 1062.86 || || **11/6**, 15/8 || || || | ||
|| 32 || ti || 1097.14 || 32/17 || || 15/8 || 17/9 || | || 32 || ti || 1097.14 || **32/17** || || **15/8** || **17/9** || | ||
|| 33 || de || 1131.43 || || || || || | || 33 || de || 1131.43 || || || || || | ||
|| 34 || da || 1165.71 || || || || || | || 34 || da || 1165.71 || || || || || | ||
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||~ Periods | ||~ Periods | ||
per octave ||~ Generator ||~ Temperaments with | per octave ||~ Generator ||~ Temperaments with | ||
flat 3/2 (patent val) ||~ <span style="display: block; text-align: center;">Temperaments with</span> | flat 3/2 (patent val) ||~ <span style="display: block; text-align: center;">Temperaments with</span><span style="display: block; text-align: center;">sharp 3/2 (35b val)</span> || | ||
<span style="display: block; text-align: center;">sharp 3/2 (35b val)</span> || | |||
|| 1 || 1\35 || || || | || 1 || 1\35 || || || | ||
|| 1 || 2\35 || || || | || 1 || 2\35 || || || | ||
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|| 1 || 16\35 || || || | || 1 || 16\35 || || || | ||
|| 1 || 17\35 || || || | || 1 || 17\35 || || || | ||
|| 5 || 1\35 || || [[Blackwood]] (very unfair, | || 5 || 1\35 || || [[Blackwood]] (very unfair, favoring 7/6) || | ||
|| 5 || 2\35 || || [[Blackwood]] (unfair, favoring 6/5) || | || 5 || 2\35 || || [[Blackwood]] (unfair, favoring 6/5 and 20/17) || | ||
|| 5 || 3\35 || || [[Blackwood]] (fair, favoring 5/4) || | || 5 || 3\35 || || [[Blackwood]] (fair, favoring 5/4 and 17/14) || | ||
|| 7 || 1\35 || [[xenharmonic/Apotome family|Whitewood]]/[[xenharmonic/Apotome family#Redwood|Redwood]] || || | || 7 || 1\35 || [[xenharmonic/Apotome family|Whitewood]]/[[xenharmonic/Apotome family#Redwood|Redwood]] || || | ||
|| 7 || 2\35 || [[xenharmonic/Greenwoodmic temperaments#Greenwood|Greenwood]] || || | || 7 || 2\35 || [[xenharmonic/Greenwoodmic temperaments#Greenwood|Greenwood]] || || | ||
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more in-tune versions of 35edo MOS's and consistent representation of both subgroups. 35edo has the optimal patent val for <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Greenwoodmic%20temperaments">greenwood</a> and <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Greenwoodmic%20temperaments#Secund">secund</a> temperaments.<br /> | more in-tune versions of 35edo MOS's and consistent representation of both subgroups. 35edo has the optimal patent val for <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Greenwoodmic%20temperaments">greenwood</a> and <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Greenwoodmic%20temperaments#Secund">secund</a> temperaments.<br /> | ||
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A good | A good beginning for start to play 35-EDO is with the Sub-diatonic scale, that is a <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/MOS">MOS</a> of 3L2s: 9 4 9 9 4.<br /> | ||
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<br /> | (Bolded ratio indicates that the ratio is most accurately tuned by the given 35-edo interval.)<br /> | ||
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<td>0<br /> | <td>0<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>1/1<br /> | <td><strong>1/1</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>(see comma table)<br /> | <td>(see comma table)<br /> | ||
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<td>34.29<br /> | <td>34.29<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>50/49, 121/119<br /> | <td><strong>50/49</strong>, <strong>121/119</strong>, 33/32<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>36/35<br /> | <td><strong>36/35</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>25/24<br /> | <td>25/24<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>81/80<br /> | <td><strong>81/80</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> | ||
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<td>128/125<br /> | <td>128/125<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>25/24<br /> | <td><strong>25/24</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>102.86<br /> | <td>102.86<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>17/16<br /> | <td><strong>17/16</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>16/15<br /> | <td><strong>16/15</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>18/17<br /> | <td><strong>18/17</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>12/11, 16/15<br /> | <td><strong>12/11</strong>, 16/15<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>171.43<br /> | <td>171.43<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>11/10<br /> | <td><strong>11/10</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>12/11<br /> | <td>12/11<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>10/9<br /> | <td><strong>10/9</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>9/8<br /> | <td><strong>9/8</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> | ||
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<td>240<br /> | <td>240<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>8/7<br /> | <td><strong>8/7</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>274.29<br /> | <td>274.29<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>20/17<br /> | <td><strong>20/17</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>7/6<br /> | <td><strong>7/6</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>6/5<br /> | <td><strong>6/5</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>342.86<br /> | <td>342.86<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>17/14<br /> | <td><strong>17/14</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>6/5<br /> | <td>6/5<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>11/9<br /> | <td><strong>11/9</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> | ||
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<td>377.14<br /> | <td>377.14<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>5/4<br /> | <td><strong>5/4</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>411.43<br /> | <td>411.43<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>14/11<br /> | <td><strong>14/11</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>445.71<br /> | <td>445.71<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>22/17<br /> | <td><strong>22/17</strong>, 32/25<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>9/7<br /> | <td><strong>9/7</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
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<td>15<br /> | <td>15<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>fa | <td>fa<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>514.29<br /> | <td>514.29<br /> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>4/3<br /> | <td><strong>4/3</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>548.57<br /> | <td>548.57<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>11/8<br /> | <td><strong>11/8</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>582.86<br /> | <td>582.86<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>7/5<br /> | <td><strong>7/5</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>24/17<br /> | <td><strong>24/17</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>17/12<br /> | <td>17/12<br /> | ||
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<td>617.14<br /> | <td>617.14<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>10/7<br /> | <td><strong>10/7</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>17/12<br /> | <td><strong>17/12</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>24/17<br /> | <td>24/17<br /> | ||
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<td>651.43<br /> | <td>651.43<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>16/11<br /> | <td><strong>16/11</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>20<br /> | <td>20<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td> | <td>so<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>685.71<br /> | <td>685.71<br /> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>3/2<br /> | <td><strong>3/2</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>21<br /> | <td>21<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td> | <td>sa<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>720<br /> | <td>720<br /> | ||
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<td>754.29<br /> | <td>754.29<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>17/11, 25/16<br /> | <td><strong>17/11</strong>, 25/16<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>14/9<br /> | <td><strong>14/9</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> | ||
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<td>788.57<br /> | <td>788.57<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>11/7<br /> | <td><strong>11/7</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>822.86<br /> | <td>822.86<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>8/5<br /> | <td><strong>8/5</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>5/3<br /> | <td>5/3<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>18/11<br /> | <td><strong>18/11</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>5/3<br /> | <td><strong>5/3</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>925.71<br /> | <td>925.71<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>17/10<br /> | <td><strong>17/10</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>12/7<br /> | <td><strong>12/7</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>960<br /> | <td>960<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>7/4<br /> | <td><strong>7/4</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>16/9<br /> | <td><strong>16/9</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> | ||
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<td>1028.57<br /> | <td>1028.57<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>20/11<br /> | <td><strong>20/11</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>9/5<br /> | <td><strong>9/5</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>11/6, 15/8<br /> | <td><strong>11/6</strong>, 15/8<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
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<td>1097.14<br /> | <td>1097.14<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>32/17<br /> | <td><strong>32/17</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>15/8<br /> | <td><strong>15/8</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td>17/9<br /> | <td><strong>17/9</strong><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> | ||
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flat 3/2 (patent val)<br /> | flat 3/2 (patent val)<br /> | ||
</th> | </th> | ||
<th><span style="display: block; text-align: center;">Temperaments with</span> | <th><span style="display: block; text-align: center;">Temperaments with</span><span style="display: block; text-align: center;">sharp 3/2 (35b val)</span><br /> | ||
<span style="display: block; text-align: center;">sharp 3/2 (35b val)</span><br /> | |||
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</td> | </td> | ||
<td><a class="wiki_link" href="/Blackwood">Blackwood</a> (very unfair, | <td><a class="wiki_link" href="/Blackwood">Blackwood</a> (very unfair, favoring 7/6)<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><a class="wiki_link" href="/Blackwood">Blackwood</a> (unfair, favoring 6/5)<br /> | <td><a class="wiki_link" href="/Blackwood">Blackwood</a> (unfair, favoring 6/5 and 20/17)<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
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<td><br /> | <td><br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
<td><a class="wiki_link" href="/Blackwood">Blackwood</a> (fair, favoring 5/4)<br /> | <td><a class="wiki_link" href="/Blackwood">Blackwood</a> (fair, favoring 5/4 and 17/14)<br /> | ||
</td> | </td> | ||
</tr> | </tr> |