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::: Mike, I am not trying to host a "project" here. I know I have tried to convince you of this many times in the recent past. You're still mischaracterizing my intentions. Flora has got me right: I don't want to fragment information. What I am trying to do here is contribute to the collective understanding about RTT. And this "map" page was written with that intention. If you're still thinking about recent conflict we had about the term "defactoring", I thought we were past this; a state on the wiki has been achieved where "defactoring" is merely ''proposed'' terminology, and yes it happens to have been invented by Dave and me. We use it in stuff we write, and others use it too. It is not stated anywhere that it is accepted terminology. And also critically, I do not intend to quarantine myself or to be quarantined behind labels that automatically say "here terminology A is the case, there terminology B is the case." Every page starts on the same blank slate, of "one RTT". As Keenan said on Facebook, just say what convention is going to be used on the current page and go with it, or perhaps it will be obvious through context. So if you don't think this "Map" page is correctly starting on that same sort of blank slate, let's continue revising it together. I don't want to claim "map" as part of "D&D RTT" or something. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 02:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

:::: You literally just told me to add a note to the bullet points clarifying which usages are yours + Dave's. So I did; I added a bunch of stuff in that direction, historical usages of "map" and ways in which it is the same and different from this new proposed definition and who used what terms where and so forth. You are now saying that you don't want to be quarantined behind labels? You also just told me 45 minutes ago to add a category for your + Dave's stuff, and linked to your user page for reference, although I didn't do it. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 03:40, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

= Rewrite =

: I've rewritten this with lots of additional information about the ways the term "map" has been used in RTT, much of which is mutually incompatible with the new definition, just so it is documented somewhere. I also left another note clarifying precisely how the new definition differs from the old and which authors use which definition where. This is a starting point, so feel free to edit further, in particular Douglas and Dave's section is just my best attempt at explaining and I am sure they will have edits. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 03:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

: I've rewritten this with lots of additional information about the ways the term "map" has been used in RTT, much of which is mutually incompatible with the new definition, and some of which is not. It is on this page just so it is documented somewhere. I also left another note clarifying precisely how the new definition differs from the old and which authors use which definition where. This is a starting point, so feel free to edit further, in particular Douglas and Dave's section is just my best attempt at explaining and I am sure they will have edits. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 03:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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 ::: Mike, I am not trying to host a "project" here. I know I have tried to convince you of this many times in the recent past. You're still mischaracterizing my intentions. Flora has got me right: I don't want to fragment information. What I am trying to do here is contribute to the collective understanding about RTT. And this "map" page was written with that intention. If you're still thinking about recent conflict we had about the term "defactoring", I thought we were past this; a state on the wiki has been achieved where "defactoring" is merely ''proposed'' terminology, and yes it happens to have been invented by Dave and me. We use it in stuff we write, and others use it too. It is not stated anywhere that it is accepted terminology. And also critically, I do not intend to quarantine myself or to be quarantined behind labels that automatically say "here terminology A is the case, there terminology B is the case." Every page starts on the same blank slate, of "one RTT". As Keenan said on Facebook, just say what convention is going to be used on the current page and go with it, or perhaps it will be obvious through context. So if you don't think this "Map" page is correctly starting on that same sort of blank slate, let's continue revising it together. I don't want to claim "map" as part of "D&D RTT" or something. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 02:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
+:::: You literally just told me to add a note to the bullet points clarifying which usages are yours + Dave's. So I did; I added a bunch of stuff in that direction, historical usages of "map" and ways in which it is the same and different from this new proposed definition and who used what terms where and so forth. You are now saying that you don't want to be quarantined behind labels? You also just told me 45 minutes ago to add a category for your + Dave's stuff, and linked to your user page for reference, although I didn't do it. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 03:40, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 = Rewrite =
-: I've rewritten this with lots of additional information about the ways the term "map" has been used in RTT, much of which is mutually incompatible with the new definition, just so it is documented somewhere. I also left another note clarifying precisely how the new definition differs from the old and which authors use which definition where. This is a starting point, so feel free to edit further, in particular Douglas and Dave's section is just my best attempt at explaining and I am sure they will have edits. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 03:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
+: I've rewritten this with lots of additional information about the ways the term "map" has been used in RTT, much of which is mutually incompatible with the new definition, and some of which is not. It is on this page just so it is documented somewhere. I also left another note clarifying precisely how the new definition differs from the old and which authors use which definition where. This is a starting point, so feel free to edit further, in particular Douglas and Dave's section is just my best attempt at explaining and I am sure they will have edits. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 03:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)