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The [[5-limit]] parent comma for the '''würschmidt family''' is [[393216/390625]], known as Würschmidt's comma, and named after José Würschmidt, Its [[monzo]] is {{Monzo|17 1 -8}}, and flipping that yields {{Multival|8 1 17}} for the wedgie. This tells us the [[generator]] is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require eight of these. In fact, (5/4) | The [[5-limit]] parent comma for the '''würschmidt family''' is [[393216/390625]], known as Würschmidt's comma, and named after José Würschmidt, Its [[monzo]] is {{Monzo|17 1 -8}}, and flipping that yields {{Multival|8 1 17}} for the wedgie. This tells us the [[generator]] is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require eight of these. In fact, (5/4)<sup>8</sup> * 393216/390625 = 6. 10\31, 11\34 or 21\65 are possible generators and other tunings include 96EDO, 99EDO and 164EDO. Another tuning solution is to sharpen the major third by 1/8th of a Würschmidt comma, which is to say by 1.43 cents, and thereby achieve pure fifths; this is the [[minimax tuning]]. Würschmidt is well-supplied with MOS scales, with 10, 13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 28, 31 and 34 note [[MOS]] all possibilities. | ||
== Würschmidt == | == Würschmidt == | ||
('''Würschmidt''' is sometimes spelled '''Wuerschmidt''') | ('''Würschmidt''' is sometimes spelled '''Wuerschmidt''') | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5 | |||
[[Comma]]: 393216/390625 | [[Comma]]: 393216/390625 | ||
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== Septimal Würschmidt == | == Septimal Würschmidt == | ||
Würschmidt, aside from the commas listed above, also tempers out 225/224. [[31edo|31EDO]] or [[127edo|127EDO]] can be used as tunings. Würschmidt has {{Multival|8 1 18 -17 6 39}} for a wedgie. It extends naturally to an 11-limit version {{Multival|8 1 18 20 | Würschmidt, aside from the commas listed above, also tempers out 225/224. [[31edo|31EDO]] or [[127edo|127EDO]] can be used as tunings. Würschmidt has {{Multival|8 1 18 -17 6 39}} for a wedgie. It extends naturally to an 11-limit version {{Multival|8 1 18 20 …}} which also tempers out 99/98, 176/175 and 243/242. 127EDO is again an excellent tuning for 11-limit würschmidt, as well as for minerva, the 11-limit rank three temperament tempering out 99/98 and 176/175. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | |||
[[Comma list]]: [[225/224]], 8748/8575 | [[Comma list]]: [[225/224]], 8748/8575 | ||
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=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 99/98, 176/175, 243/242 | Comma list: 99/98, 176/175, 243/242 | ||
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=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 99/98, 144/143, 176/175, 275/273 | Comma list: 99/98, 144/143, 176/175, 275/273 | ||
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=== Worseschmidt === | === Worseschmidt === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 243/242 | Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 243/242 | ||
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== Worschmidt == | == Worschmidt == | ||
Worschmidt tempers out 126/125 rather than 225/224, and can use [[31edo|31EDO]], [[34edo|34EDO]], or [[127edo|127EDO]] as a tuning. If 127 is used, note that the val is {{Val|127 201 295 356}} (127d) and not {{Val|127 201 295 357}} as with würschmidt. The wedgie now is {{Multival|8 1 -13 -17 -43 -33}}. In practice, of course, both mappings could be used ambiguously, which might be an interesting avenue for someone to explore. | Worschmidt tempers out 126/125 rather than 225/224, and can use [[31edo|31EDO]], [[34edo|34EDO]], or [[127edo|127EDO]] as a tuning. If 127 is used, note that the val is {{Val|127 201 295 356}} (127d) and not {{Val|127 201 295 357}} as with würschmidt. The wedgie now is {{Multival|8 1 -13 -17 -43 -33}}. In practice, of course, both mappings could be used ambiguously, which might be an interesting avenue for someone to explore. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 33075/32768 | [[Comma list]]: 126/125, 33075/32768 | ||
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=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 126/125, 243/242, 385/384 | Comma list: 126/125, 243/242, 385/384 | ||
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== Whirrschmidt == | == Whirrschmidt == | ||
[[99edo|99EDO]] is such a good tuning for whirrschimdt that we hardly need look any farther. Unfortunately, the temperament while accurate is complex, with {{Multival|8 1 52 -17 60 118}} for a wedgie. | [[99edo|99EDO]] is such a good tuning for whirrschimdt that we hardly need look any farther. Unfortunately, the temperament while accurate is complex, with {{Multival|8 1 52 -17 60 118}} for a wedgie. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 393216/390625 | [[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 393216/390625 | ||
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== Hemiwürschmidt == | == Hemiwürschmidt == | ||
'''Hemiwürschmidt''' (sometimes spelled '''Hemiwuerschmidt'''), which splits the major third in two and uses that for a generator, is the most important of these temperaments even with the rather large complexity for the fifth. It tempers out [[3136/3125]], 6144/6125 and 2401/2400. [[68edo|68EDO]], [[99edo|99EDO]] and [[130edo|130EDO]] can all be used as tunings, but 130 is not only the most accurate, it shows how hemiwürschmidt extends to a higher limit temperament, {{Multival|16 2 5 40 -39 -49 -48 28... | '''Hemiwürschmidt''' (sometimes spelled '''Hemiwuerschmidt'''), which splits the major third in two and uses that for a generator, is the most important of these temperaments even with the rather large complexity for the fifth. It tempers out [[3136/3125]], 6144/6125 and 2401/2400. [[68edo|68EDO]], [[99edo|99EDO]] and [[130edo|130EDO]] can all be used as tunings, but 130 is not only the most accurate, it shows how hemiwürschmidt extends to a higher limit temperament, {{Multival|16 2 5 40 -39 -49 -48 28 …}}. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 3136/3125 | [[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 3136/3125 | ||
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=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 3136/3125 | Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 3136/3125 | ||
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==== 13-limit ==== | ==== 13-limit ==== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 3584/3575 | Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 3584/3575 | ||
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==== Hemithir ==== | ==== Hemithir ==== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273 | Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273 | ||
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=== Hemiwur === | === Hemiwur === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 1375/1372 | Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 1375/1372 | ||
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==== 13-limit ==== | ==== 13-limit ==== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273 | Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273 | ||
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==== Hemiwar ==== | ==== Hemiwar ==== | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 66/65, 105/104, 121/120, 1375/1372 | Comma list: 66/65, 105/104, 121/120, 1375/1372 | ||
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== Relationships to other temperaments == | == Relationships to other temperaments == | ||
2-Würschmidt, the temperament with all the same commas as Würschmidt but a generator of twice the size, is equivalent to [[skwares]] as a 2.3.7.11 temperament. | 2-Würschmidt, the temperament with all the same commas as Würschmidt but a generator of twice the size, is equivalent to [[skwares]] as a 2.3.7.11 temperament. | ||