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The 5-limit parent comma for the '''semicomma family''' is the [[semicomma]], 2109375/2097152 = {{monzo| -21 3 7 }}. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor sixths.
The 5-limit parent comma for the '''semicomma family''' is the [[semicomma]], 2109375/2097152 = {{monzo| -21 3 7 }}. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor sixths.


= Orson =
== Orson ==
'''Orson''', first discovered by [[Erv Wilson]], is the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering out the semicomma. It has a [[generator]] of [[75/64]], which is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo]] or [[84edo]]. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.
'''Orson''', first discovered by [[Erv Wilson]], is the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering out the semicomma. It has a [[generator]] of [[75/64]], which is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo]] or [[84edo]]. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.


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[[Badness]]: 0.040807
[[Badness]]: 0.040807


== Seven limit children ==
=== Seven limit children ===
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65625/65536 (or 225/224) leads to orwell, but we could also add
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65625/65536 (or 225/224) leads to orwell, but we could also add
* 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament (triwell) with wedgie {{multival| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }}, or
* 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament (triwell) with wedgie {{multival| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }}, or
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* 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament (sabric) with wedgie {{multival| 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 }}.
* 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament (sabric) with wedgie {{multival| 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 }}.


= Orwell =
== Orwell ==
{{main| Orwell }}
{{main| Orwell }}


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[[Badness]]: 0.020735
[[Badness]]: 0.020735


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.015231
Badness: 0.015231


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.019718
Badness: 0.019718


=== Blair ===
==== Blair ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.023086
Badness: 0.023086


=== Winston ===
==== Winston ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.019931
Badness: 0.019931


=== Doublethink ===
==== Doublethink ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.027120
Badness: 0.027120


== Newspeak ==
=== Newspeak ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.031438
Badness: 0.031438


== Borwell ==
=== Borwell ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.038377
Badness: 0.038377


= Triwell =
== Triwell ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Badness]]: 0.080575
[[Badness]]: 0.080575


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.029807
Badness: 0.029807


= Quadrawell =
== Quadrawell ==
The ''quadrawell'' temperament (31&212, named by [[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]]) has an [[8/7]] generator of about 232 cents, twelve of which give the fifth harmonic.
The ''quadrawell'' temperament (31&212, named by [[User:Xenllium|Xenllium]]) has an [[8/7]] generator of about 232 cents, twelve of which give the fifth harmonic.


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[[Badness]]: 0.075754
[[Badness]]: 0.075754


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.036493
Badness: 0.036493


= Sabric =
== Sabric ==
The ''sabric'' temperament (53&190, named by [[User:Xenllium]]) tempers out the [[4375/4374|ragisma]], 4375/4374. It is so named because it is closely related to the '''Sabra2 tuning''' (generator: 271.607278 cents).
The ''sabric'' temperament (53&190, named by [[User:Xenllium]]) tempers out the [[4375/4374|ragisma]], 4375/4374. It is so named because it is closely related to the '''Sabra2 tuning''' (generator: 271.607278 cents).


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[[Badness]]: 0.088355
[[Badness]]: 0.088355


= Rainwell =
== Rainwell ==
The ''rainwell'' temperament (31&265, named by [[User:Xenllium]]) tempers out the mirkwai comma, 16875/16807 and the [[rainy comma]], 2100875/2097152.
The ''rainwell'' temperament (31&265, named by [[User:Xenllium]]) tempers out the mirkwai comma, 16875/16807 and the [[rainy comma]], 2100875/2097152.


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Badness: 0.143488
Badness: 0.143488


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11