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Badness: 0.026288
Badness: 0.026288
== Migration ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 81/80, 121/120, 126/125
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 -3 2 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 20 5 }}]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 348.182
Vals: {{Val list| 7d, 24d, 31, 100de, 131bdee, 162bdee }}
Badness: 0.025516
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 66/65, 81/80, 121/120, 126/125
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 -3 2 4 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 20 5 -1 }}]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 348.490
Vals: {{Val list| 7d, 24d, 31, 55d }}
Badness: 0.028071


== Bimeantone ==
== Bimeantone ==
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Scales: [[flattone12]]
Scales: [[flattone12]]


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Scales: [[flattone12]]
Scales: [[flattone12]]
== Ptolemy ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 81/80, 121/120, 525/512
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 8 2 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 -18 5 }}]
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 346.922
Vals: {{Val list| 7, 31dd, 38d, 45e, 83bcddee }}
Badness: 0.058785
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 65/64, 81/80, 105/104, 121/120
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 8 2 6 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 -18 5 -8 }}]
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 346.910
Vals: {{Val list| 7, 31ddf, 38df, 45ef, 83bcddeeff }}
Badness: 0.034316


= Dominant =
= Dominant =
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Vals: {{Val list| 12f, 17c, 29cdef }}
Vals: {{Val list| 12f, 17c, 29cdef }}


Badness: 0.0241
Badness: 0.024108


=== Dominion ===
=== Dominion ===
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POTE generator: ~3/2 = 704.905
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 704.905


Badness: 0.0273
Badness: 0.027295


== Domineering ==
== Domineering ==
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Vals: {{Val list| 5e, 7, 12f, 19df }}
Vals: {{Val list| 5e, 7, 12f, 19df }}
Badness: 0.018289


== Domination ==
== Domination ==
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Vals: {{Val list| 5e, 12e, 17c, 46cd }}
Vals: {{Val list| 5e, 12e, 17c, 46cd }}


Badness: 0.0366
Badness: 0.036562


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
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Vals: {{Val list| 5e, 12e, 17c }}
Vals: {{Val list| 5e, 12e, 17c }}


Badness: 0.0274
Badness: 0.027435


== Arnold ==
== Arnold ==
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Badness: 0.021098
Badness: 0.021098


= Sharptone =
== Maqamic ==
Sharptone is a low-accuracy temperament tempering out 21/20 and 28/27. In sharptone, a 7/4 is a major sixth, a 7/6 a whole tone, and a 7/5 a fourth. Genuinely septimal sounding harmony therefore cannot be expected, but it can be used to translate, more or less, 7-limit JI into 5-limit meantone. [[12edo|12EDO]] tuning does sharptone about as well as such a thing can be done, of course not in its patent val.
<span style="display: block; text-align: right;">[[:de:maqamisch|Deutsch]]</span>
{{main| Maqamic }}
 
Maqamic has a hemififth generator (~11/9) and tempers out 36/35 and 121/120. It makes the most sense if viewed as an adaptive temperament, whereby 7/4 and 9/5 simply share an equivalence class in the resulting scales, but don't need to share a particular tempered "middle-of-the-road" intonation.
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 36/35, 64/63, 121/120
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 4 2 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 -4 5 }}]
 
Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
 
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 350.934
 
Vals: {{Val list| 7, 17c, 24d, 41cd }}
 
Badness: 0.040240
 
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 36/35, 64/63, 66/65, 121/120
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 4 2 4 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 -4 5 -1 }}]
 
Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
 
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 350.816
 
Vals: {{Val list| 7, 17c, 24d, 41cd }}
 
Badness: 0.027214
 
= Sharptone =
Sharptone is a low-accuracy temperament tempering out 21/20 and 28/27. In sharptone, a 7/4 is a major sixth, a 7/6 a whole tone, and a 7/5 a fourth. Genuinely septimal sounding harmony therefore cannot be expected, but it can be used to translate, more or less, 7-limit JI into 5-limit meantone. [[12edo|12EDO]] tuning does sharptone about as well as such a thing can be done, of course not in its patent val.


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
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{{Val list|legend=1| 5, 7d, 12d }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 5, 7d, 12d }}


[[Badness]]: 0.0248
[[Badness]]: 0.024848


== Meanertone ==
== Meanertone ==
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Vals: {{Val list| 5, 7d, 12de }}
Vals: {{Val list| 5, 7d, 12de }}


Badness: 0.0252
Badness: 0.025167


= Plutus =
= Plutus =
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[[POTE generator]]: ~3/2 = 682.895
[[POTE generator]]: ~3/2 = 682.895


{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 37bcccdd, 44bccccdd }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 2cd, 5d, 7 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.0453
[[Badness]]: 0.045275


== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
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POTE generator: ~3/2 = 685.234
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 685.234


Vals: {{Val list| 5de, 7 }}
Vals: {{Val list| 2cde, 5de, 7 }}


Badness: 0.0325
Badness: 0.032521


= Supermean =
= Supermean =
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{{Val list|legend=1| 5d, 12d, 17c, 29c }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 5d, 12d, 17c, 29c }}


[[Badness]]: 0.1342
[[Badness]]: 0.134204


== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
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POTE generator: ~3/2 = 705.096
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 705.096


{{Val list|legend=1| 5de, 12de, 17c, 29c }}
Vals: {{Val list| 5de, 12de, 17c, 29c }}


Badness: 0.0633
Badness: 0.063262


== 13-limit ==
== 13-limit ==
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POTE generator: ~3/2 = 705.094
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 705.094


{{Val list|legend=1| 5de, 12de, 17c, 29c }}
Vals: {{Val list| 5de, 12de, 17c, 29c }}
 
Badness: 0.040324


= Godzilla =
= Godzilla =
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{{Val list|legend=1| 5, 14c, 19 }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 5, 14c, 19 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.0267
[[Badness]]: 0.026747


== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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== Semafour ==
== Semafour ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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== Varan ==
== Varan ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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== Baragon ==
== Baragon ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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{{Val list|legend=1| 19, 24, 43d }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 19, 24, 43d }}


Badness: 0.0357
Badness: 0.035673


= Injera =
= Injera =
Injera has a half-octave period and a generator which can be taken as a fifth or fourth, but also as a 15/14 semitone difference between a half-octave and a perfect fifth. Injera tempers out 50/49, equating 7/5 with 10/7 and giving a tritone of half an octave. A major third up from this tritone is the 7/4. [[38edo]], which is two parallel [[19edo]]s, is an excellent tuning for injera.
Injera has a half-octave period and a generator which can be taken as a fifth or fourth, but also as a 15/14 semitone difference between a half-octave and a perfect fifth. Injera tempers out 50/49, equating 7/5 with 10/7 and giving a tritone of half an octave. A major third up from this tritone is the 7/4. [[38edo]], which is two parallel [[19edo]]s, is an excellent tuning for injera.


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== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,066: Line 1,152:


=== Enjera ===
=== Enjera ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,082: Line 1,167:


== Injerous ==
== Injerous ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,098: Line 1,182:


== Lahoh ==
== Lahoh ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,133: Line 1,216:


{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 17c, 24, 31, 100e, 131bee }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 17c, 24, 31, 100e, 131bee }}
[[Badness]]: 0.0261


Scales: [[mohaha7]], [[mohaha10]]
Scales: [[mohaha7]], [[mohaha10]]


== Mohoho ==
== Mohoho ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11.13


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POTE generator: ~11/9 = 348.9155
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 348.9155


{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 17c, 24, 31, 55, 86ef, 141ceff }}
Vals: {{Val list| 7, 17c, 24, 31, 55, 86ef, 141ceff }}
 
Badness: 0.0261


Scales: [[mohaha7]], [[mohaha10]]
Scales: [[mohaha7]], [[mohaha10]]


= Mohajira =
= Mohajira =
{{main|Mohajira}}
{{main|Mohajira}}


Mohajira can be viewed as derived from mohaha which maps the interval one quarter tone flat of 16/9 to 7/4, although mohajira really makes more sense as an 11-limit temperament. It tempers out 6144/6125, the porwell comma. [[31edo]] makes for an excellent (7-limit) mohajira tuning, with generator 9/31.  
Mohajira can be viewed as derived from mohaha which maps the interval one quarter tone flat of 16/9 to 7/4, although mohajira really makes more sense as an 11-limit temperament. It tempers out 6144/6125, the porwell comma. [[31edo]] makes for an excellent (7-limit) mohajira tuning, with generator 9/31.  
== 7-limit ==


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
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== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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= Mohamaq =
= Mohamaq =
== 7-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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== 13-limit ==
== 13-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Scales: [[mohaha7]], [[mohaha10]]
Scales: [[mohaha7]], [[mohaha10]]


= Migration =
= Orphic =
Migration takes [[#Septimal meantone]] mapping of 7 and [[#Mohaha]] mapping of 11.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Comma list]]: 81/80, 5898240/5764801


Comma list: 81/80, 121/120, 126/125
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 2 1 -4 4 }}, {{val|0 4 16 3 }}]
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 -3 2 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 20 5 }}]
 
Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
 
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 348.182
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 7d, 24d, 31, 100de, 131bdee, 162bdee }}
 
Badness: 0.0255
 
== 13-limit ==
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 66/65, 81/80, 121/120, 126/125
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 -3 2 4 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 20 5 -1 }}]
 
Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
 
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 348.490
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 7d, 24d, 31, 55d }}
 
Badness: 0.0281
 
= Ptolemy =
Ptolemy takes [[#Flattone]] mapping of 7 and [[#Mohaha]] mapping of 11.
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 81/80, 121/120, 525/512
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 8 2 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 -18 5 }}]
 
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 346.922
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 31dd, 38d, 45e, 83bcddee }}
 
Badness: 0.0588
 
== 13-limit ==
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 65/64, 81/80, 105/104, 121/120
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 8 2 6 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 -18 5 -8 }}]
 
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 346.910
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 31ddf, 38df, 45ef, 83bcddeeff }}
 
Badness: 0.0343
 
= Maqamic =
<span style="display: block; text-align: right;">[[:de:maqamisch|Deutsch]]</span>
 
{{main| Maqamic }}
 
Maqamic takes [[#Dominant]] mapping of 7 and [[#Mohaha]] mapping of 11, so it is [[36/35]] that vanishes instead of [[176/175]] as in mohajira. It makes the most sense if viewed as an adaptive temperament, whereby 7/4 and 9/5 simply share an equivalence class in the resulting scales, but don't need to share a particular tempered "middle-of-the-road" intonation.
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
[[Comma list]]: 81/80, 36/35, 121/120
 
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 1 0 4 2 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 -4 5 }}]
 
Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
 
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 350.934
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 17c, 24d, 41cd }}
 
== 13-limit ==
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 81/80, 36/35, 121/120, 144/143
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 0 4 2 4 }}, {{val| 0 2 8 -4 5 -1 }}]
 
Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/9
 
POTE generator: ~11/9 = 350.816
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 17c, 24d, 41cd }}
 
= Orphic =
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 81/80, 5898240/5764801
 
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 2 1 -4 4 }}, {{val|0 4 16 3 }}]


Mapping generators: ~2401/1728, ~343/288
Mapping generators: ~2401/1728, ~343/288
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== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,455: Line 1,428:


== 13-limit ==
== 13-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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= Mothra =
= Mothra =
Mothra splits the fifth into three 8/7 generators. It uses [[1029/1024]], the gamelisma, to accomplish this deed and also tempers out [[1728/1715]], the orwell comma. Using [[31edo]] with a generator of 6/31 is an excellent tuning choice. Once again something other than a MOS should be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra. In the 2.3.7-limit, mothra is identical to [[slendric]].
Mothra splits the fifth into three 8/7 generators. It uses [[1029/1024]], the gamelisma, to accomplish this deed and also tempers out [[1728/1715]], the orwell comma. Using [[31edo]] with a generator of 6/31 is an excellent tuning choice. Once again something other than a MOS should be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra. In the 2.3.7-limit, mothra is identical to [[slendric]].


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== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,516: Line 1,486:


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,532: Line 1,501:


== Cynder ==
== Cynder ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,548: Line 1,516:


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,564: Line 1,531:


== Mosura ==
== Mosura ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,580: Line 1,546:


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,596: Line 1,561:


=== Music ===
=== Music ===
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/16-ET/mothra/20141028_mothra16br4.mp3 Prelude for solo piano in mothra16, brat 4 tuning] by [http://chrisvaisvil.com/prelude-for-solo-piano-in-mothra16-brat-4-tuning/ Chris Vaisvil]
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/16-ET/mothra/20141028_mothra16br4.mp3 Prelude for solo piano in mothra16, brat 4 tuning] by [http://chrisvaisvil.com/prelude-for-solo-piano-in-mothra16-brat-4-tuning/ Chris Vaisvil]


= Squares =
= Squares =
Squares splits the interval of an eleventh, or 8/3, into four supermajor third ([[9/7]]) intervals, and uses it for a generator. [[31edo]], with a generator of 11/31, makes for a good squares tuning, with 8, 11, and 14 note MOS available. Squares tempers out [[2401/2400]], the breedsma, as well as [[2430/2401]].
Squares splits the interval of an eleventh, or 8/3, into four supermajor third ([[9/7]]) intervals, and uses it for a generator. [[31edo]], with a generator of 11/31, makes for a good squares tuning, with 8, 11, and 14 note MOS available. Squares tempers out [[2401/2400]], the breedsma, as well as [[2430/2401]].


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== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,648: Line 1,610:


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,666: Line 1,627:


=== Agora ===
=== Agora ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,684: Line 1,644:


==== 17-limit ====
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


Line 1,700: Line 1,659:


==== 19-limit ====
==== 19-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19


Line 1,716: Line 1,674:


== Cuboctahedra ==
== Cuboctahedra ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,760: Line 1,717:


== Liesel ==
== Liesel ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,793: Line 1,749:


== Elisa ==
== Elisa ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,809: Line 1,764:


== Lisa ==
== Lisa ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,825: Line 1,779:


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,860: Line 1,813:


== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,876: Line 1,828:


== 13-limit ==
== 13-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,892: Line 1,843:


== 17-limit ==
== 17-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


Line 1,908: Line 1,858:


== 19-limit ==
== 19-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19


Line 2,020: Line 1,969:


= Undevigintone =
= Undevigintone =
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 2,033: Line 1,981:
{{Val list|legend=1| 19, 38d }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 19, 38d }}


Badness: 0.0364
Badness: 0.036387


== 13-limit ==
== 13-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 2,047: Line 1,994:
POTE generator: ~11/8 = 537.061
POTE generator: ~11/8 = 537.061


{{Val list|legend=1| 19, 38d }}
Vals: {{Val list| 19, 38df }}


Badness: 0.0229
Badness: 0.022933


[[Category:Regular temperament theory]]
[[Category:Regular temperament theory]]