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For both of these there are more optimal tunings, however. The generating interval for meantone is a fifth, and the fifth of 19-et is flatter than the usual for meantone; a more accurate approximation is [[31edo|31 equal temperament]]. Similarly, the generating interval of magic temperament is a major third, and again 19-et's is flatter; [[41edo|41 equal temperament]] more closely matches it.
For both of these there are more optimal tunings, however. The generating interval for meantone is a fifth, and the fifth of 19-et is flatter than the usual for meantone; a more accurate approximation is [[31edo|31 equal temperament]]. Similarly, the generating interval of magic temperament is a major third, and again 19-et's is flatter; [[41edo|41 equal temperament]] more closely matches it.


However, for all of these 19-et has the practical advantage of requiring fewer pitches, which makes physical realizations of it easier to build. (Many 19-et instruments have been built.) 19-et is in fact the second equal temperament, after 12-et which is able to deal with [[Harmonic Limit|5-limit]] music in a tolerable manner, and is the fifth (after 12) Zeta function integral tuning, http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A117538. It is less successful with 7-limit (but still better than 12-et), as it eliminates the distinction between a septimal minor third (7/6), and a septimal whole tone (8/7).
However, for all of these 19-et has the practical advantage of requiring fewer pitches, which makes physical realizations of it easier to build. (Many 19-et instruments have been built.) 19-et is in fact the second equal temperament, after 12-et which is able to deal with [[Harmonic Limit|5-limit]] music in a tolerable manner, and is the fifth (after 12) Zeta function integral tuning, http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A117538. It is less successful with [[7-limit]] (but still better than 12-et), as it eliminates the distinction between a septimal minor third ([[7_6|7/6]]), and a septimal whole tone ([[8_7|8/7]]).


==Intervals==  
==Intervals==  
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For both of these there are more optimal tunings, however. The generating interval for meantone is a fifth, and the fifth of 19-et is flatter than the usual for meantone; a more accurate approximation is &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo"&gt;31 equal temperament&lt;/a&gt;. Similarly, the generating interval of magic temperament is a major third, and again 19-et's is flatter; &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/41edo"&gt;41 equal temperament&lt;/a&gt; more closely matches it.&lt;br /&gt;
For both of these there are more optimal tunings, however. The generating interval for meantone is a fifth, and the fifth of 19-et is flatter than the usual for meantone; a more accurate approximation is &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo"&gt;31 equal temperament&lt;/a&gt;. Similarly, the generating interval of magic temperament is a major third, and again 19-et's is flatter; &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/41edo"&gt;41 equal temperament&lt;/a&gt; more closely matches it.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, for all of these 19-et has the practical advantage of requiring fewer pitches, which makes physical realizations of it easier to build. (Many 19-et instruments have been built.) 19-et is in fact the second equal temperament, after 12-et which is able to deal with &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Harmonic%20Limit"&gt;5-limit&lt;/a&gt; music in a tolerable manner, and is the fifth (after 12) Zeta function integral tuning, &lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextUrlRule:312:http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A117538 --&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A117538" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A117538&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextUrlRule:312 --&gt;. It is less successful with 7-limit (but still better than 12-et), as it eliminates the distinction between a septimal minor third (7/6), and a septimal whole tone (8/7).&lt;br /&gt;
However, for all of these 19-et has the practical advantage of requiring fewer pitches, which makes physical realizations of it easier to build. (Many 19-et instruments have been built.) 19-et is in fact the second equal temperament, after 12-et which is able to deal with &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Harmonic%20Limit"&gt;5-limit&lt;/a&gt; music in a tolerable manner, and is the fifth (after 12) Zeta function integral tuning, &lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextUrlRule:315:http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A117538 --&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A117538" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A117538&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextUrlRule:315 --&gt;. It is less successful with &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit"&gt;7-limit&lt;/a&gt; (but still better than 12-et), as it eliminates the distinction between a septimal minor third (&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7_6"&gt;7/6&lt;/a&gt;), and a septimal whole tone (&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/8_7"&gt;8/7&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://gewi.uni-graz.at/%7Ecim04/CIM04_paper_pdf/Bucht_Huovinen_CIM04_proceedings.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Bucht, Saku and Huovinen, Erkki, //Perceived consonance of harmonic intervals in 19-tone equal temperament&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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