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::::::::::: One other musicologist advised me to write a new section in the notation site (I don't have time now, if you are interested will find out a link), but I answered that I'm not much interested. First of all, this is not very productive work, a big waste of time. More importantly, I'm the one who clearly understands that the modern idea of notation itself is totally wrong, and it is related to the fact that musicians never had enough understanding of the concepts of abstraction, standards, and the like. There is only one layer between the graphically represented musical text and the instrument, and it is beyond any reason. Apparently, some nesting levels of abstraction are needed. Modern notation is usually considered to abstract out concrete instruments, but this is not true — in essence, this is still the same kind of tabs, tied to the piano, and not to abstract tonal system. I know that many musicians find it unbearable to hear such things, but I know it's true.

:::::::::::: On one level, you are right, but if you trace the origin of the piano system far enough back, you see that the idea for the default group of seven notes goes back to the Romans, who misunderstood the direction of construction and the arrangement of note names when they tried to borrow it from the Ancient Greeks before them. Regardless of whether you are going through the Greeks, the Romans, or a combination of both, one must realize that the Greeks wanted to create a scale based on a chain of 3/2 just perfect fifths, ~~and given~~ the ~~diatonic scale's aforementioned connections to the 3 prime, it's really no surprise that that's what was handed down to us in some form or fashion. The~~ resulting scale ~~consists~~ of the intervals 1/1, 9/8, 81/64, 4/3, 3/2, 27/16, 243/128, and 2/1- the Pythagorean Diatonic Scale. There's a reason that 3-prime-based just intonation is called "Pythagorean tuning" in English after all. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 04:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::::: On one level, you are right, but if you trace the origin of the piano system far enough back, you see that the idea for the default group of seven notes goes back to the Romans, who misunderstood the direction of construction and the arrangement of note names when they tried to borrow it from the Ancient Greeks before them. Regardless of whether you are going through the Greeks, the Romans, or a combination of both, one must realize that the Greeks wanted to create a scale based on a chain of 3/2 just perfect fifths, with the resulting scale consisting of the intervals 1/1, 9/8, 81/64, 4/3, 3/2, 27/16, 243/128, and 2/1- today known as the Pythagorean Diatonic Scale. There's a reason that 3-prime-based just intonation is called "Pythagorean tuning" in English after all. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 04:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

:::::: For the record, if you're interested in advancing your research on Just Intonation, you might want to check out what I'm doing for [[Alpharabian tuning]]. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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 ::::::::::: One other musicologist advised me to write a new section in the notation site (I don't have time now, if you are interested will find out a link), but I answered that I'm not much interested. First of all, this is not very productive work, a big waste of time. More importantly, I'm the one who clearly understands that the modern idea of notation itself is totally wrong, and it is related to the fact that musicians never had enough understanding of the concepts of abstraction, standards, and the like. There is only one layer between the graphically represented musical text and the instrument, and it is beyond any reason. Apparently, some nesting levels of abstraction are needed. Modern notation is usually considered to abstract out concrete instruments, but this is not true &mdash; in essence, this is still the same kind of tabs, tied to the piano, and not to abstract tonal system. I know that many musicians find it unbearable to hear such things, but I know it's true.
-:::::::::::: On one level, you are right, but if you trace the origin of the piano system far enough back, you see that the idea for the default group of seven notes goes back to the Romans, who misunderstood the direction of construction and the arrangement of note names when they tried to borrow it from the Ancient Greeks before them.  Regardless of whether you are going through the Greeks, the Romans, or a combination of both, one must realize that the Greeks wanted to create a scale based on a chain of 3/2 just perfect fifths, and given the diatonic scale's aforementioned connections to the 3 prime, it's really no surprise that that's what was handed down to us in some form or fashion.  The resulting scale consists of the intervals 1/1, 9/8, 81/64, 4/3, 3/2, 27/16, 243/128, and 2/1- the Pythagorean Diatonic Scale.  There's a reason that 3-prime-based just intonation is called "Pythagorean tuning" in English after all. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 04:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::::::: On one level, you are right, but if you trace the origin of the piano system far enough back, you see that the idea for the default group of seven notes goes back to the Romans, who misunderstood the direction of construction and the arrangement of note names when they tried to borrow it from the Ancient Greeks before them.  Regardless of whether you are going through the Greeks, the Romans, or a combination of both, one must realize that the Greeks wanted to create a scale based on a chain of 3/2 just perfect fifths, with the resulting scale consisting of the intervals 1/1, 9/8, 81/64, 4/3, 3/2, 27/16, 243/128, and 2/1- today known as the Pythagorean Diatonic Scale.  There's a reason that 3-prime-based just intonation is called "Pythagorean tuning" in English after all. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 04:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 :::::: For the record, if you're interested in advancing your research on Just Intonation, you might want to check out what I'm doing for [[Alpharabian tuning]]. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)