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::::::::::: Would be good. As I understand, one problem is the lack of notation. Recently, we worked with Braining exchanging the sequences produced by my keyboard, as in microtonal EDOs it was the only notation. I devised something roughly similar to MIDI for the exchange. Yes, I've read on some attempts to establish some generalized notation, but I don't think there is something good enough to accept it. Or do you address this problem?

:::::::::::: So far, I'm assuming that the first task is to create a set of proper interval names- yes, we do need to build on the historical note names for purposes of making our concepts understandable, and for that, I'm taking inspiration from [[SHEFKHED interval names]], and you can see some my work in dealing with quartertones on the [[Alpharabian tuning]] page. I would also recommend attempting to build off of conventional notation for the same reasons, and I do have [[Talk:159edo_notation #My Second Idea for a Notation System|ideas in the works for 159edo notation]]. Yes, judging from what I hear you saying, there's bound to be problems, but since the diatonic scale is fundamental on account of ~~its~~ close ties to the 3 prime, problems related to this are on some level unavoidable. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 04:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::::: So far, I'm assuming that the first task is to create a set of proper interval names- yes, we do need to build on the historical note names for purposes of making our concepts understandable, and for that, I'm taking inspiration from [[SHEFKHED interval names]], and you can see some my work in dealing with quartertones on the [[Alpharabian tuning]] page. I would also recommend attempting to build off of conventional notation for the same reasons, and I do have [[Talk:159edo_notation #My Second Idea for a Notation System|ideas in the works for 159edo notation]]. Yes, judging from what I hear you saying, there's bound to be problems, but since the diatonic scale is fundamental on account of one version's close ties to the 3 prime, problems related to this are on some level unavoidable. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 04:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::: One other musicologist advised me to write a new section in the notation site (I don't have time now, if you are interested will find out a link), but I answered that I'm not much interested. First of all, this is not very productive work, a big waste of time. More importantly, I'm the one who clearly understands that the modern idea of notation itself is totally wrong, and it is related to the fact that musicians never had enough understanding of the concepts of abstraction, standards, and the like. There is only one layer between the graphically represented musical text and the instrument, and it is beyond any reason. Apparently, some nesting levels of abstraction are needed. Modern notation is usually considered to abstract out concrete instruments, but this is not true — in essence, this is still the same kind of tabs, tied to the piano, and not to abstract tonal system. I know that many musicians find it unbearable to hear such things, but I know it's true.

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 :::::::::::  Would be good. As I understand, one problem is the lack of notation. Recently, we worked with Braining exchanging the sequences produced by my keyboard, as in microtonal EDOs it was the only notation. I devised something roughly similar to MIDI for the exchange. Yes, I've read on some attempts to establish some generalized notation, but I don't think there is something good enough to accept it. Or do you address this problem?
-:::::::::::: So far, I'm assuming that the first task is to create a set of proper interval names- yes, we do need to build on the historical note names for purposes of making our concepts understandable, and for that, I'm taking inspiration from [[SHEFKHED interval names]], and you can see some my work in dealing with quartertones on the [[Alpharabian tuning]] page.  I would also recommend attempting to build off of conventional notation for the same reasons, and I do have [[Talk:159edo_notation #My Second Idea for a Notation System|ideas in the works for 159edo notation]].  Yes, judging from what I hear you saying, there's bound to be problems, but since the diatonic scale is fundamental on account of its close ties to the 3 prime, problems related to this are on some level unavoidable. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 04:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::::::: So far, I'm assuming that the first task is to create a set of proper interval names- yes, we do need to build on the historical note names for purposes of making our concepts understandable, and for that, I'm taking inspiration from [[SHEFKHED interval names]], and you can see some my work in dealing with quartertones on the [[Alpharabian tuning]] page.  I would also recommend attempting to build off of conventional notation for the same reasons, and I do have [[Talk:159edo_notation #My Second Idea for a Notation System|ideas in the works for 159edo notation]].  Yes, judging from what I hear you saying, there's bound to be problems, but since the diatonic scale is fundamental on account of one version's close ties to the 3 prime, problems related to this are on some level unavoidable. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 04:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 ::::::::::: One other musicologist advised me to write a new section in the notation site (I don't have time now, if you are interested will find out a link), but I answered that I'm not much interested. First of all, this is not very productive work, a big waste of time. More importantly, I'm the one who clearly understands that the modern idea of notation itself is totally wrong, and it is related to the fact that musicians never had enough understanding of the concepts of abstraction, standards, and the like. There is only one layer between the graphically represented musical text and the instrument, and it is beyond any reason. Apparently, some nesting levels of abstraction are needed. Modern notation is usually considered to abstract out concrete instruments, but this is not true &mdash; in essence, this is still the same kind of tabs, tied to the piano, and not to abstract tonal system. I know that many musicians find it unbearable to hear such things, but I know it's true.