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Now, most music theorists know that Major and Minor intervals are chromatic alterations of one another. Furthermore, we have established that two parachromatic intervals equals a chromatic interval, and we have established that 11/8 is a parachromatic interval. So, what term shall we use to classify 11/8? Well, since "Major" and "Minor" intervals occur when there are two basic intervals of a given diatonic step size, and since we can also observe that Minor and Major relate directly to each other by chromatic alteration, we can thus argue that the term we need for classifying 11/8 that is comprised of the element "Para-" and either the word "Major" or the word "Minor", therefore, we can coin the terms "Paramajor" and "Paraminor". Since 11/8 is higher than the Just Perfect Fourth, that means that we must use the term "Paramajor" to describe 11/8- and since 11/8 is the primary 11-limit interval, we should refer to 11/8 as the "Just Paramajor Fourth". Furthermore, in the same way Major and Minor intervals are octave complements of each other, we can say that Paramajor and Paraminor intervals are octave complements of one another, so therefore, we can say that [[16/11]] is the "Just Paraminor Fifth". This arrangement seems works out very well, as 11/8 and 16/11 are basic intervals in their own right just as 3/2 and 4/3 are, with the name "Just Paramajor Fourth" for 11/8 reflecting how 11/8 is higher than the Just Perfect Fourth by a primary parachromatic quartertone, and the name "Just Paraminor Fifth" reflecting how 16/11 is lower than the Just Perfect Fifth by the same interval. However, it should be remembered that the Paramajor-Paraminor distinction can ultimately be thought of as referring to two different sizes of Fourth and two different sizes of Fifth in the same way that the Major-Minor distinction can be thought of as describing two different sizes of second, as well as two different sizes of third, two different sizes of sixth, and two different sizes of seventh- therefore the Paraminor Fourth and the Paramajor Fifth also exist, with these intervals being [[128/99]] and [[99/64]] respectively. However, we still have yet to cover the terminology for alterations of Major and Minor intervals by 33/32, and the introduction of "Paramajor" and "Paraminor" intervals leaves the question as to what terminology to use on this front for alterations of the Perfect Prime and the Octave.

In answering these questions one should note ~~that, given~~ that the Prime and the Octave are the fundamental intervals in both my system and conventional music systems, ~~and that~~ it doesn't make sense to have dedicated names for intervals that go in the opposite direction from of a given tonality's direction of construction, such as "Paraminor Unison", and since a term like "Paramajor Unison" would imply the existence of the nonsensical "Paraminor Unison" by definition, we can discard the idea of a "Paramajor Unison" also. Therefore, we can reuse the term "Superprime", as well as the terms "Suboctave", and "Superoctave", as the "Super-" and "Sub-" prefixes imply widening and narrowing respectively. ~~Furthermore~~, ~~while terms like these~~ are often associated with the 7-limit, it should be remembered that in this system, the 7-limit versions of these intervals are variations on the standard intervals as opposed to being the standard intervals themselves.

In answering these questions one should note that the Prime and the Octave are the fundamental intervals in both my system and conventional music systems. Furthermore, it doesn't make sense to have dedicated names for intervals that go in the opposite direction from of a given tonality's direction of construction, such as "Paraminor Unison", and, since a term like "Paramajor Unison" would imply the existence of the nonsensical "Paraminor Unison" by definition, we can discard the idea of a "Paramajor Unison" also. Therefore, we can reuse the term "Superprime", as well as the terms "Suboctave", and "Superoctave", as the "Super-" and "Sub-" prefixes imply widening and narrowing respectively. For the same reason, we should additionally use the "Super-" prefix for the augmentation of Major intervals by 33/32, and the dimunition of Minor intervals by 33/32. While the "Super-" and "Sub-" prefixes are often associated with the 7-limit, it should be remembered that in this system, the 7-limit versions of these intervals are variations on the standard intervals as opposed to being the standard intervals themselves. Furthermore, while I have [[User talk:Aura #Getting Started|previously]] advocated for the use of "Parasuper-" and "Parasub-" to refer to these 11-limit intervals, I now realize that such a distinction is largely untenable in light of the the 11-limit's status as a navigational prime, and the higher priority it thus carries over the 7-limit.

For the record, I do use "parasuper" and "parasub" as prefixes not only for the alteration of perfect primes and perfect octaves by 33/32, but also for the augmentation of major intervals and the dimunition of minor intervals by 33/32. Because the dimunition of a major interval by 33/32 does not result in the same interval as does the augmentation of a minor interval by 33/32, especially in those equal divisions of the octave where 243/242 is not tempered out, I use the term "greater neutral" to refer to dimunition of a major interval by 33/32, and the term "lesser neutral" to refer to the augmentation of a minor interval by 33/32. Do note that I use the Pythagorian chain of fifths as a base.

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 Now, most music theorists know that Major and Minor intervals are chromatic alterations of one another.  Furthermore, we have established that two parachromatic intervals equals a chromatic interval, and we have established that 11/8 is a parachromatic interval.  So, what term shall we use to classify 11/8?  Well, since "Major" and "Minor" intervals occur when there are two basic intervals of a given diatonic step size, and since we can also observe that Minor and Major relate directly to each other by chromatic alteration, we can thus argue that the term we need for classifying 11/8 that is comprised of the element "Para-" and either the word "Major" or the word "Minor", therefore, we can coin the terms "Paramajor" and "Paraminor".  Since 11/8 is higher than the Just Perfect Fourth, that means that we must use the term "Paramajor" to describe 11/8- and since 11/8 is the primary 11-limit interval, we should refer to 11/8 as the "Just Paramajor Fourth".  Furthermore, in the same way Major and Minor intervals are octave complements of each other, we can say that Paramajor and Paraminor intervals are octave complements of one another,  so therefore, we can say that [[16/11]] is the "Just Paraminor Fifth".  This arrangement seems works out very well, as 11/8 and 16/11 are basic intervals in their own right just as 3/2 and 4/3 are, with the name "Just Paramajor Fourth" for 11/8 reflecting how 11/8 is higher than the Just Perfect Fourth by a primary parachromatic quartertone, and the name "Just Paraminor Fifth" reflecting how 16/11 is lower than the Just Perfect Fifth by the same interval.  However, it should be remembered that the Paramajor-Paraminor distinction can ultimately be thought of as referring to two different sizes of Fourth and two different sizes of Fifth in the same way that the Major-Minor distinction can be thought of as describing two different sizes of second, as well as two different sizes of third, two different sizes of sixth, and two different sizes of seventh- therefore the Paraminor Fourth and the Paramajor Fifth also exist, with these intervals being [[128/99]] and [[99/64]] respectively.  However, we still have yet to cover the terminology for alterations of Major and Minor intervals by 33/32, and the introduction of "Paramajor" and "Paraminor" intervals leaves the question as to what terminology to use on this front for alterations of the Perfect Prime and the Octave.
-In answering these questions one should note that, given that the Prime and the Octave are the fundamental intervals in both my system and conventional music systems, and that it doesn't make sense to have dedicated names for intervals that go in the opposite direction from of a given tonality's direction of construction, such as "Paraminor Unison", and since a term like "Paramajor Unison" would imply the existence of the nonsensical "Paraminor Unison" by definition, we can discard the idea of a "Paramajor Unison" also.  Therefore, we can reuse the term "Superprime", as well as the terms "Suboctave", and "Superoctave", as the "Super-" and "Sub-" prefixes imply widening and narrowing respectively.  Furthermore, while terms like these are often associated with the 7-limit, it should be remembered that in this system, the 7-limit versions of these intervals are variations on the standard intervals as opposed to being the standard intervals themselves.
+In answering these questions one should note that the Prime and the Octave are the fundamental intervals in both my system and conventional music systems.  Furthermore, it doesn't make sense to have dedicated names for intervals that go in the opposite direction from of a given tonality's direction of construction, such as "Paraminor Unison", and, since a term like "Paramajor Unison" would imply the existence of the nonsensical "Paraminor Unison" by definition, we can discard the idea of a "Paramajor Unison" also.  Therefore, we can reuse the term "Superprime", as well as the terms "Suboctave", and "Superoctave", as the "Super-" and "Sub-" prefixes imply widening and narrowing respectively.  For the same reason, we should additionally use the "Super-" prefix for the augmentation of Major intervals by 33/32, and the dimunition of Minor intervals by 33/32.  While the "Super-" and "Sub-" prefixes are often associated with the 7-limit, it should be remembered that in this system, the 7-limit versions of these intervals are variations on the standard intervals as opposed to being the standard intervals themselves.  Furthermore, while I have [[User talk:Aura #Getting Started|previously]] advocated for the use of "Parasuper-" and "Parasub-" to refer to these 11-limit intervals, I now realize that such a distinction is largely untenable in light of the the 11-limit's status as a navigational prime, and the higher priority it thus carries over the 7-limit.
+For the record, I do use "parasuper" and "parasub" as prefixes not only for the alteration of perfect primes and perfect octaves by 33/32, but also for the augmentation of major intervals and the dimunition of minor intervals by 33/32. Because the dimunition of a major interval by 33/32 does not result in the same interval as does the augmentation of a minor interval by 33/32, especially in those equal divisions of the octave where 243/242 is not tempered out, I use the term "greater neutral" to refer to dimunition of a major interval by 33/32, and the term "lesser neutral" to refer to the augmentation of a minor interval by 33/32. Do note that I use the Pythagorian chain of fifths as a base.
 == Measuring EDO Approximation Quality ==