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Ups and downs can also notate any [[Tour of Regular Temperaments|rank-2 temperament]], although some temperaments require an additional pair of accidentals, lifts and drops (/ and \). In this context, an up or a lift represents sharpening by a [[comma]] that has been tempered, but not tempered out. For example, in [[Porcupine|Triyo aka Porcupine]], an up/down represents raising/lowering by a tempered 81/80, and lifts/drops aren't used. In practice, the two uses of the notation often coincide perfectly. Triyo is supported by both 15edo and 22edo, and both edos map 81/80 to one edostep. Thus if Triyo is tuned to 15edo, an up simultaneously means both a tempered 81/80 and 1\15. Likewise, if tuned to 22-edo, the up means both 81/80 and 1\22. If not tuned to an edo at all, then the up only means 81/80. Thus a piece written in Triyo can be converted to a piece written in 22-edo by simply writing "22-edo" on the top of the page. | Ups and downs can also notate any [[Tour of Regular Temperaments|rank-2 temperament]], although some temperaments require an additional pair of accidentals, lifts and drops (/ and \). In this context, an up or a lift represents sharpening by a [[comma]] that has been tempered, but not tempered out. For example, in [[Porcupine|Triyo aka Porcupine]], an up/down represents raising/lowering by a tempered 81/80, and lifts/drops aren't used. In practice, the two uses of the notation often coincide perfectly. Triyo is supported by both 15edo and 22edo, and both edos map 81/80 to one edostep. Thus if Triyo is tuned to 15edo, an up simultaneously means both a tempered 81/80 and 1\15. Likewise, if tuned to 22-edo, the up means both 81/80 and 1\22. If not tuned to an edo at all, then the up only means 81/80. Thus a piece written in Triyo can be converted to a piece written in 22-edo by simply writing "22-edo" on the top of the page. | ||
'''<u>This page only discusses notation of edos.</u>''' For notation of rank-2 and rank-3 temperaments, see the [[pergen|pergens]] article. For more on edo notation, see the [http://tallkite.com/misc_files/notation%20guide%20for%20edos%205-72.pdf Notation guide for edos 5-72], which also covers chord names, staff notation, key signatures, and scale trees. | |||
==Explanation -- a 22-edo example== | ==Explanation -- a 22-edo example== | ||
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Conventionally, in C you use D# instead of Eb when you have a Gaug chord. You have the freedom to spell your notes how you like, to make your chords look right. Likewise, in 22-edo, Db can be spelled ^C or vB# or even ^^B (double-up B). | Conventionally, in C you use D# instead of Eb when you have a Gaug chord. You have the freedom to spell your notes how you like, to make your chords look right. Likewise, in 22-edo, Db can be spelled ^C or vB# or even ^^B (double-up B). | ||
'''<u>Staff Notation</u>''' | |||
For staff notation, put an up or down to the left of the note and any sharp or flat it might have. Like sharps and flats, an up or down applies to any similar note that follows in the measure. If F is upped, any other F in the same octave inherits the up, but an F# doesn't. Key signatures follow the conventional practice, expanded to allow for double-sharps and double flats in some edos. For example, 19edo has the key of Bbb with a key signature of Bbb Ebb Ab Db Gb Cb Fb. Some edos have upped/downed tonics, e.g. 24-edo has the key of vD with a key signature of F# C# (v). The (v) is a "global down" that downs all 7 notes of the vD scale. For more on staff notation, see the [http://tallkite.com/misc_files/notation%20guide%20for%20edos%205-72.pdf Notation Guide for EDOs 5-72]. | |||
<u>'''Interval arithmetic'''</u> | <u>'''Interval arithmetic'''</u> | ||
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!conventional | !conventional | ||
! colspan="2" |with ups and downs | ! colspan="2" |with ups and downs | ||
!(cancelling) | |||
!(combining) | |||
|- | |- | ||
|interval between two notes | |interval between two notes | ||
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|^C to E = vM3 | |^C to E = vM3 | ||
|C to ^E = ^M3 | |C to ^E = ^M3 | ||
|^C to ^E = M3 | |||
|^C to vE = vvM3 | |||
|- | |- | ||
|note plus an interval | |note plus an interval | ||
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|^C + M3 = ^E | |^C + M3 = ^E | ||
|C + ^M3 = ^E | |C + ^M3 = ^E | ||
|^C + vM3 = E | |||
|^C + ^M3 = ^^E | |||
|- | |- | ||
|sum of two intervals | |sum of two intervals | ||
|M2 + | |M2 + M2 = M3 | ||
|M2 + ^ | |M2 + ^M2 = ^M3 | ||
|vM2 + | |vM2 + M2 = vM3 | ||
|vM2 + ^M2 = M3 | |||
|vM2 + vM2 = vvM3 | |||
|} | |} | ||
==EDOs 12-24 | ==Examples: EDOs 12-24== | ||
''' | '''[[12-edo]]:''' D * E F * G * A * B C * D, 1 key per sharp/flat, ups and downs not needed | ||
D D#/Eb E F F#/Gb G G#/Ab A A#/Bb B C C#/Db D | D D#/Eb E F F#/Gb G G#/Ab A A#/Bb B C C#/Db D | ||
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P1 m2 M2 m3 M3 P4 A4/d5 P5 m6 M6 m7 M7 P8 | P1 m2 M2 m3 M3 P4 A4/d5 P5 m6 M6 m7 M7 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[13-edo|13b-edo]]:''' D E * * * F G A B * * * C D, 2 keys per sharp/flat | ||
with sharp lowering the pitch, and major/aug narrower than minor/dim: | with sharp lowering the pitch, and major/aug narrower than minor/dim: | ||
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P1 M2 ^M2/M3 vm2/^M3 m2/vm3 m3 P4 P5 M6 ^M6/M7 vm6/^M7 m6/vm7 m7 P8 | P1 M2 ^M2/M3 vm2/^M3 m2/vm3 m3 P4 P5 M6 ^M6/M7 vm6/^M7 m6/vm7 m7 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[13-edo|13b-edo]]''' with sharp raising the pitch, and major/aug wider than minor/dim: | ||
D E ^E/Fb vE#/^Fb E#/vF F G A B ^B/Cb vB#/^Cb B#/vC C D | D E ^E/Fb vE#/^Fb E#/vF F G A B ^B/Cb vB#/^Cb B#/vC C D | ||
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P1 m2 ^m2/m3 vM2/^m3 M2/vM3 M3 P4 P5 m6 ^m6/m7 vM6/^m7 M6/vM7 M7 P8 | P1 m2 ^m2/m3 vM2/^m3 M2/vM3 M3 P4 P5 m6 ^m6/m7 vM6/^m7 M6/vM7 M7 P8 | ||
'''[[14-edo]]''': D * E * F * G * A * B * C * D, zero keys per sharp/flat. Because every interval is perfect, the quality can be omitted | |||
D ^D/vE E ^E/vF F ^F/vG G ^G/vA A ^A/vB B ^B/vC C ^C/vD D | D ^D/vE E ^E/vF F ^F/vG G ^G/vA A ^A/vB B ^B/vC C ^C/vD D | ||
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1 ^1/v2 2 ^2/v3 3 ^3/v4 4 ^4/v5 5 ^5/v6 6 ^6/v7 7 ^7/v8 8 | 1 ^1/v2 2 ^2/v3 3 ^3/v4 4 ^4/v5 5 ^5/v6 6 ^6/v7 7 ^7/v8 8 | ||
''' | '''[[15-edo]]:''' D * * E/F * * G * * A * * B/C * * D, 3 keys per sharp/flat | ||
D ^D vE E/F ^F vG G ^G vA A ^A vB B/C ^C vD D | D ^D vE E/F ^F vG G ^G vA A ^A vB B/C ^C vD D | ||
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P1 ^m2 vM2 M2/m3 ^m3 vM3 M3/P4 ^4 v5 P5 ^m6 vM6 M6/m7 ^m7 vM7 P8 | P1 ^m2 vM2 M2/m3 ^m3 vM3 M3/P4 ^4 v5 P5 ^m6 vM6 M6/m7 ^m7 vM7 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[16-edo]]:''' D * E * * F * G * A * B * * C * D, 1 key per sharp/flat, ups and downs not needed | ||
with sharp lowering the pitch, and major/aug narrower than minor/dim: | with sharp lowering the pitch, and major/aug narrower than minor/dim: | ||
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P1 A2 M2 m2/A3 M3 m3 d3/A4 P4 d4/A5 P5 d5/A6 M6 m6/A7 M7 m7 d7 P8 | P1 A2 M2 m2/A3 M3 m3 d3/A4 P4 d4/A5 P5 d5/A6 M6 m6/A7 M7 m7 d7 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[16-edo]]''' with sharp raising the pitch, and major/aug wider than minor/dim: | ||
D D#/Eb E E# Fb F F#/Gb G G#/Ab A A#/Bb B B# Cb C C#/Db D | D D#/Eb E E# Fb F F#/Gb G G#/Ab A A#/Bb B B# Cb C C#/Db D | ||
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P1 d2 m2 M2 m3 M3 A3 P4 A4/d5 P5 d6 m6 M6/d7 m7 M7 A7 P8 | P1 d2 m2 M2 m3 M3 A3 P4 A4/d5 P5 d6 m6 M6/d7 m7 M7 A7 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[17edo]]:''' D * * E F * * G * * A * * B C * * D, 2 keys per sharp/flat | ||
D ^D/Eb D#/vE E F ^F/Gb F#/vG G ^G/Ab G#/vA A ^A/Bb A#/vB B C ^C/Db C#/vD D | D ^D/Eb D#/vE E F ^F/Gb F#/vG G ^G/Ab G#/vA A ^A/Bb A#/vB B C ^C/Db C#/vD D | ||
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P1 ^1/m2 A1/~2 M2 m3 ~3 M3 P4 ^4/d5 A4/v5 P5 m6 ~6 M6 m7 ~7 M7 P8 | P1 ^1/m2 A1/~2 M2 m3 ~3 M3 P4 ^4/d5 A4/v5 P5 m6 ~6 M6 m7 ~7 M7 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[18-edo|18b-edo]]:''' D * E * * * F * G * A * B * * * C * D, 2 keys per sharp/flat | ||
with sharp lowering the pitch, and major/aug narrower than minor/dim: | with sharp lowering the pitch, and major/aug narrower than minor/dim: | ||
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P1 ^P1/vM2 M2 ~2 m2/M3 ~3 m3 ^m3/v4 P4 ^4/v5 P5 ^5/vM6 M6 ~6 m6/M7 ~7 m7 ^m2/d8 P8 | P1 ^P1/vM2 M2 ~2 m2/M3 ~3 m3 ^m3/v4 P4 ^4/v5 P5 ^5/vM6 M6 ~6 m6/M7 ~7 m7 ^m2/d8 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[18-edo|18b-edo]]''' with sharp raising the pitch, and major/aug wider than minor/dim: | ||
D ^D/vE E ^E E#/Fb vF F ^F/vG G ^G/vA A ^A/vB B ^B B#/Cb vC C ^C/vD D | D ^D/vE E ^E E#/Fb vF F ^F/vG G ^G/vA A ^A/vB B ^B B#/Cb vC C ^C/vD D | ||
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P1 ^P1/vm2 m2 ~2 mM2/m3 ~3 M3 ^M3/v4 P4 ^4/v5 P5 ^5/vm6 m6 ~6 M6/m7 ~7 M7 ^M7/d8 P8 | P1 ^P1/vm2 m2 ~2 mM2/m3 ~3 M3 ^M3/v4 P4 ^4/v5 P5 ^5/vm6 m6 ~6 M6/m7 ~7 M7 ^M7/d8 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[19-edo]]:''' D * * E * F * * G * * A * * B * C * * D, 1 key per sharp/flat, ups and downs not needed | ||
D D# Eb E E#/Fb F F# Gb G G# Ab A A# Bb B B#/Cb C C# Db D | D D# Eb E E#/Fb F F# Gb G G# Ab A A# Bb B B#/Cb C C# Db D | ||
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P1 d2 m2 M2 d3 m3 M3 A3 P4 A4 d5 P5 A5 m6 M6 d7 m7 M7 A7 P8 | P1 d2 m2 M2 d3 m3 M3 A3 P4 A4 d5 P5 A5 m6 M6 d7 m7 M7 A7 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[20-edo]]:''' D * * * E/F * * * G * * * A * * * B/C * * * D, 4 keys per sharp/flat | ||
D ^D ^^D/vvE vE E/F ^F ^^F/vvG vG G ^G ^^G/vvA vA A ^A ^^A/vvB vB B/C ^C ^^C/vvD vD D | D ^D ^^D/vvE vE E/F ^F ^^F/vvG vG G ^G ^^G/vvA vA A ^A ^^A/vvB vB B/C ^C ^^C/vvD vD D | ||
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P1/m2 ^m2 ~2 vM2 M2/m3 ^m3 ~3 vM3 M3/P4 ^4 ^^4/vv5 v5 P5/m6 ^m6 ~6 vM6 M6/m7 ^m7 ~7 vM7 P8 | P1/m2 ^m2 ~2 vM2 M2/m3 ^m3 ~3 vM3 M3/P4 ^4 ^^4/vv5 v5 P5/m6 ^m6 ~6 vM6 M6/m7 ^m7 ~7 vM7 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[21-edo]]''': D * * E * * F * * G * * A * * B * * C * * D, zero keys per sharp/flat. Because every interval is perfect, the quality can be omitted | ||
D ^D vE E ^E vF F ^F vG G ^G vA A ^A vB B ^B vC C ^C vD D | D ^D vE E ^E vF F ^F vG G ^G vA A ^A vB B ^B vC C ^C vD D | ||
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1 ^1 v2 2 ^2 v3 3 ^3 v4 4 ^4 v5 5 ^5 v6 6 ^6 v7 7 ^7 v8 8 | 1 ^1 v2 2 ^2 v3 3 ^3 v4 4 ^4 v5 5 ^5 v6 6 ^6 v7 7 ^7 v8 8 | ||
''' | [[22-edo|'''22-edo''']]''':''' D * * * E F * * * G * * * A * * * B C * * * D, 3 keys per sharp/flat | ||
D ^D/Eb vD#/^Eb D#/vE E F ^F/Gb vF#/^Gb F#/vG G ^G/Ab vG#/^Ab G#/vA A etc. | D ^D/Eb vD#/^Eb D#/vE E F ^F/Gb vF#/^Gb F#/vG G ^G/Ab vG#/^Ab G#/vA A etc. | ||
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P1 ^1/m2 A1/^m2 vM2 M2 m3 ^m3 vM3 M3 P4 ^4/d5 vA4/^d5 A4/v5 P5 etc. | P1 ^1/m2 A1/^m2 vM2 M2 m3 ^m3 vM3 M3 P4 ^4/d5 vA4/^d5 A4/v5 P5 etc. | ||
''' | '''[[23-edo]]:''' D * * E * * * F * * G * * A * * B * * * C * * D, 1 key per sharp/flat, ups or downs not needed | ||
with sharp lowering the pitch, and major/aug narrower than minor/dim: | with sharp lowering the pitch, and major/aug narrower than minor/dim: | ||
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P1 d1 A2 M2 m2 d2/A3 M3 m3 d3 A4 P4 d4 A5 P5 d5 A6 M6 m6 d6/A7 M7 m7 d7 A8 P8 | P1 d1 A2 M2 m2 d2/A3 M3 m3 d3 A4 P4 d4 A5 P5 d5 A6 M6 m6 d6/A7 M7 m7 d7 A8 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[23-edo]]''' with sharp raising the pitch, and major/aug wider than minor/dim: | ||
D D# Eb E E# Ex/Fbb Fb F F# Gb G G# Ab A A# Bb B B# Bx/Cbb Cb C C# Db D | D D# Eb E E# Ex/Fbb Fb F F# Gb G G# Ab A A# Bb B B# Bx/Cbb Cb C C# Db D | ||
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P1 A1 d2 m2 M2 A2/d3 m3 M3 A3 d4 P4 A4 d5 P5 A5 d6 m6 M6 A6/d7 m7 M7 A7 d8 P8 | P1 A1 d2 m2 M2 A2/d3 m3 M3 A3 d4 P4 A4 d5 P5 A5 d6 m6 M6 A6/d7 m7 M7 A7 d8 P8 | ||
''' | '''[[24-edo]]:''' C * * * D * * * E * F * * * G * * * A * * * B * C, 2 keys per sharp/flat | ||
C ^C/vDb C#/Db ^C#/vD D ^D/vEb D#/Eb ^D#/vE E ^E/vF F ^F F#/Gb vG G etc. | C ^C/vDb C#/Db ^C#/vD D ^D/vEb D#/Eb ^D#/vE E ^E/vF F ^F F#/Gb vG G etc. | ||
P1 ^1/vm2 A1/m2 ~2 M2 ^M2/vm3 m3 ~3 M3 ^M3/v4 P4 ^4 A4/d5 v5 P5 etc. | P1 ^1/vm2 A1/m2 ~2 M2 ^M2/vm3 m3 ~3 M3 ^M3/v4 P4 ^4 A4/d5 v5 P5 etc. | ||
==Chords and Chord Progressions== | ==Chords and Chord Progressions== | ||
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C vvE G = Cvv = "C double-down" (in EDOs 20, 27, 34, 41, etc., C~ = "C mid", in EDOs 25, 32, 39, 46, etc. C^~ = "C upmid") | C vvE G = Cvv = "C double-down" (in EDOs 20, 27, 34, 41, etc., C~ = "C mid", in EDOs 25, 32, 39, 46, etc. C^~ = "C upmid") | ||
All triads follow a similar pattern. | All triads follow a similar pattern. | ||
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|C2 | |C2 | ||
|Co | |Co | ||
| | |C+ | ||
|- | |- | ||
|3rd | |3rd | ||
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|Cv2 | |Cv2 | ||
|Cvo | |Cvo | ||
| | |Cv+ | ||
|- | |- | ||
|5th | |5th | ||
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|C2(v5) | |C2(v5) | ||
|Co(v5) | |Co(v5) | ||
| | |C+(v5) | ||
|- | |- | ||
|3rd, 5th | |3rd, 5th | ||
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|Cv2(v5) | |Cv2(v5) | ||
|Cvo(v5) | |Cvo(v5) | ||
| | |Cv+(v5) | ||
|} | |} | ||
Many EDOs have notes between the major 3rd and the perfect 4th, creating triads impossible in 12-edo, such as: | Many EDOs have notes between the major 3rd and the perfect 4th, creating triads impossible in 12-edo, such as: | ||
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C D# G = C(A2) or C(#2) = "C aug-two" or "C sharp-two" | C D# G = C(A2) or C(#2) = "C aug-two" or "C sharp-two" | ||
Care must be taken in pronouncing the latter of the two names, that C(#2) doesn't sound like C#2 | Care must be taken in pronouncing the latter of the two names, that C(#2) doesn't sound like C#2, which is C# D# G#. | ||
<u>'''Sixth and seventh chords:'''</u> | <u>'''Sixth and seventh chords:'''</u> | ||
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C vE G vBb = Cv7 = "C down seven" | C vE G vBb = Cv7 = "C down seven" | ||
All 7th chords follow this same pattern. Likewise, if a 6th is not a P4 or A4 above the 3rd, it's an "add-6" chord. Permitting add-7 chords has the added benefit that the wordy "minor-7 flat-5" can be replaced with the more concise "dim add-7", written Co,7. "Half-dim" can still be used, e.g. C uphalf-dim is C ^Eb Gb ^Bb. But half-dim is problematic because the slash-circle abbreviation for half-dim is | All 7th chords follow this same pattern. Likewise, if a 6th is not a P4 or A4 above the 3rd, it's an "add-6" chord. Permitting add-7 chords has the added benefit that the wordy "minor-7 flat-5" can be replaced with the more concise "dim add-7", written Co,7. "Half-dim" can still be used, e.g. C uphalf-dim is C ^Eb Gb ^Bb. But half-dim is problematic because the slash-circle abbreviation for half-dim is hard to type. | ||
In the table below, if a chord is '''bolded''', the comma must be spoken as "add". | In the table below, if a chord is '''bolded''', the comma must be spoken as "add". | ||
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|Cvm6(v5) | |Cvm6(v5) | ||
|} | |} | ||
More examples: | |||
C | C vE G ^Bb = Cv,^7 = "C down up-seven" (in EDOs 17, 24, 31, etc. C~7 = "C mid-seven") | ||
C E G A# = C,#6 or C,A6 = "C add sharp-six" or "C add aug-six" | C E G A# = C,#6 or C,A6 = "C add sharp-six" or "C add aug-six" | ||
C | C E G Ab = C,b6 or C,m6 = "C add flat-six" or "C add minor-six" | ||
C E G Bbb = C,d7 or C,bb7 = "C add dim-seven" or "C add double-flat-seven" (19-edo's 4:5:6:7 chord) | C E G Bbb = C,d7 or C,bb7 = "C add dim-seven" or "C add double-flat-seven" (19-edo's 4:5:6:7 chord) | ||
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''Question: What to do when the 3rd is downed but the 7th isn't? Is it a down chord with an added 7th, or a 7th chord with a downed 3rd?'' | ''Question: What to do when the 3rd is downed but the 7th isn't? Is it a down chord with an added 7th, or a 7th chord with a downed 3rd?'' | ||
''Question: How to name 6/9 chords?'' | |||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|+ | |+ | ||
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|C9(v3) | |C9(v3) | ||
|Cm9(v3) | |Cm9(v3) | ||
|'''Cv,7b9''' | |'''Cv,7b9''' | ||
|'''Cv,6,9?''' | |'''Cv,6,9?''' | ||
|'''Cvm,6,9?''' | |'''Cvm,6,9?''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
|6th/7th | |6th/7th | ||
| ---- | | ------ | ||
|CM9(v7) | |CM9(v7) | ||
|C9(v7) | |C9(v7) | ||
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|- | |- | ||
|3rd, 6th/7th | |3rd, 6th/7th | ||
| --- | | ------ | ||
|CvM9 | |CvM9 | ||
|Cv9 | |Cv9 | ||
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|- | |- | ||
|6th/7th, 9th | |6th/7th, 9th | ||
| --- | | ------ | ||
|'''C,vM7v9''' | |'''C,vM7v9''' | ||
|'''C,v7v9''' | |'''C,v7v9''' | ||
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|- | |- | ||
|3rd, 6th/7th, 9th | |3rd, 6th/7th, 9th | ||
| --- | | ------ | ||
|CvM7,v9 | |CvM7,v9 | ||
|Cv7,v9 | |Cv7,v9 | ||
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|C9(v3v5) | |C9(v3v5) | ||
|Cm9(v3v5) | |Cm9(v3v5) | ||
|Cv(v5)7b9 | |Cv(v5)7b9 | ||
|Cv(v5)6,9 | |Cv(v5)6,9 | ||
|Cvm(v5)6,9 | |Cvm(v5)6,9 | ||
|- | |- | ||
|5th, 6th/7th | |5th, 6th/7th | ||
| --- | | ------ | ||
|CM9(v5v7) | |CM9(v5v7) | ||
|C9(v5v7) | |C9(v5v7) | ||
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|- | |- | ||
|3rd, 5th, 6th/7th | |3rd, 5th, 6th/7th | ||
| --- | | ------ | ||
|CvM9(v5) | |CvM9(v5) | ||
|Cv9(v5) | |Cv9(v5) | ||
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|- | |- | ||
|5th, 6th/7th, 9th | |5th, 6th/7th, 9th | ||
| --- | | ------ | ||
|C(v5)vM7v9 | |C(v5)vM7v9 | ||
|C(v5)v7v9 | |C(v5)v7v9 | ||
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|- | |- | ||
|3rd, 5th, 6th/7th, 9th | |3rd, 5th, 6th/7th, 9th | ||
| --- | | ------ | ||
|CvM7(v5)v9 | |CvM7(v5)v9 | ||
|Cv7(v5)v9 | |Cv7(v5)v9 | ||
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|Cvm6(v5)v9 | |Cvm6(v5)v9 | ||
|} | |} | ||
==Cross-EDO considerations== | ==Cross-EDO considerations== | ||