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is 53 & 94 & 217, with mapping {{Mapping|1 0 0 25 -33 -13|0 1 0 -14 23 12|0 0 1 0 0 -1}}. It's otherwise known by in the wiki as ''[[cassaschismic]]'' (tad less rambly), also [[User:Eufalesio/Important Tables#Temperament properties of Ultimate edos (I care about)|here (data dump)]]; but we will simply call it '''Ultimate'''. | is 53 & 94 & 217, with mapping {{Mapping|1 0 0 25 -33 -13 47 -6|0 1 0 -14 23 12 -30 5|0 0 1 0 0 -1 2 1}} in the [[19-limit]]. It's otherwise known by in the wiki as ''[[cassaschismic]]'' (tad less rambly), also [[User:Eufalesio/Important Tables#Temperament properties of Ultimate edos (I care about)|here (data dump)]]; but we will simply call it '''Ultimate'''. The choice of name will become clear. Or at least, I expect you to understand why it's clear in my mind. | ||
Special thanks for [[Kite Giedraitis]] for feedback and edits, for [[Godtone]] (osmium) for teaching me [[S-expression|S-expressions]], and for [[Flora Canou]] for helping me document and put the temperaments up to standards. | Special thanks for [[Kite Giedraitis]] for feedback and edits, for [[Godtone]] (osmium) for teaching me [[S-expression|S-expressions]], and for [[Flora Canou]] for helping me document and put the temperaments up to standards. | ||
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Ultimate has the following notable equations: | Ultimate has the following notable equations: | ||
* [[Apotome]] = [[77/72]] (salozoma tempered out) | * [[Apotome]] = [[77/72|~77/72]] (salozoma tempered out) | ||
* [[77/72]] = [[27/26]] * [[36/35]] (eufalesma tempered out) | * [[77/72|~77/72]] = [[27/26|~27/26]] * [[36/35|~36/35]] (eufalesma tempered out) | ||
* [[Pythagorean comma|Poma]] = [[64/63]] (sasaruma tempered out) | * [[Pythagorean comma|Poma]] = [[64/63|~64/63]] (sasaruma tempered out) | ||
* 2 pomas = [[33/32]] (salururuma tempered out) | * 2 pomas = [[33/32|~33/32]] (salururuma tempered out) | ||
* [[36/35]] = [[1053/1024]] (minisma tempered out) | * [[36/35|~36/35]] = [[1053/1024|~1053/1024]] (minisma tempered out) | ||
* 35/34 = 36/35 (subizoyoma tempered out) | * [[35/34|~35/34]] = [[36/35|~36/35]] (subizoyoma tempered out) | ||
* [[32/27]] = [[11/10]] * [[14/13]] (sinaisma tempered out) | * [[32/27|~32/27]] = [[11/10|~11/10]] * [[14/13|~14/13]] (sinaisma tempered out) | ||
* [[5120/5103]] = [[513/512]] (sanoguma tempered out) | * [[5120/5103|~5120/5103]] = [[513/512|~513/512]] (sanoguma tempered out) | ||
et cetera... | et cetera... Ultimate is much, much better only in the [[2.3.5.7.11.13.19 subgroup|yathalazana]], but it still manages to make a decent, albeit complex mapping. | ||
The [[pergen]] is (P8, P5, ^1), where ^1 is the "minicomma" (from this point forward refered to as "MC"); a 3~5c interval that represents 385/384, 352/351, 5120/5103, 513/512, the layoma, etc. 4:5:6:7:9:11:13:15:17:19 octave reduced is notated as: | The [[pergen]] is (P8, P5, ^1), where ^1 is the "minicomma" (from this point forward refered to as "MC"); a 3~5c interval that represents 385/384, 352/351, 5120/5103, 513/512, the layoma, etc. 4:5:6:7:9:11:13:15:17:19 octave reduced is notated as: | ||
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* No other edo in their vicinity is as good as them. | * No other edo in their vicinity is as good as them. | ||
Beyond that, I see no reason to use edos. | Beyond that, I see no reason to use edos. The sequence still continues beyond Ultimate... in which a more appropiate name would be the ULTRAOLYMPIC sequence. | ||
270edo and 311edo inherit a chain of fifths that is consistent with cassandra, which itself is an extension of the circle of fifths. The only addition is a single edostep, and respectively, the entire 13-limit is tuned to unfathomable precision, and the 41-limit is fully accessible and very well tuned. However, I prefer sticking to the 13-limit, so 270edo is the best equal tuning. | 270edo and 311edo inherit a chain of fifths that is consistent with cassandra, which itself is an extension of the circle of fifths. The only addition is a single edostep, and respectively, the entire 13-limit is tuned to unfathomable precision, and the 41-limit is fully accessible and very well tuned. However, I prefer sticking to the 13-limit, so 270edo is the best equal tuning. | ||
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==== 94 ==== | ==== 94 ==== | ||
Best cassandra tuning. Since the chain takes much longer to close, a [[Buzzardsma|buzzardma]] can be used (the difference between | Best cassandra tuning. Since the chain takes much longer to close, a [[Buzzardsma|buzzardma (saquaruma)]] can be used (the difference between four 64/63 and a minor second; equated in 94edo with a half-poma). This tuning is optimal and technically usable in the Lumatone, but only as a subset, requiring more than one preset to reach within the [[Standard Lumatone mapping for Pythagorean]]. | ||
The cassandra layout can be used in a guitar with the [[skip fretting system 94 7 16]]. However, in a 6-string guitar there will be no other unisons. Note that 94edo is already quite fine for most real instruments, and though its step is very much discernible, human error can begin to slip pitches into the wrong edostep even in very skilled musicians. | The cassandra layout can be used in a guitar with the [[skip fretting system 94 7 16]]. However, in a 6-string guitar there will be no other unisons. Note that 94edo is already quite fine for most real instruments, and though its step is very much discernible, human error can begin to slip pitches into the wrong edostep even in very skilled musicians. | ||
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==== 270 ==== | ==== 270 ==== | ||
Peak | Peak. 270edo could be approached with a 2D layout using [[decoid]] layout though this is hard to do on the Lumatone, having diagonal octaves that are very far apart... Just as 217edo, it can be approached using a subset, namely 27edo, but that's not Ultimate. That's [[ennealimmal]]. | ||
==== 311 ==== | ==== 311 ==== | ||
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It's possible to use Gariwizmic wholesale, though it only slightly improves 270edo in precision, Newt is a much better choice for accuracy's sake, though 94edo does ''not'' support it. Gariwizmic provides structure, not necessarily the tuning. | It's possible to use Gariwizmic wholesale, though it only slightly improves 270edo in precision, Newt is a much better choice for accuracy's sake, though 94edo does ''not'' support it. Gariwizmic provides structure, not necessarily the tuning. | ||
== Beyond Ultimate == | == Beyond Ultimate - the ULTRAOLYMPIC sequence == | ||
There's a reason why I deem Ultimate ultimate. You're supposed to end there and go no further, because Ultimate is right at the limit of practicality. If you're stubborn enough to ignore my warnings and venture into the land of impossible... I still know how you can continue the sequence and add extra pairs of accidentals that are fully retrocompatible. | There's a reason why I deem Ultimate ultimate. You're supposed to end there and go no further, because Ultimate is right at the limit of practicality. If you're stubborn enough to ignore my warnings and venture into the land of impossible... I still know how you can continue the into the ULTRAOLYMPIC sequence and add extra pairs of accidentals that are fully retrocompatible with Ultimate. | ||
=== Olympic === | === Olympic - Metaolympic === | ||
[[Olympic|This]]. The best course of action for detempering Ultimate is to observe the garischisma, resulting in rank-4 olympic, which is just {S64, S65}. Notationwise, this results in spliting the saruyoma being observed. Unlike in JI, where the schisma is around half the garischisma, here the schisma is ~1.6x LARGER, not smaller. A [[10241/10240|tina (~10241/10240)]] is required to reach prime 17 and 19. | [[Olympic|This]]. The best course of action for detempering Ultimate is to observe the garischisma, resulting in rank-4 olympic, which is just {S64, S65}. Notationwise, this results in spliting the saruyoma being observed. Unlike in JI, where the schisma is around half the garischisma, here the schisma is ~1.6x LARGER, not smaller. A [[10241/10240|tina (~10241/10240)]] is required to reach prime 17 and 19. | ||
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* v⇈ is 1053/1024. | * v⇈ is 1053/1024. | ||
It's something I don't think I'll ever see myself doing because this accuracy is enough to represent highly fine edos such as 494, 764, or 935edo, which is already too much for me. Extensions to the 19-limit are bad: the strong one keeps 1729/1728 and 1216/1215, [[Catalog of rank-4 temperaments#Metaolympic|'''Meta'''olympic]] works, and though it's a weak extension; it can still be written retrocompatibly. | |||
Here, 19/16 is †|\m3. 17/16 is 𐕣^|\'''⇊⇊'''M2. (|\ is a schisma up, † is a heavily inflated tina) | Here, 19/16 is †|\m3. 17/16 is 𐕣^|\'''⇊⇊'''M2. (|\ is a schisma up, † is a heavily inflated tina) | ||
=== Insanismic === | === Insanismic - Insatinismic === | ||
Olympic STILL not enough? Split your losses and use [[5767168/5767125|{S64/S65}]]. Now you observe the olympia and get a schismina accidental. | Olympic STILL not enough? Split your losses and use [[5767168/5767125|{S64/S65}]]. Now you observe the olympia and get a schismina accidental. | ||
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* v⇈̇ is 1053/1024 whilst v⇈ is 36/35. | * v⇈̇ is 1053/1024 whilst v⇈ is 36/35. | ||
Insanismic is at a level of precision comparable to 8539edo and much, MUCH finer. The people at sagittal.org had already declared its own version of this notation to be of "Insane" precision. Personally, ''insane'' is way too nice of a descriptor. This is is beyond your grasp of perfection, trust me. | |||
With an average tuning error of -0.000234c, let's be frank, this is JI. Approachable, thanks to it being | With an average tuning error of -0.000234c, let's be frank, this is JI. Approachable, thanks to it being the end of the ULTRAOLYMPIC sequence and thus retrocompatible; obsessive, but approachable nontheless. You are quite frankly, batshit insane if you require this precision, but I still give you the tools to express that insanity. | ||
Wouldn't I be also batshit insane by having researched it? No. I know I won't use it. But, knowing about it is important; how much '''JI'''uice I can squeeze out of 12edo... taking it to insanity? Well, '''here''' is the answer! | Wouldn't I be also batshit insane by having researched it? No. I know I won't use it. But, knowing about it is important; how much '''JI'''uice I can squeeze out of 12edo... taking it to insanity? Well, '''here''' is the answer! | ||
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Look how goddamn accurate this temp is! Look, I even made a technical temp data section! [expandable] Many thanks to Flora Canou for help with all the temp stuff... she's the real heroine here behind the numbers. | Look how goddamn accurate this temp is! Look, I even made a technical temp data section! [expandable] Many thanks to Flora Canou for help with all the temp stuff... she's the real heroine here behind the numbers. | ||
=== Insanismic AKA Batshit === | === Insanismic AKA Batshit (temperament) === | ||
I'm aware temps can't have NSFW names. "Insanismic" is the SFW, clean term. The one for the front page. The ''correct'' mask. | I'm aware temps can't have NSFW names. "Insanismic" is the SFW, clean term. The one for the front page. The ''correct'' mask. | ||
But know: the ''real'' name is '''batshit.''' Because that's what this temperament is. Batshit insane | But know: the ''real'' name is '''batshit.''' Because that's what this temperament is. Batshit insane! Yes, I like crude, evocative names. The English language has a beautiful expression for this special obsession that I will not '''not''' use. The unfathomable precision it bestows. The madness that ensues upon the search of perfection. Here is perfection! GO CRAZY!{{Databox|1=Temperament data|2=[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
[[Comma list]]: [[5767168/5767125]] | [[Comma list]]: [[5767168/5767125]] | ||
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To recap: 12edo (apotomes), Cassandra (+pomas), Ultimate (+saruyomas), Olympic (+sasarumas), {S64/S65} (+ | To recap: 12edo (apotomes), Cassandra (+pomas), Ultimate (+saruyomas), Olympic (+sasarumas), {S64/S65} (+minas + tinas). | ||
== Nomenclature and notation == | == Nomenclature and notation == | ||
This notation can be easily spoken as well as written, adapting Kite's color notation and ups and downs into a nice collage. At least, the part of Ultimate. For the things beyond Ultimate I <s>stole</s> borrowed some Sagittal nomenclature of the Magrathean symbol set that had the same comma functions. Behold! | This notation can be easily spoken as well as written, adapting Kite's color notation and ups and downs into a nice collage. At least, the part of Ultimate. For the things beyond Ultimate I <s>stole</s> borrowed some Sagittal nomenclature of the Magrathean symbol set that had the same comma functions. Behold! | ||
[[File:ULTRAOLYMPIANsymbolset.jpg|center|thumb|960x960px|The name of this notation is henceforth the ULTRAOLYMPIC notation, and the main 4 systems.Metaolympic would go in the middle of Ultimate and Batshit, with tinas but without mina accidentals. Not included since it ''kinda'' breaks the sequence.]] | [[File:ULTRAOLYMPIANsymbolset.jpg|center|thumb|960x960px|The name of this notation is henceforth the ULTRAOLYMPIC notation, and the main 4 systems. Metaolympic would go in the middle of Ultimate and Batshit, with tinas but without mina accidentals. Not included since it ''kinda'' breaks the sequence.]] | ||
=== Easy tables === | === Easy tables === | ||
These are all the accidentals you need to know to write in Ultimate, and even beyond it. For most cases, there is no need to go beyond two of anything, in the case of pomas however, you can end up using three or even more if you don't respell enharmonically with | These are all the accidentals you need to know to write in Ultimate, and even beyond it. For most cases, there is no need to go beyond two of anything, in the case of pomas however, you can end up using three or even more if you don't respell enharmonically with saquarumas, or go too far down the chain of fifths. | ||
One instance is writing 5/4 above a 16/11, which is 20/11. Above a C, this is '''⇊'''G - ^'''↓⇊'''B. | One instance is writing 5/4 above a 16/11, which is 20/11. Above a C, this is '''⇊'''G - ^'''↓⇊'''B. | ||
A phonetic coding proposal and the alterations for written text are: | |||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|+ | |+ | ||
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(ASCII) | (ASCII) | ||
! colspan="9" |Ultimate | ! colspan="9" |Ultimate | ||
! colspan="6" | | ! colspan="6" |ULTRAOLYMPIC | ||
|- | |- | ||
!Natural | !Natural | ||
! colspan="2" |Apotome | ! colspan="2" |Apotome | ||
! colspan="2" |Poma/Ruma | ! colspan="2" |Poma/Ruma | ||
! colspan="2" |[[Buzzardsma| | ! colspan="2" |[[Buzzardsma|Saquaruma*]] | ||
! colspan="4" |<small><nowiki>Saruyoma - Sasaruma | Layoma</nowiki></small> | ! colspan="4" |<small><nowiki>Saruyoma - Sasaruma | Layoma</nowiki></small> | ||
! colspan="2" | | ! colspan="2" |Mina | ||
! colspan="2" |Tina | ! colspan="2" |Tina | ||
|- | |- | ||
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|sesquidim | |sesquidim | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki>*</nowiki>Not strictly necessary, but it does simplify notation immensely. The | <nowiki>*</nowiki>Not strictly necessary, but it does simplify notation immensely. The saquaruma equals the mercator comma in Ultimate (also being tempered out in 53edo), but not beyond it. It is useful for ultra-long chains of fifths and notating p17, which requires at least four rumas. It follows the following equation: ⇈⇈P1 = mm2, ⇈⇈m2 = m'''↓'''M2; 17/16 is then |\^μ↑m2. | ||
<big>Of course, you can use whatever phonetic coding you want, as long as it's not ''too bespoke''. IFYKYK.</big> | <big>Of course, you can use whatever phonetic coding you want, as long as it's not ''too bespoke''. IFYKYK.</big> | ||