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== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
39edo's [[3/2|perfect fifth]] is 5.8{{c}} sharp. Together with its best [[5/4|classical major third]] which is the familiar 400{{c}} of [[12edo]]. We have two choices for a | 39edo's [[3/2|perfect fifth]] is 5.8{{c}} sharp. Together with its best [[5/4|classical major third]] which is the familiar 400{{c}} of [[12edo]]. We have two choices for a tuning of [[7/1|7]]. The sharp one yields [[superpyth]] temperament, while the flat (patent) one yields [[semaphore]] (and also [[hemifamity]]) temperament. | ||
As a [[superpyth]] system, 39edo is intermediate between [[17edo]] and [[22edo]] {{nowrap|(39 {{=}} 17 + 22)}}; its fifth thus falls in the "shrub region" where the diatonic thirds are between standard neogothic thirds and septimal thirds. The specific 7-limit variant supported by | As a [[superpyth]] system, 39edo is intermediate between [[17edo]] and [[22edo]] {{nowrap|(39 {{=}} 17 + 22)}}; its fifth thus falls in the "shrub region" where the diatonic thirds are between standard neogothic thirds and septimal thirds. The specific 7-limit variant supported by 39d is [[quasisuper]]. Alternatively, it can be seen as a [[hemifamity]] semaphore (that is, immunity) system in the patent val. While 17edo is superb for melody (as documented by [[George Secor]]), it does not approximate the 5th harmonic at all and only poorly approximates the 7th. 22edo is much better for 5-limit and 7-limit harmony but is less effective for melody assuming that the MOS diatonic is used, because the [[diatonic semitone]] is [[quartertone]]-sized. 39edo offers a compromise, since it still supports good 5- and 7-limit harmonies (though less close than 22edo), while at the same time having a diatonic semitone of 61.5 cents, as the ideal diatonic semitone for melody is somewhere in between 60 and 80 cents, i.e. a third tone, by Secor's estimates. | ||
Alternatively, if we take 22\39 as a fifth, 39edo can be used as a tuning of [[mavila]], and from that point of view it seems to have attracted the attention of the [[Armodue]] school, an Italian group that use the scheme of [[7L 2s|superdiatonic]] LLLsLLLLs like a base scale for notation and theory, suited in [[16edo]], and allied systems: [[25edo]] [1/3-tone 3;2]; [[41edo]] [1/5-tone 5;3]; and [[57edo]] [1/7-tone 7;4]. The [[hornbostel]] temperament is included too with: [[23edo]] [1/3-tone 3;1]; 39edo [1/5-tone 5;2] & [[62edo]] [1/8-tone 8;3]. The mavila fifth in 39edo like all mavila fifths is very, very flat, in this case, 25{{c}} flat. | Alternatively, if we take 22\39 as a fifth, 39edo can be used as a tuning of [[mavila]], and from that point of view it seems to have attracted the attention of the [[Armodue]] school, an Italian group that use the scheme of [[7L 2s|superdiatonic]] LLLsLLLLs like a base scale for notation and theory, suited in [[16edo]], and allied systems: [[25edo]] [1/3-tone 3;2]; [[41edo]] [1/5-tone 5;3]; and [[57edo]] [1/7-tone 7;4]. The [[hornbostel]] temperament is included too with: [[23edo]] [1/3-tone 3;1]; 39edo [1/5-tone 5;2] & [[62edo]] [1/8-tone 8;3]. The mavila fifth in 39edo like all mavila fifths is very, very flat, in this case, 25{{c}} flat. | ||
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=== As a tuning of other temperaments === | === As a tuning of other temperaments === | ||
39edo, with its 400{{c}} major third, [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[diesis]] (128/125), and using the 39d val, the septimal comma, [[64/63]], as well as [[126/125]] are added to the comma list. In the 11-limit we find that the equal temperament tempers out [[99/98]] and [[121/120]]. Tempering out both 128/125 and 64/63 makes 39et, in some few ways, allied to [[12edo|12et]] in [[support]]ing [[augene]], and is in fact, an excellent choice for a 7-limit augene tuning. It also tempers out the [[amity comma]] (1600000/1594323), and supports the variant of amity known as [[accord]]. | 39edo, with its 400{{c}} major third, [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[diesis]] (128/125), and using the 39d val, the septimal comma, [[64/63]], as well as [[126/125]] are added to the comma list. Alternatively, the patent val tempers out 49/48 to yield semaphore. In the 11-limit we find that the equal temperament tempers out [[99/98]] and [[121/120]]. Tempering out both 128/125 and 64/63 makes 39et, in some few ways, allied to [[12edo|12et]] in [[support]]ing [[augene]], and is in fact, an excellent choice for a 7-limit augene tuning. It also tempers out the [[amity comma]] (1600000/1594323), and supports the variant of amity known as [[accord]]. | ||
=== Subsets and supersets === | === Subsets and supersets === | ||
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{| class="wikitable center-all right-2 left-3 right-9 right-10" | {| class="wikitable center-all right-2 left-3 right-9 right-10" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! Steps | ! rowspan="2" | Steps | ||
! Cents | ! rowspan="2" | Cents | ||
! Approximate ratios | ! rowspan="2" | Approximate ratios (2.3.5.11) | ||
! colspan="3" | [[Ups and downs notation]] | ! colspan="2" |Intervals of 7 | ||
! colspan="3" | [[Nearest just interval]] <br>(Ratio, cents, error) | ! colspan="3" rowspan="2" | [[Ups and downs notation]] | ||
! colspan="3" rowspan="2" | [[Nearest just interval]] <br>(Ratio, cents, error) | |||
|- | |||
!Patent val | |||
!Superpyth (39d) val | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
| 0.0 | | 0.0 | ||
| [[1/1]] | | [[1/1]] | ||
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| | |||
| P1 | | P1 | ||
| perfect unison | | perfect unison | ||
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| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 30.8 | | 30.8 | ||
| | | [[55/54]], [[81/80]] | ||
|''28/27,'' 64/63 | |||
|''[[36/35]],'' [[50/49]]'', [[56/55]]'' | |||
| ^1, <br>vm2 | | ^1, <br>vm2 | ||
| up unison, <br>downminor 2nd | | up unison, <br>downminor 2nd | ||
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| 2 | | 2 | ||
| 61.5 | | 61.5 | ||
| [[ | | [[33/32]] | ||
|''21/20,'' 36/35 | |||
|[[28/27]], ''[[49/48]]'' | |||
| m2 | | m2 | ||
| minor 2nd | | minor 2nd | ||
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| 3 | | 3 | ||
| 92.3 | | 92.3 | ||
| ''[[16/15]]'', [[ | | ''[[16/15]]'', ''[[25/24]]'' | ||
|''50/49'' | |||
|[[21/20]] | |||
| ^m2 | | ^m2 | ||
| upminor 2nd | | upminor 2nd | ||
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| 4 | | 4 | ||
| 123.1 | | 123.1 | ||
| [[15/14]] | | | ||
| | |||
|[[15/14]] | |||
| ^^m2 | | ^^m2 | ||
| dupminor 2nd | | dupminor 2nd | ||
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| 153.8 | | 153.8 | ||
| [[11/10]], [[12/11]] | | [[11/10]], [[12/11]] | ||
|''15/14'' | |||
| | |||
| vvM2 | | vvM2 | ||
| dudmajor 2nd | | dudmajor 2nd | ||
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| 184.6 | | 184.6 | ||
| [[10/9]] | | [[10/9]] | ||
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| | |||
| vM2 | | vM2 | ||
| downmajor 2nd | | downmajor 2nd | ||
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| 7 | | 7 | ||
| 215.4 | | 215.4 | ||
| [[9/8]] | | [[9/8]] | ||
| | |||
|''[[8/7]]'' | |||
| M2 | | M2 | ||
| major 2nd | | major 2nd | ||
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| 8 | | 8 | ||
| 246.2 | | 246.2 | ||
| [[81/70]] | | | ||
|8/7, ''7/6'' | |||
|[[81/70]] | |||
| ^M2, <br>vm3 | | ^M2, <br>vm3 | ||
| upmajor 2nd, <br>downminor 3rd | | upmajor 2nd, <br>downminor 3rd | ||
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| 9 | | 9 | ||
| 276.9 | | 276.9 | ||
| [[7/6]] | | | ||
|''81/70'' | |||
|[[7/6]] | |||
| m3 | | m3 | ||
| minor 3rd | | minor 3rd | ||
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| 307.7 | | 307.7 | ||
| [[6/5]] | | [[6/5]] | ||
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| | |||
| ^m3 | | ^m3 | ||
| upminor 3rd | | upminor 3rd | ||
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| 338.5 | | 338.5 | ||
| [[11/9]] | | [[11/9]] | ||
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| | |||
| ^^m3 | | ^^m3 | ||
| dupminor 3rd | | dupminor 3rd | ||
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| 369.2 | | 369.2 | ||
| [[27/22]] | | [[27/22]] | ||
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| | |||
| vvM3 | | vvM3 | ||
| dudmajor 3rd | | dudmajor 3rd | ||
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| 400.0 | | 400.0 | ||
| [[5/4]] | | [[5/4]] | ||
|''14/11'' | |||
| | |||
| vM3 | | vM3 | ||
| downmajor 3rd | | downmajor 3rd | ||
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| 14 | | 14 | ||
| 430.8 | | 430.8 | ||
| [[9/7]], [[14/11]] | | | ||
|''35/27'' | |||
|[[9/7]], [[14/11]] | |||
| M3 | | M3 | ||
| major 3rd | | major 3rd | ||
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| 15 | | 15 | ||
| 461.5 | | 461.5 | ||
| [[35/27]] | | | ||
|''9/7'' | |||
|[[35/27]] | |||
| v4 | | v4 | ||
| down 4th | | down 4th | ||
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| 492.3 | | 492.3 | ||
| [[4/3]] | | [[4/3]] | ||
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| | |||
| P4 | | P4 | ||
| perfect 4th | | perfect 4th | ||
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| 523.1 | | 523.1 | ||
| [[27/20]] | | [[27/20]] | ||
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| | |||
| ^4 | | ^4 | ||
| up 4th | | up 4th | ||
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| 553.8 | | 553.8 | ||
| [[11/8]] | | [[11/8]] | ||
|''7/5'' | |||
| | |||
| ^^4 | | ^^4 | ||
| dup 4th | | dup 4th | ||
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| 19 | | 19 | ||
| 584.6 | | 584.6 | ||
| [[7/5]] | | | ||
| | |||
|[[7/5]] | |||
| vvA4, <br>^d5 | | vvA4, <br>^d5 | ||
| dudaug 4th, <br>updim 5th | | dudaug 4th, <br>updim 5th | ||
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| 20 | | 20 | ||
| 615.4 | | 615.4 | ||
| [[10/7]] | | | ||
| | |||
|[[10/7]] | |||
| vA4, <br>^^d5 | | vA4, <br>^^d5 | ||
| downaug 4th, <br>dupdim 5th | | downaug 4th, <br>dupdim 5th | ||
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| 646.2 | | 646.2 | ||
| [[16/11]] | | [[16/11]] | ||
|''10/7'' | |||
| | |||
| vv5 | | vv5 | ||
| dud 5th | | dud 5th | ||
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| 676.9 | | 676.9 | ||
| [[40/27]] | | [[40/27]] | ||
| | |||
| | |||
| v5 | | v5 | ||
| down 5th | | down 5th | ||
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| 707.7 | | 707.7 | ||
| [[3/2]] | | [[3/2]] | ||
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| | |||
| P5 | | P5 | ||
| perfect 5th | | perfect 5th | ||
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| 24 | | 24 | ||
| 738.5 | | 738.5 | ||
| [[54/35]] | | | ||
|''14/9'' | |||
|[[54/35]] | |||
| ^5 | | ^5 | ||
| up 5th | | up 5th | ||
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| 25 | | 25 | ||
| 769.2 | | 769.2 | ||
| [[11/7]], [[14/9]] | | | ||
|''54/35'' | |||
|[[11/7]], [[14/9]] | |||
| m6 | | m6 | ||
| minor 6th | | minor 6th | ||
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| 800.0 | | 800.0 | ||
| [[8/5]] | | [[8/5]] | ||
|''11/7'' | |||
| | |||
| ^m6 | | ^m6 | ||
| upminor 6th | | upminor 6th | ||
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| 830.8 | | 830.8 | ||
| [[44/27]] | | [[44/27]] | ||
| | |||
| | |||
| ^^m6 | | ^^m6 | ||
| dupminor 6th | | dupminor 6th | ||
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| 861.5 | | 861.5 | ||
| [[18/11]] | | [[18/11]] | ||
| | |||
| | |||
| vvM6 | | vvM6 | ||
| dudmajor 6th | | dudmajor 6th | ||
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| 892.3 | | 892.3 | ||
| [[5/3]] | | [[5/3]] | ||
| | |||
| | |||
| vM6 | | vM6 | ||
| downmajor 6th | | downmajor 6th | ||
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| 30 | | 30 | ||
| 923.1 | | 923.1 | ||
| [[12/7]] | | | ||
|''140/81'' | |||
|[[12/7]] | |||
| M6 | | M6 | ||
| major 6th | | major 6th | ||
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| 31 | | 31 | ||
| 953.8 | | 953.8 | ||
| [[140/81]] | | | ||
|7/4, ''12/7'' | |||
|[[140/81]] | |||
| ^M6, <br>vm7 | | ^M6, <br>vm7 | ||
| upmajor 6th, <br>downminor 7th | | upmajor 6th, <br>downminor 7th | ||
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| 32 | | 32 | ||
| 984.6 | | 984.6 | ||
| | | [[16/9]] | ||
| | |||
|''[[7/4]]'' | |||
| m7 | | m7 | ||
| minor 7th | | minor 7th | ||
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| 1015.4 | | 1015.4 | ||
| [[9/5]] | | [[9/5]] | ||
| | |||
| | |||
| ^m7 | | ^m7 | ||
| upminor 7th | | upminor 7th | ||
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| 1046.2 | | 1046.2 | ||
| [[11/6]], [[20/11]] | | [[11/6]], [[20/11]] | ||
|''28/15'' | |||
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| ^^m7 | | ^^m7 | ||
| dupminor 7th | | dupminor 7th | ||
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| 35 | | 35 | ||
| 1076.9 | | 1076.9 | ||
| [[28/15]] | | | ||
| | |||
|[[28/15]] | |||
| vvM7 | | vvM7 | ||
| dudmajor 7th | | dudmajor 7th | ||
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| 36 | | 36 | ||
| 1107.7 | | 1107.7 | ||
| ''[[15/8]]'', [[ | | ''[[15/8]]'', ''[[48/25]]'' | ||
|''49/25'' | |||
|[[40/21]] | |||
| vM7 | | vM7 | ||
| downmajor 7th | | downmajor 7th | ||
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| 37 | | 37 | ||
| 1138.5 | | 1138.5 | ||
| [[ | | [[64/33]] | ||
|35/18'', 40/21'' | |||
|[[27/14]], ''[[96/49]]'' | |||
| M7 | | M7 | ||
| major 7th | | major 7th | ||
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| 38 | | 38 | ||
| 1169.2 | | 1169.2 | ||
| | | [[55/28]], [[108/55]], [[160/81]] | ||
|63/32, ''27/14'' | |||
|''[[35/18]], [[49/25]]'' | |||
| ^M7, <br>v8 | | ^M7, <br>v8 | ||
| upmajor 7th, <br>down 8ve | | upmajor 7th, <br>down 8ve | ||
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| 1200.0 | | 1200.0 | ||
| [[2/1]] | | [[2/1]] | ||
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| P8 | | P8 | ||
| perfect 8ve | | perfect 8ve | ||