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Partial reversal on garibaldi: let's not beat around the bush it IS the simplest good 7-limit schismic extension; gracecordial is more complex and schism is not good; reduced bloat and acknowledged interseptimals of 53edo, relationship between primes 5,13 and 7,11 I consider to be very important in cassandra
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[[#Generator tunings|Generator tunings]]: (24\41,) 31\53, 69\118, 100\171, 131\224
[[#Generator tunings|Generator tunings]]: (24\41,) 31\53, 69\118, 100\171, 131\224


Schismic is a very accurate and efficient [[5-limit]] temperament which is almost identical to [[Pythagorean tuning]] except that it tempers the perfect fifth very slightly flat so as to find [[8/5]] accurately at ([[9/8]])<sup>4</sup>, that is, as the [[Pythagorean augmented fifth]], or equivalently, finding [[5/4]] as the [[Pythagorean diminished fourth]]. Note that the smallest edo that validates its status as a microtemperament is [[118edo]], as [[53edo]], though a tone-efficient tuning, doesn't temper the fifth flat enough, as it is practically a relabeling of the [[3-limit]]. 41edo arguably qualifies as the coarsest equal temperament to support schismic well enough, but it is way too tempered for a 5-limit tuning, as it also it is [[magic]].
Schismic is an extremely accurate and efficient [[5-limit]] temperament which is almost identical to [[Pythagorean tuning]] except that it tempers the perfect fifth very slightly flat so as to find [[8/5]] accurately at ([[9/8]])<sup>4</sup>, that is, as the [[Pythagorean augmented fifth]], or equivalently, finding [[5/4]] as the [[Pythagorean diminished fourth]]. Note that the smallest edo that validates its status as a microtemperament is [[118edo]], as [[53edo]], though a tone-efficient tuning, doesn't temper the fifth flat enough, as it is practically a relabeling of the [[3-limit]]. 41edo arguably qualifies as the coarsest equal temperament to support schismic well enough, but it is way too tempered for a 5-limit tuning, as it also it is [[magic]].


In schismic, (9/8)<sup>6</sup> overshoots the octave by [[~]][[81/80]] so that the syntonic comma and the [[Pythagorean comma]] are equated.
In schismic, (9/8)<sup>6</sup> overshoots the octave by [[~]][[81/80]] so that the syntonic comma and the [[Pythagorean comma]] are equated.
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[[#Generator tunings|Generator tunings]]: 24\31, 31\53, 55\94
[[#Generator tunings|Generator tunings]]: 24\31, 31\53, 55\94


Garibaldi is a very natural and very efficient (for its accuracy) way of bestowing prime 7 upon [[#Schismic]], at the cost of accuracy as needing a slightly sharper fifth tunes the 5-limit worse so that it is no longer a microtemperament. This is done by interpreting ([[9/8]])<sup>3</sup> as [[~]][[10/7]] by tempering out [[5120/5103|S8/S9]] so that 8/7 and 10/9 are equidistant from 9/8, with the step being a conveniently general tempered comma-sized interval that simultaneously not only represents not only [[64/63]] = S8 and [[81/80]] = S9 but also the [[Pythagorean comma]] (as per schismic), equal to (9/8)<sup>6</sup> / (2/1). [[41edo]] and [[53edo]] are slightly overtempered and undertempered for it respectively, so that [[94edo]] is pretty close to optimal, though it has a (barely) inconsistently flat [[~]][[25/16]] which is unbefitting of schismic. 94 + 41 = [[135edo]] and 94 + 53 = [[147edo]] also support it but with yet more inconsistencies due to the finer gamut, so it's worth checking the "Prime harmonics" tables to see if you're okay with the errors.
Garibaldi is arguably the simplest way to bestow prime 7 upon [[#Schismic]] effectively, at the cost of some accuracy. It uses a slightly sharper fifth that tunes the 5-limit worse, making it no longer a microtemperament. This is done by interpreting (9/8)<sup>3</sup> as [[~]][[10/7]] by tempering out [[5120/5103]] so that 8/7 and 10/9 are equidistant from 9/8. The distance is a tempered [[Pythagorean comma]] that also represents [[64/63]] and [[81/80]], which necessarily results in [[225/224]] tempered out as 5120/5103 * 32805/32768 = 225/224.


Which of 41edo and 53edo do better in the 7-limit depends on how you measure them and who you ask; therefore, a better way of choosing is based on whether you care more about prime 11 or prime 13:
[[41edo]] and [[53edo]] are slightly overtempered and undertempered for it respectively, so that [[94edo]] is pretty close to optimal, though it has a barely inconsistently flat [[~]][[25/16]] which is unbefitting of schismic. 94 + 41 = [[135edo]] and 94 + 53 = [[147edo]] also support it but with yet more inconsistencies due to the finer gamut, so it's worth checking the "Prime harmonics" tables to see if you're okay with the errors.
* For prime 11, [[41edo]] is better, as it finds [[~]][[11/9]] as half of the fifth and as a comma above [[~]][[6/5]] or a comma below [[~]][[5/4]]. This corresponds to being [[cassandra]] + [[andromeda]] '''(respectively)'''.
 
* For prime 13, [[53edo]] is better, as it finds [[interseptimal interval]]s distinctly from adjacent [[septimal]] intervals so that [[~]][[15/13]] is half of a practically-just [[4/3]] (tempering out [[676/675|S13/S15]]) and is (resultantly) found as a comma above [[~]][[8/7]] or a comma below [[~]][[7/6]] (which reflects to [[~]][[13/10]] being made the midpoint of [[~]][[9/7]] and [[~]][[21/16]]). It also makes [[~]][[16/13]] a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] (by tempering out 325/324). This corresponds to a number of temperaments; the most relevant of which for [[#Schismic]] is the very accurate extension to prime 13 called [[Schismatic family#Tridecaschismic (2.3.5.13)|tridecaschismic]], corresponding to reaching 13/4 through (9/8)<sup>10</sup> (tempering out the [[tridecapyth comma]]) and also corresponding to tempering out [[325/324]] = S25*S26 = S10/S12.
The choice of 41edo and 53edo for the 7-limit is hard to determine, so a better way of choosing is choosing between primes 7,11 and primes 5,13. Both support [[cassandra]], a 13-limit extension which tempers out [[352/351]] and [[325/324]], so that [[~]][[16/13]] is a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] and [[39/32]] is equated with [[11/9]].
* For prime 11, [[41edo]] is better, as it finds [[~]][[11/9]] as a hemififth and as a comma above [[~]][[6/5]] (as in [[cassandra]]) or a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] (as in [[andromeda]]). Primes 5 and 13 are worse. This is reflected in the [[tetracot comma]] also being tempered out, which necessarily tunes 16/13 and 5/4 flatter, and [[~]][[16/13]] also being a hemififth.
 
* For primes 5 and 13, [[53edo]] is better, as it has a close to just fifth that benefits [[Schismatic family#Tridecaschismic (2.3.5.13)|tridecaschismic]], finding very well tuned ~5/4 and ~16/13. It also has half-fourths corresponding to [[15/13]], tempering out [[676/675]], telling apart [[Interseptimal interval|Interseptimal intervals]] from adjacent [[septimal]] intervals; 15/13 is here the midpoint between 8/7 and 7/6, making it part of [[The Archipelago]]. Primes 7 and 11 are worse. This is reflected in 14/11 being equated with 9/7, and 11/9 being equated with a flat 39/32, inflating the [[rastma]] to a whole step.


=== 11-limit focus ===
=== 11-limit focus ===