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The '''Pythagorean tuning''' is the 3-limit version of [[just intonation]]. '''Pythagorean''' can be considered a [[trivial temperament|trivial]] rank-2 temperament in the 2.3 subgroup, as it tempers out no commas (providing no additional mappings for intervals other than the pure just structure). As such, all rank-2 temperaments generated by 3/2 and 2/1 in the 5-limit or higher (e.g. meantone) are extensions of pythagorean.
'''Pythagorean tuning''' is a system where all intervals are determined by [[3/2|pure fifths]] and [[2/1|octaves]]. This makes it essentially the same as [[3-limit]] [[just intonation]].  


The Pythagorean temperament consists of all intervals generated by a just 3/2 and 2/1. Musically, the 2/1 is most often interpreted as an equave, and as such Pythagorean tuning mirrors the structure of the [[chain of fifths]].
When accounting for octave equivalence, Pythagorean tuning mirrors the structure of the [[chain of fifths]].
 
See [[3-limit]] for more information.


== History ==
== History ==
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The 12-tone form of Pythagorean tuning was (probably independently) invented in [[Chinese music|Ancient China]] between 600 BCE and 240 CE, where it was called '''shi'er lü'''.
The 12-tone form of Pythagorean tuning was (probably independently) invented in [[Chinese music|Ancient China]] between 600 BCE and 240 CE, where it was called '''shi'er lü'''.
== Relation to temperaments ==
Pythagorean tuning can be considered a [[trivial temperament|trivial]] rank-2 temperament in the 2.3 subgroup, where it tempers out no commas (providing no additional mappings for intervals other than the pure just structure). As such, all rank-2 temperaments generated by 3/2 and 2/1 in the 5-limit or higher (e.g. meantone) can be seen as extensions of Pythagorean temperament.
Because the [[schisma]] is so small, a series of just fifths can also be considered a reasonable tuning of the [[schismatic]] temperament, where the [[Pythagorean diminished fourth|diminished fourth]] (e.g. {{dash|C, F♭}}) approximates [[5/4]].
Mark Lindley<ref>Mark Lindley, ''Pythagorean Intonation and the Rise of the Triad'', Royal Musical Association Research Chronicle, 1980</ref> argues such a system was used in Europe during the 15th century, with keyboards tuned to nearly pure fifths as
:{{dash|G♭, C♭, A♭, E♭, B, F, C, G, D, A, E, B}}.
When respelled enharmonically, triads such as {{dash|D, F♯, A}} are close to 4:5:6 in this tuning.


== Scales ==
== Scales ==
Because Pythagorean tuning is a rank-2 system, the moment-of-symmetry scales generated by its fifth can be named the same way scales corresponding to other rank-2 temperaments are, as follows:
Pythagorean tuning generates the following [[MOS]] scales:
* [[Pythagorean5]] – proper [[2L 3s]]. Also known as pythagorean pentic scale
* [[Pythagorean5]] – proper [[2L 3s]]. Also known as pythagorean pentic scale
*[[Pythagorean7]] – improper [[5L 2s]]. Also known as pythagorean diatonic scale
* [[Pythagorean7]] – improper [[5L 2s]]. Also known as pythagorean diatonic scale
*[[Pythagorean12]] – proper [[5L 7s]]. Also known as pythagorean chromatic scale
* [[Pythagorean12]] – proper [[5L 7s]]. Also known as pythagorean chromatic scale
*[[Pythagorean17]] – improper [[12L 5s]]. Also known as pythagorean enharmonic scale
* [[Pythagorean17]] – improper [[12L 5s]]. Also known as pythagorean enharmonic scale
*[[Pythagorean29]] – improper [[12L 17s]]
* [[Pythagorean29]] – improper [[12L 17s]]
*[[Pythagorean41]] – proper [[12L 29s]]
* [[Pythagorean41]] – proper [[12L 29s]]
*[[Pythagorean53]] – proper [[41L 12s]]
* [[Pythagorean53]] – proper [[41L 12s]]


The [[hardness]]es of the Pythagorean scales are about 1.442 for pentic, 2.260 for diatonic, 1.260 for chromatic, and 3.846 for enharmonic.
The [[hardness]]es of the Pythagorean scales are about 1.442 for pentic, 2.260 for diatonic, 1.260 for chromatic, and 3.846 for enharmonic.
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== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[3-limit]], the JI subgroup which pythagorean is the trivial temperament of
* [[3-limit]], the corresponding JI subgroup.
* [[Chain of fifths]], a harmonic structure based on the concepts of Pythagorean tuning
* [[Chain of fifths]], a harmonic structure based on the concepts of Pythagorean tuning.
 
== References ==
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Pythagorean tuning is a system where all intervals are determined by pure fifths and octaves. This makes it essentially the same as 3-limit just intonation.

When accounting for octave equivalence, Pythagorean tuning mirrors the structure of the chain of fifths.

History

English Wikipedia has an article on:
English Wikipedia has an article on:

Pythagorean tuning was not actually invented by Pythagoras. The earliest records are from Ancient Mesopotamia, and it was later inherited by the Ancient Greeks.

The 12-tone form of Pythagorean tuning was (probably independently) invented in Ancient China between 600 BCE and 240 CE, where it was called shi'er lü.

Relation to temperaments

Pythagorean tuning can be considered a trivial rank-2 temperament in the 2.3 subgroup, where it tempers out no commas (providing no additional mappings for intervals other than the pure just structure). As such, all rank-2 temperaments generated by 3/2 and 2/1 in the 5-limit or higher (e.g. meantone) can be seen as extensions of Pythagorean temperament.

Because the schisma is so small, a series of just fifths can also be considered a reasonable tuning of the schismatic temperament, where the diminished fourth (e.g. C – F♭) approximates 5/4. Mark Lindley[1] argues such a system was used in Europe during the 15th century, with keyboards tuned to nearly pure fifths as

G♭ – C♭ – A♭ – E♭ – B – F – C – G – D – A – E – B.

When respelled enharmonically, triads such as D – F♯ – A are close to 4:5:6 in this tuning.

Scales

Pythagorean tuning generates the following MOS scales:

The hardnesses of the Pythagorean scales are about 1.442 for pentic, 2.260 for diatonic, 1.260 for chromatic, and 3.846 for enharmonic.

Music

See 3-limit #Music.

See also

  • 3-limit, the corresponding JI subgroup.
  • Chain of fifths, a harmonic structure based on the concepts of Pythagorean tuning.

References

  1. Mark Lindley, Pythagorean Intonation and the Rise of the Triad, Royal Musical Association Research Chronicle, 1980