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However, for all of these 19edo has the practical advantage of requiring fewer pitches, which makes it easier to implement in physical instruments, and many 19edo instruments have been built. 19et is in fact the second equal temperament, after 12et which is able to approximate [[5-limit]] intervals and chords with tolerable accuracy, and is the fifth (after 12) [[zeta integral edo]]. It is less successful in the [[7-limit]] (but still better than 12et), as it conflates the septimal subminor third ([[7/6]]) with the septimal whole tone ([[8/7]]). 19edo also has the advantage of being excellent for negri, keemun, godzilla, magic/muggles, and triton/liese, and fairly decent for sensi. Keemun and negri are of particular note for being very simple 7-limit temperaments, with their [[mos scale]]s in 19edo offering a great abundance of septimal tetrads. The [[Graham complexity]] of a 7-limit tetrad is 6 for keemun, 7 for negri, 8 for godzilla, 10 for meantone, 11 for triton, 12 for magic/muggles and 13 for sensi.

Being a zeta integral tuning, the no-11's 13-limit is represented relatively well and consistently. Practically 19edo can be used ''adaptively'' on instruments which allow you to bend notes up: by different amounts, the 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 13th harmonics are all tuned flat. This is in contrast to 12edo, where this is not possible since the 5 and 7 are not only much farther from just than they are in 19, but fairly sharp already. 19edo's [[negri]], [[sensi]] and [[semaphore]] scales have many 13-limit chords. (You can think of the sensi[8] [[3L 5s]] mos scale as 19edo's answer to the diminished scale. Both are made of two diminished seventh chords, but sensi[8] gives you additional ratios of 7 and 13.)

Being a zeta integral tuning, the no-11's 13-limit is represented relatively well and consistently. Practically 19edo can be used ''adaptively'' on instruments which allow you to bend notes up: by different amounts, the 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 13th harmonics are all tuned flat. This is in contrast to 12edo, where this is not possible since the 5 and 7 are not only much farther from just than they are in 19, but fairly sharp already. 19edo's [[negri]], [[sensi]] and [[semaphore]] scales have many 13-limit chords. (You can think of the sensi[8] [[3L 5s]] mos scale as 19edo's answer to the diminished scale. Both are made of two diminished seventh chords, but sensi[8] gives you additional ratios of 7 and 13.)

Another option would be to employ [[octave stretching]]; the closest [[the Riemann zeta function and tuning #Optimal octave stretch|local zeta peak]] to 19 occurs at 18.9481, which makes the octaves 1203.29 cents, and a step size of between 63.2 and 63.4 cents would be preferable in theory. Pianos are frequently tuned with stretched octaves anyway due to the slight inharmonicity inherent in their strings, which makes 19edo a promising option for pianos with split sharps. Octave stretching also means that an out-of-tune interval can be replaced with a compounded or inverted version of it which is near-just. For example, if we are using [[49ed6]] or [[30ed3]] (which tune 6:1 and 3:1 just and have octaves stretched by 2.8 and 4.57 cents, respectively), then we have near-just minor thirds (6:5), compound major thirds (as 5:1), and compound fifths (as 6:1), giving us versions of everything in the 5-limit tonality diamond. The compound major and minor triads (1:5:6 and 30:6:5) are near-just as well. The most extreme of these options would be [[11edf]], which has octaves stretched by 12.47 cents.

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 However, for all of these 19edo has the practical advantage of requiring fewer pitches, which makes it easier to implement in physical instruments, and many 19edo instruments have been built. 19et is in fact the second equal temperament, after 12et which is able to approximate [[5-limit]] intervals and chords with tolerable accuracy, and is the fifth (after 12) [[zeta integral edo]]. It is less successful in the [[7-limit]] (but still better than 12et), as it conflates the septimal subminor third ([[7/6]]) with the septimal whole tone ([[8/7]]). 19edo also has the advantage of being excellent for negri, keemun, godzilla, magic/muggles, and triton/liese, and fairly decent for sensi. Keemun and negri are of particular note for being very simple 7-limit temperaments, with their [[mos scale]]s in 19edo offering a great abundance of septimal tetrads. The [[Graham complexity]] of a 7-limit tetrad is 6 for keemun, 7 for negri, 8 for godzilla, 10 for meantone, 11 for triton, 12 for magic/muggles and 13 for sensi.
-Being a zeta integral tuning, the no-11's 13-limit is represented relatively well and consistently. Practically 19edo can be used ''adaptively'' on instruments which allow you to bend notes up: by different amounts, the 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 13th harmonics are all tuned flat. This is in contrast to 12edo, where this is not possible since the 5 and 7 are not only much farther from just than they are in 19, but fairly sharp already. 19edo's [[negri]], [[sensi]] and [[semaphore]] scales have many 13-limit chords. (You can think of the sensi[8] [[3L 5s]] mos scale as 19edo's answer to the diminished scale. Both are made of two diminished seventh chords, but sensi[8] gives you additional ratios of 7 and 13.)
+Being a zeta integral tuning, the no-11's 13-limit is represented relatively well and consistently. Practically 19edo can be used ''adaptively'' on instruments which allow you to bend notes up: by different amounts, the 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 13th harmonics are all tuned flat. This is in contrast to 12edo, where this is not possible since the 5 and 7 are not only much farther from just than they are in 19, but fairly sharp already. 19edo's [[negri]], [[sensi]] and [[semaphore]] scales have many 13-limit chords. (You can think of the sensi[8] [[3L&nbsp;5s]] mos scale as 19edo's answer to the diminished scale. Both are made of two diminished seventh chords, but sensi[8] gives you additional ratios of 7 and 13.)
 Another option would be to employ [[octave stretching]]; the closest [[the Riemann zeta function and tuning #Optimal octave stretch|local zeta peak]] to 19 occurs at 18.9481, which makes the octaves 1203.29 cents, and a step size of between 63.2 and 63.4 cents would be preferable in theory. Pianos are frequently tuned with stretched octaves anyway due to the slight inharmonicity inherent in their strings, which makes 19edo a promising option for pianos with split sharps. Octave stretching also means that an out-of-tune interval can be replaced with a compounded or inverted version of it which is near-just. For example, if we are using [[49ed6]] or [[30ed3]] (which tune 6:1 and 3:1 just and have octaves stretched by 2.8 and 4.57 cents, respectively), then we have near-just minor thirds (6:5), compound major thirds (as 5:1), and compound fifths (as 6:1), giving us versions of everything in the 5-limit tonality diamond. The compound major and minor triads (1:5:6 and 30:6:5) are near-just as well. The most extreme of these options would be [[11edf]], which has octaves stretched by 12.47 cents.

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