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== Trienparapyth ==
Trienparapyth (which can be thought of as the no-17's 23-limit[80&87&109] temperament) splits the ~4/3 generator of parapythic into three ~[[11/10]]'s (tempering out [[4000/3993|S10/S11]]) in the 11-limit and it interprets (11/10)<sup>2</sup> accurately as [[23/19]] in its full subgroup (tempering out [[2300/2299|S20/S22]]), or optionally less accurately as ~[[17/14]], though because this mapping only really makes much sense in [[80edo]] it isn't included here; however, its connection to parapyth structure comes from later in the gen. chain; specifically, from (11/10)<sup>7</sup> onwards. We may simplify (11/10)<sup>7</sup> as [[16/9|(4/3)<sup>2</sup>]] * [[11/10]] = [[88/45]], the octave-complement of [[45/44]]. Notice that parapythic wants a slightly flat ~4/3 corresponding to an 11/10 being tuned anywhere from around just (in an extremely-sharp-for-parapyth tuning) to a little less than 1{{cent}} sharp, a very narrow tuning range; therefore 88/45 is flattened so that 2/(11/10)<sup>7</sup> = ~45/44 is sharpened so that we can equate it with [[40/39]], tempering out (40/39)/(45/44) = [[352/351]], and because we know we want prime 19 later on, we equate this with [[39/38]] by tempering the pinkanberry, [[1521/1520|S39]]. Next, for 8 gens, observe that (11/10)<sup>9</sup> / (11/10) / 2 = (4/3)<sup>3</sup> / (11/10) / 2 = ([[32/27]])/(11/10) = 320/297 is sharp of [[15/14]] by [[896/891]], which is reasonable to equate it with because in an optimal tuning 11/10 will be very slightly sharp (so that 8 gens is 8 times as sharp). Thus, tempering [[4000/3993|S10/S11]] and [[896/891]] defines trienparapyth in the 11-limit (also tempering [[3388/3375]]), the 13-limit adds [[352/351]], the no-17's 19-limit [[1521/1520|equates]] 40/39 with 39/38 and the no-17's 23-limit equates 23/19 with (11/10)<sup>2</sup> as already mentioned.
Structurally, trienparapyth is the same as parapythic in 2.3.7.11.13 (as in that subgroup it tempers the same commas), but the independent generator of 7 is connected to an equivalent independent generator for 5 through the ~[[15/7]] reached at (11/10)<sup>8</sup> so that ~[[20/7]] is reached at (11/10)<sup>11</sup>, and this is how (''in a sense'') the independent generator represents both 5 and 7 simultaneously, though the mapping uses 5 (which makes more sense for appraisal, as in the 13-limit only the 5 uses trienparapyth rather than parapythic, so that this temperament makes more sense in higher limits).
Subgroup: [[11-limit|2.3.5.7.11]]
Comma list: [[4000/3993]], [[896/891]]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 0 2 1 | 0 -3 0 -11 1 | 0 0 1 1 1 }}
: Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5
Optimal tuning (CTE): 2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.413 (~3/2 = 703.761), ~5/4 = 386.887 (~7/4 = 967.340)
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 14e, 15d, 22, 51, 58, 80, 87, 145, 167, 312ce, 479bce }}
Badness: 0.00032498807511038835
Badness (Dirichlet): 1.515
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: [[13-limit|2.3.5.7.11.13]]
Comma list: [[4000/3993]], [[896/891]], [[352/351]], [[1521/1520]]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 0 2 1 0 | 0 -3 0 -11 1 10 | 0 0 1 1 1 1 }}
: Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5
Optimal tuning (CTE): 2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.398 (~3/2 = 703.806), ~5/4 = 386.791 (7/4 = 967.418)
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 22, 29, 51f, 51cde, 58, 80, 87, 145, 167, 225ce, 254, 312ce }}
Badness: 0.00035577335441867717
Badness (Dirichlet): 1.154
=== no-17's 19-limit ===
Note [[109edo]] is a good patent val tuning not listed in the optimal ET sequence here.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 (no-17's [[19-limit]])
Comma list: [[4000/3993]], [[896/891]], [[352/351]], [[1521/1520]]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 0 2 1 0 0 | 0 -3 0 -11 1 10 14 | 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 }}
: Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5
Optimal tuning (CTE): 2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.299 (~3/2 = 704.103), ~5/4 = 386.315 (~7/4 = 968.027)
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 22, 29, 51fh, 51cde, 58h, 80, 87, 138cdeh, 167h }}
Badness: 0.00040867444151208805
Badness (Dirichlet): 1.198
=== no-17's 23-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.19.23 (no-17's [[23-limit]])
Comma list: [[4000/3993]], [[896/891]], [[352/351]], [[1521/1520]], [[2300/2299]]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 0 2 1 0 0 0 | 0 -3 0 -11 1 10 14 16 | 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 }}
: Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5
Optimal tuning (CTE): 2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.258 (~3/2 = 704.226), ~5/4 = 386.145 (~7/4 = 968.308)
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22i, 29, 51fhi, 51cde, 58hi, 80, 87, 109, 138cdehi, 167hi }}
Badness: 0.0003920458395201445
Badness (Dirichlet): 1.136

Revision as of 20:47, 13 July 2024

The pentacircle clan of rank-3 temperaments tempers out the pentacircle comma, 896/891. This has the effect of identifying 14/11 at the Pythagorean major third.

For the rank-4 pentacircle temperament, see Rank-4 temperament #Pentacircle (896/891).

Parapythic

Parapyth, by the original definition, is the 2.3.7.11.13 subgroup temperament tempering out 352/351 and 364/363. We begin by looking at the 2.3.7.11 restriction thereof.

Subgroup: 2.3.7.11

Comma list: 896/891

Mapping[1 0 0 7], 0 1 0 -4], 0 0 1 1]]

sval mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 703.8345, ~7/4 = 969.8722

Optimal ET sequence12, 17, 36, 41, 58, 63, 104, 225e, 266e, 370bee, 699bbdeee

Badness: 0.0205 × 10-3

Overview to extensions

Subgroup extensions

By tempering out 896/891, we have mapped 14/11 to the major third, suggesting a slightly sharp fifth. This makes the minor third very close to the flat-of-Pythagorean 13/11, and extending the temperament to include harmonic 13 this way implies we temper out 352/351. In fact, 896/891 = (352/351)(364/363), so it is a very natural interpretation, giving rise to the 2.3.7.11.13 subgroup temperament shown below.

Full 11-limit extensions

The second comma in the comma list determines how we extend parapyth to include the harmonic 5.

Pele adds 441/440 and finds the harmonic 5 by equating the syntonic comma (81/80) with the septimal comma (64/63). Together with the slightly sharp fifth this extension makes for one of the most natural interpretations. Sensamagic adds 245/243 or 385/384, a traditional RTT favorite. Apollo adds 100/99 or 225/224, and is even simpler than sensamagic. Uni adds 540/539. Melpomene adds 56/55 or 81/80. Terrapyth adds 585640/583443, a complex entry that finds the harmonic 5 at the triple augmented unison (AAA1). These all have the same lattice structure as parapyth.

Julius aka varda adds 176/175, splitting the octave into two. Parahemif adds 243/242, splitting the perfect fifth into two. Kujuku adds 14700/14641, splitting the perfect twelfth into two. Tolerant adds 2200/2187, splitting the ~33/32 into two. Finally, canta adds 472392/471625, splitting the ~14/9 into three.

Temperaments discussed elsewhere are:

Considered below are tolerant, kujuku, and terrapyth.

Parapyth

Subgroup: 2.3.7.11.13

Comma list: 352/351, 364/363

Sval mapping: [1 0 0 7 12], 0 1 0 -4 -7], 0 0 1 1 1]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 703.8563, ~7/4 = 969.9074

Optimal ET sequence12f, 17, 41, 46, 58, 87, 104, 266ef, 329bef, 370beef, 474beef, 595bdeeeff, 699bbdeeeff

Badness: 0.101 × 10-3

Etypyth

Subgroup: 2.3.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 442/441

Sval mapping: [1 0 0 7 12 -13], 0 1 0 -4 -7 9], 0 0 1 1 1 1]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.0315, ~7/4 = 970.6051

Optimal ET sequence12f, 17g, 29g, 41g, 46, 58, 75e, 104, 121, 225e

Badness: 0.325 × 10-3

Terrapyth

Terrapyth tempers out the leapday comma, and can be described as 29 & 46 & 121.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 896/891, 585640/583443

Mapping: [1 0 -31 0 7], 0 1 21 0 -4], 0 0 0 1 1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~7

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.1814, ~7/4 = 970.6217

Optimal ET sequence17c, 29, 46, 92de, 121, 167, 288be

Badness: 5.35 × 10-3

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 9295/9261

Mapping: [1 0 -31 0 7 12], 0 1 0 21 0 4 -7], 0 0 0 1 1 1]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.1691, ~7/4 = 970.8432

Optimal ET sequence17c, 29, 46, 75e, 92def, 121, 167, 288be

Badness: 2.48 × 10-3

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 442/441, 715/714

Mapping: [1 0 -31 0 7 12 -13], 0 1 0 21 0 4 -7 9], 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.1628, ~7/4 = 970.6620

Optimal ET sequence17cg, 29g, 46, 75e, 92defg, 121, 167, 288beg

Badness: 1.52 × 10-3

Tolerant

7-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 179200/177147

Mapping[1 0 0 -10], 0 1 0 11], 0 0 1 -2]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 703.9571, ~5/4 = 386.8863

Optimal ET sequence41, 80, 87, 121, 167, 208, 329b, 375b, 537b, 583b, 704bd

Badness: 0.165 × 10-3

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 896/891, 2200/2187

Mapping[1 0 0 -10 -3], 0 1 0 11 7], 0 0 1 -2 -2]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.0412, ~5/4 = 387.2927

Optimal ET sequence41, 80, 87, 121, 167, 208, 334be, 375be, 542bce

Badness: 1.039 × 10-3

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 325/324, 352/351, 364/363

Mapping: [1 0 0 -10 -3 2], 0 1 0 11 7 4], 0 0 1 -2 -2 -2]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 703.9605, ~5/4 = 386.9831

Optimal ET sequence41, 46, 80, 87, 121, 167, 208, 375be, 583bef

Badness: 1.021 × 10-3

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 256/255, 325/324, 352/351, 364/363

Mapping: [1 0 0 -10 -3 2 8], 0 1 0 11 7 4 -1], 0 0 1 -2 -2 -2 -1]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 704.0831, ~5/4 = 387.3269

Optimal ET sequence41, 46, 75e, 80, 87, 121, 167, 288beg

Badness: 0.982 × 10-3

Kujuku

Kujuku splits the perfect twelfth into two. Scott Dakota has aliased this temperament SQPP (for semiquartal parapyth).

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 896/891, 14700/14641

Mapping[1 0 0 -13 -6], 0 2 0 17 9], 0 0 1 1 1]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~121/70, ~5

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~121/70 = 951.4956, ~5/4 = 386.7868

Optimal ET sequence24, 29, 34d, 53d, 58, 87, 121, 145, 179e, 208, 266e

Badness: 2.26 × 10-3

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 676/675

Mapping: [1 0 0 -13 -6 -1], 0 2 0 17 9 3], 0 0 1 1 1 1]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~26/15 = 951.8367, ~5/4 = 386.4048

Optimal ET sequence24, 29, 34d, 53d, 58, 87, 121, 179ef, 208, 266ef, 474beef

Badness: 1.06 × 10-3

Complexity spectrum: 15/13, 4/3, 13/10, 9/8, 13/11, 15/11, 12/11, 11/9, 11/8, 14/11, 16/13, 16/15, 11/10, 13/12, 9/7, 5/4, 18/13, 7/6, 6/5, 8/7, 10/9, 14/13, 15/14, 7/5

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 256/255, 352/351, 364/363, 676/675

Mapping: [1 0 0 -13 -6 -1 8], 0 2 0 17 9 3 -2], 0 0 1 1 1 1 -1]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~26/15 = 951.8015, ~5/4 = 386.9912

Optimal ET sequence24, 34d, 58, 87, 121, 179ef, 208g, 266efg

Badness: 1.24 × 10-3

Trienparapyth

Trienparapyth (which can be thought of as the no-17's 23-limit[80&87&109] temperament) splits the ~4/3 generator of parapythic into three ~11/10's (tempering out S10/S11) in the 11-limit and it interprets (11/10)2 accurately as 23/19 in its full subgroup (tempering out S20/S22), or optionally less accurately as ~17/14, though because this mapping only really makes much sense in 80edo it isn't included here; however, its connection to parapyth structure comes from later in the gen. chain; specifically, from (11/10)7 onwards. We may simplify (11/10)7 as (4/3)2 * 11/10 = 88/45, the octave-complement of 45/44. Notice that parapythic wants a slightly flat ~4/3 corresponding to an 11/10 being tuned anywhere from around just (in an extremely-sharp-for-parapyth tuning) to a little less than 1 ¢ sharp, a very narrow tuning range; therefore 88/45 is flattened so that 2/(11/10)7 = ~45/44 is sharpened so that we can equate it with 40/39, tempering out (40/39)/(45/44) = 352/351, and because we know we want prime 19 later on, we equate this with 39/38 by tempering the pinkanberry, S39. Next, for 8 gens, observe that (11/10)9 / (11/10) / 2 = (4/3)3 / (11/10) / 2 = (32/27)/(11/10) = 320/297 is sharp of 15/14 by 896/891, which is reasonable to equate it with because in an optimal tuning 11/10 will be very slightly sharp (so that 8 gens is 8 times as sharp). Thus, tempering S10/S11 and 896/891 defines trienparapyth in the 11-limit (also tempering 3388/3375), the 13-limit adds 352/351, the no-17's 19-limit equates 40/39 with 39/38 and the no-17's 23-limit equates 23/19 with (11/10)2 as already mentioned.

Structurally, trienparapyth is the same as parapythic in 2.3.7.11.13 (as in that subgroup it tempers the same commas), but the independent generator of 7 is connected to an equivalent independent generator for 5 through the ~15/7 reached at (11/10)8 so that ~20/7 is reached at (11/10)11, and this is how (in a sense) the independent generator represents both 5 and 7 simultaneously, though the mapping uses 5 (which makes more sense for appraisal, as in the 13-limit only the 5 uses trienparapyth rather than parapythic, so that this temperament makes more sense in higher limits).

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 4000/3993, 896/891

Mapping: [1 2 0 2 1], 0 -3 0 -11 1], 0 0 1 1 1]]

Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5

Optimal tuning (CTE): 2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.413 (~3/2 = 703.761), ~5/4 = 386.887 (~7/4 = 967.340)

Optimal ET sequence7d, 14e, 15d, 22, 51, 58, 80, 87, 145, 167, 312ce, 479bce

Badness: 0.00032498807511038835

Badness (Dirichlet): 1.515

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 4000/3993, 896/891, 352/351, 1521/1520

Mapping: [1 2 0 2 1 0], 0 -3 0 -11 1 10], 0 0 1 1 1 1]]

Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5

Optimal tuning (CTE): 2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.398 (~3/2 = 703.806), ~5/4 = 386.791 (7/4 = 967.418)

Optimal ET sequence7d, 22, 29, 51f, 51cde, 58, 80, 87, 145, 167, 225ce, 254, 312ce

Badness: 0.00035577335441867717

Badness (Dirichlet): 1.154

no-17's 19-limit

Note 109edo is a good patent val tuning not listed in the optimal ET sequence here.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 (no-17's 19-limit)

Comma list: 4000/3993, 896/891, 352/351, 1521/1520

Mapping: [1 2 0 2 1 0 0], 0 -3 0 -11 1 10 14], 0 0 1 1 1 1 1]]

Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5

Optimal tuning (CTE): 2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.299 (~3/2 = 704.103), ~5/4 = 386.315 (~7/4 = 968.027)

Optimal ET sequence7d, 22, 29, 51fh, 51cde, 58h, 80, 87, 138cdeh, 167h

Badness: 0.00040867444151208805

Badness (Dirichlet): 1.198

no-17's 23-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.19.23 (no-17's 23-limit)

Comma list: 4000/3993, 896/891, 352/351, 1521/1520, 2300/2299

Mapping: [1 2 0 2 1 0 0 0], 0 -3 0 -11 1 10 14 16], 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1]]

Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10, ~5

Optimal tuning (CTE): 2 = 1\1, ~11/10 = 165.258 (~3/2 = 704.226), ~5/4 = 386.145 (~7/4 = 968.308)

Optimal ET sequence22i, 29, 51fhi, 51cde, 58hi, 80, 87, 109, 138cdehi, 167hi

Badness: 0.0003920458395201445

Badness (Dirichlet): 1.136