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There is some movement in the music world for moving away from referring to "Indian music" as a broad category, and toward instead referring to South Asian music. This is to distinguish the music primarily or entirely found within the country of India from (admittedly closely related) traditional/classical/artistic, folk, and contemporary music found in the South Asia region but outside India itself. I wouldn't say that movement is strong, but it has a point.

I note that under [[:Category:Traditions]] all the cultural traditions (not just Indian) are named with strange and somewhat dismaying names that omit the word "music" that should follow. E.g. Indian, Arabic and Greek should sensibly be Indian music, Arabic music, and Greek music. The words "Indian," "Arabic," and "Greek" by themselves can mean a people, a culture, or (except for Indian) a language. ~~These~~ page names and category names should specify "music" or "microtonality" or something else specific. Otherwise they feel very much like they are exoticizing and generalizing traditional cultural musics, much like how 20th century academic Western music theory tends to treat all music outside those by dead Germans as somehow lesser.

I note that under [[:Category:Traditions]] all the cultural traditions (not just Indian) are named with strange and somewhat dismaying names that omit the word "music" that should follow. E.g. Indian, Arabic and Greek should sensibly be Indian music, Arabic music, and Greek music. The words "Indian," "Arabic," and "Greek" by themselves can mean a people, a culture, or (except for Indian) a language. I believe that these page names and category names should specify "music" or "microtonality" or something else specific.

The Xenharmonic Wiki is not intended to address general aspects of music or to duplicate Wikipedia, but instead to focus on issues of musical tuning. There is a huge amount of historical and contemporary writing about tuning within the various Indian music branches, subject to very heated debate. Western academic study tends to ignore or not realize that many tunings advanced Indian musicians are aware of and discuss are [https://puretones.sadharani.com/learn/historical-milestones/ merely historical] (e.g. Shadja gram), although there have been major documented changes in Indian tuning systems over the last 2000 years. Also, past Western academics frequently ignored or weren't aware of the important differences between Hindustani and Carnatic music theories, which have been very distinct for a few hundred years although they developed from the same roots and use many of the same words (sometimes to mean different things!).

It's rather amazing how often writings (including by Indian musicians) never indicate whether they're referring to historical tunings, tunings used by contemporary Hindustani musicians, or contemporary Carnatic ones. Much less do they make reference to the many [[wikipedia:Gharana|gharanas]] (houses/schools) of the north or the many [[wikipedia:Sampradaya#Guru-shishya_parampara|guru-shishya music parampara]] [http://carnatica.net/special/essay-vimala.htm banis] (lineages) of the south, which may each use rather different terminologies sharing the same words, and therefore totally confuse those not aware of that fact. Complicated!

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 There is some movement in the music world for moving away from referring to "Indian music" as a broad category, and toward instead referring to South Asian music. This is to distinguish the music primarily or entirely found within the country of India from (admittedly closely related) traditional/classical/artistic, folk, and contemporary music found in the South Asia region but outside India itself. I wouldn't say that movement is strong, but it has a point.
-I note that under [[:Category:Traditions]] all the cultural traditions (not just Indian) are named with strange and somewhat dismaying names that omit the word "music" that should follow. E.g. Indian, Arabic and Greek should sensibly be Indian music, Arabic music, and Greek music. The words "Indian,"  "Arabic," and "Greek" by themselves can mean a people, a culture, or (except for Indian) a language. These page names and category names should specify "music" or "microtonality" or something else specific. Otherwise they feel very much like they are exoticizing and generalizing traditional cultural musics, much like how 20th century academic Western music theory tends to treat all music outside those by dead Germans as somehow lesser.
+I note that under [[:Category:Traditions]] all the cultural traditions (not just Indian) are named with strange and somewhat dismaying names that omit the word "music" that should follow. E.g. Indian, Arabic and Greek should sensibly be Indian music, Arabic music, and Greek music. The words "Indian,"  "Arabic," and "Greek" by themselves can mean a people, a culture, or (except for Indian) a language. I believe that these page names and category names should specify "music" or "microtonality" or something else specific.
-The Xenharmonic Wiki is not intended to address general aspects of music or to duplicate Wikipedia, but instead to focus on issues of musical tuning. There is a huge amount of historical and contemporary writing about tuning within the various Indian music branches, subject to very heated debate. Western academic study tends to ignore or not realize that many tunings advanced Indian musicians are aware of and discuss are [https://puretones.sadharani.com/learn/historical-milestones/ merely historical] (e.g. Shadja gram), although there have been major documented changes in Indian tuning systems over the last 2000 years. Also, past Western academics frequently ignored or weren't aware of the important differences between Hindustani and Carnatic music theories, which have been very distinct for a few hundred years although they developed from the same roots and use many of the same words (sometimes to mean different things!).
-It's rather amazing how often writings (including by Indian musicians) never indicate whether they're referring to historical tunings, tunings used by contemporary Hindustani musicians, or contemporary Carnatic ones. Much less do they make reference to the many [[wikipedia:Gharana|gharanas]] (houses/schools) of the north or the many [[wikipedia:Sampradaya#Guru-shishya_parampara|guru-shishya music parampara]] [http://carnatica.net/special/essay-vimala.htm banis] (lineages) of the south, which may each use rather different terminologies sharing the same words, and therefore totally confuse those not aware of that fact. Complicated!
 == Toolkit==
+*[[User:Mousemambo/Sandbox]]
+*[[User:Mousemambo/Document draft]]
 *[[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions]]
 *[[Xenharmonic Wiki:Article guidelines]]
 *[[Xenharmonic Wiki:Wikifuture]]
 *[[Xenharmonic Wiki:Things to do]] [also its [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do|Discussion page]]]
-*[[:Category:Stubs|Category:Stubs]]
+*[[:Category:Stubs]]
 *[[:Category:Todo]]
-*[[:Category:Todo:expand|Category:Todo:expand]]
+*[[:Category:Todo:expand]]
 *[[Special:RecentChanges]]
 *[[Help:Editing]]
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 *[[wikipedia:Category:Wikipedia_text_help|Category:Wikipedia text help]] (@Wikipedia)
 *[[wikipedia:Help:Cheatsheet|Help:Cheatsheet]] (@Wikipedia)
-*[[:Category:Xenharmonic Wiki|Category:Xenharmonic Wiki]]
+*[[:Category:Xenharmonic Wiki]]
 *[[Xenharmonic Wiki:License]]
 *[[Xenharmonic Wiki:Terms of Service]]
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 *[[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conduct]] (orphaned)
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