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That 36edo contains 12edo as a subset makes it compatible with traditional instruments tuned to 12edo. By tuning one 12-edo instrument up or down about 33 cents, one can arrive at a 24-tone subset of 36 edo (see, for instance, Jacob Barton's piece for two clarinets, [http://www.jacobbarton.net/2010/02/de-quinin-for-two-clarinets/ De-quinin']{{Dead link}}). Three 12edo instruments could play the entire gamut.

For those interested in approximations to just intonation, 36edo offers no improvement over 12edo in the 5-limit, since its nearest approximation to 5:4 is the overly-familiar 400-cent sharp third. However, it excels at approximations involving 3 and 7. As a 3 and 7 tuning, or in other words as a tuning for the 2.3.7 [[just intonation subgroup]], 36edo's single degree of around 33 cents serves a double function as 49:48, the so-called [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_diesis Slendro diesis] of around 36 cents, and as 64:63, the so-called [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_comma septimal comma] of around 27 cents. Meanwhile, its second degree functions as 28:27, the so-called [~~http~~://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_third-tone Septimal third-tone] (which = 49:48 x 64:63). The 2.3.7 subgroup can be extended to the [[k*N_subgroups|2*36 subgroup]] 2.3.25.7.55.13.17, and on this subgroup it tempers out the same commas as [[72edo]] does in the full [[17-limit]].

For those interested in approximations to just intonation, 36edo offers no improvement over 12edo in the 5-limit, since its nearest approximation to 5:4 is the overly-familiar 400-cent sharp third. However, it excels at approximations involving 3 and 7. As a 3 and 7 tuning, or in other words as a tuning for the 2.3.7 [[just intonation subgroup]], 36edo's single degree of around 33 cents serves a double function as 49:48, the so-called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_diesis Slendro diesis] of around 36 cents, and as 64:63, the so-called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_comma septimal comma] of around 27 cents. Meanwhile, its second degree functions as 28:27, the so-called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_third-tone Septimal third-tone] (which = 49:48 x 64:63). The 2.3.7 subgroup can be extended to the [[k*N_subgroups|2*36 subgroup]] 2.3.25.7.55.13.17, and on this subgroup it tempers out the same commas as [[72edo]] does in the full [[17-limit]].

36edo also offers a good approximation to the frequency ratio phi, as 25\36.

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The 36edo patent val, like 12, tempers out 81/80, 128/125 and 648/625 in the 5-limit. It departs from 12 in the 7-limit, tempering out 686/675, and as a no-fives temperament, 1029/1024 and 118098/117649. The no-fives temperament tempering out 1029/1024, [[slendric]], is well supported by 36edo, its generator of ~8/7 represented by 7 steps of 36edo. In the 11-limit, the patent val tempers out 56/55, 245/242 and 540/539, and is the [[optimal patent val]] for the rank four temperament tempering out 56/55, as well as the rank three temperament [[Didymus rank three family|melpomene]] tempering out 81/80 and 56/55. In the 13-limit, it tempers out 78/77, in the 17-limit 51/50, and in the 19-limit 76/75, 91/90 and 96/95.

As a 5-limit temperament, the patent val for 36edo is [[Wedgies and Multivals|contorted]], meaning there are notes of it which cannot be reached from the unison using only 5-limit intervals. A curious alternative val for the 5-limit is <36 65 116| which is not contorted. It is also a meantone val, in the sense that 81/80 is tempered out. However, the "comma" {{monzo|29 0 -9}} is also tempered out, and the "fifth", 29\36, is actually approximately 7/4, whereas the "major third", 44\36, is actually approximately 7/3. Any 5-limit musical piece or scale which is a [[transversal]] for a meantone piece or scale will be converted to a no-fives piece tempering out 1029/1024 in place of 81/80 by applying this val. Heinz Bohlen proposed it as a suitable temperament for approximating his 833-cents scale.

As a 5-limit temperament, the patent val for 36edo is [[Wedgies and Multivals|contorted]], meaning there are notes of it which cannot be reached from the unison using only 5-limit intervals. A curious alternative val for the 5-limit is <36 65 116| which is not contorted. It is also a meantone val, in the sense that 81/80 is tempered out. However, the "comma" {{monzo|29 0 -9}} is also tempered out, and the "fifth", 29\36, is actually approximately 7/4, whereas the "major third", 44\36, is actually approximately 7/3. Any 5-limit musical piece or scale which is a [[transversal]] for a meantone piece or scale will be converted to a no-fives piece tempering out 1029/1024 in place of 81/80 by applying this val. Heinz Bohlen proposed it as a suitable temperament for approximating his 833-cents scale. The 13th harmonic (octave reduced) is so closely mapped on [[acoustic phi]] that 36edo could be treated as a 2.3.7.ϕ.17 temperament.

=== Prime harmonics ===

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 That 36edo contains 12edo as a subset makes it compatible with traditional instruments tuned to 12edo. By tuning one 12-edo instrument up or down about 33 cents, one can arrive at a 24-tone subset of 36 edo (see, for instance, Jacob Barton's piece for two clarinets, [http://www.jacobbarton.net/2010/02/de-quinin-for-two-clarinets/ De-quinin']{{Dead link}}). Three 12edo instruments could play the entire gamut.
-For those interested in approximations to just intonation, 36edo offers no improvement over 12edo in the 5-limit, since its nearest approximation to 5:4 is the overly-familiar 400-cent sharp third. However, it excels at approximations involving 3 and 7. As a 3 and 7 tuning, or in other words as a tuning for the 2.3.7 [[just intonation subgroup]], 36edo's single degree of around 33 cents serves a double function as 49:48, the so-called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_diesis Slendro diesis] of around 36 cents, and as 64:63, the so-called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_comma septimal comma] of around 27 cents. Meanwhile, its second degree functions as 28:27, the so-called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_third-tone Septimal third-tone] (which = 49:48 x 64:63). The 2.3.7 subgroup can be extended to the [[k*N_subgroups|2*36 subgroup]] 2.3.25.7.55.13.17, and on this subgroup it tempers out the same commas as [[72edo]] does in the full [[17-limit]].
+For those interested in approximations to just intonation, 36edo offers no improvement over 12edo in the 5-limit, since its nearest approximation to 5:4 is the overly-familiar 400-cent sharp third. However, it excels at approximations involving 3 and 7. As a 3 and 7 tuning, or in other words as a tuning for the 2.3.7 [[just intonation subgroup]], 36edo's single degree of around 33 cents serves a double function as 49:48, the so-called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_diesis Slendro diesis] of around 36 cents, and as 64:63, the so-called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_comma septimal comma] of around 27 cents. Meanwhile, its second degree functions as 28:27, the so-called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_third-tone Septimal third-tone] (which = 49:48 x 64:63). The 2.3.7 subgroup can be extended to the [[k*N_subgroups|2*36 subgroup]] 2.3.25.7.55.13.17, and on this subgroup it tempers out the same commas as [[72edo]] does in the full [[17-limit]].
 edo also offers a good approximation to the frequency ratio phi, as 25\36.
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 The 36edo patent val, like 12, tempers out 81/80, 128/125 and 648/625 in the 5-limit. It departs from 12 in the 7-limit, tempering out 686/675, and as a no-fives temperament, 1029/1024 and 118098/117649. The no-fives temperament tempering out 1029/1024, [[slendric]], is well supported by 36edo, its generator of ~8/7 represented by 7 steps of 36edo. In the 11-limit, the patent val tempers out 56/55, 245/242 and 540/539, and is the [[optimal patent val]] for the rank four temperament tempering out 56/55, as well as the rank three temperament [[Didymus rank three family|melpomene]] tempering out 81/80 and 56/55. In the 13-limit, it tempers out 78/77, in the 17-limit 51/50, and in the 19-limit 76/75, 91/90 and 96/95.
-As a 5-limit temperament, the patent val for 36edo is [[Wedgies and Multivals|contorted]], meaning there are notes of it which cannot be reached from the unison using only 5-limit intervals. A curious alternative val for the 5-limit is &lt;36 65 116| which is not contorted. It is also a meantone val, in the sense that 81/80 is tempered out. However, the "comma" {{monzo|29 0 -9}} is also tempered out, and the "fifth", 29\36, is actually approximately 7/4, whereas the "major third", 44\36, is actually approximately 7/3. Any 5-limit musical piece or scale which is a [[transversal]] for a meantone piece or scale will be converted to a no-fives piece tempering out 1029/1024 in place of 81/80 by applying this val. Heinz Bohlen proposed it as a suitable temperament for approximating his 833-cents scale.
+As a 5-limit temperament, the patent val for 36edo is [[Wedgies and Multivals|contorted]], meaning there are notes of it which cannot be reached from the unison using only 5-limit intervals. A curious alternative val for the 5-limit is &lt;36 65 116| which is not contorted. It is also a meantone val, in the sense that 81/80 is tempered out. However, the "comma" {{monzo|29 0 -9}} is also tempered out, and the "fifth", 29\36, is actually approximately 7/4, whereas the "major third", 44\36, is actually approximately 7/3. Any 5-limit musical piece or scale which is a [[transversal]] for a meantone piece or scale will be converted to a no-fives piece tempering out 1029/1024 in place of 81/80 by applying this val. Heinz Bohlen proposed it as a suitable temperament for approximating his 833-cents scale. The 13th harmonic (octave reduced) is so closely mapped on [[acoustic phi]] that 36edo could be treated as a 2.3.7.ϕ.17 temperament.
 === Prime harmonics ===
 {{harmonics in equal|36}}