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The parent of the '''tetracot family''' is '''tetracot''', the 5-limit temperament [[tempering out]] [[20000/19683]] = {{monzo| 5 -9 4 }}, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma. The dual of this comma is the wedgie {{multival| 4 9 5 }}, which tells us [[10/9]] is a generator, and that four of them give [[3/2]]. In fact, (10/9)<sup>4</sup> = 20000/19683 × 3/2. We also have (10/9)<sup>9</sup> = (20000/19683)<sup>2</sup> × 5/2. From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and [[34edo | The parent of the '''tetracot family''' is '''tetracot''', the 5-limit temperament [[tempering out]] [[20000/19683]] = {{monzo| 5 -9 4 }}, the minimal diesis or tetracot comma. The dual of this comma is the wedgie {{multival| 4 9 5 }}, which tells us [[10/9]] is a generator, and that four of them give [[3/2]]. In fact, (10/9)<sup>4</sup> = 20000/19683 × 3/2. We also have (10/9)<sup>9</sup> = (20000/19683)<sup>2</sup> × 5/2. From this it is evident we should flatten the generator a bit, and [[34edo]] does this and makes for a recommendable tuning. Another possibility is to use (5/2)<sup>1/9</sup> for a generator. The 13-note MOS gives enough space for eight triads, with the 20-note MOS supplying many more. | ||
The name comes from members of the Araucaria family of conifers, which have four cotyledons (though sometimes these are fused). | The name comes from members of the Araucaria family of conifers, which have four cotyledons (though sometimes these are fused). | ||
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Subgroup: 2.3.5 | Subgroup: 2.3.5 | ||
Comma list: 20000/19683 | [[Comma list]]: 20000/19683 | ||
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 1 1 }}, {{val| 0 4 9 }}] | |||
[[POTE generator]]: ~10/9 = 176.160 | [[POTE generator]]: ~10/9 = 176.160 | ||
[[ | [[Minimax tuning]]: | ||
* 5-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| -1/9 0 1/9 }} | |||
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 5 | |||
{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 20c, 27, 34, 75, 109, 470b, 579b }} | {{Val list|legend=1| 7, 20c, 27, 34, 75, 109, 470b, 579b }} | ||
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==== Monkey and bunya ==== | ==== Monkey and bunya ==== | ||
'''Monkey''' tempers out the keema. The keema, 875/864, is the amount by which three just minor thirds fall short of 7/4, and tells us the 7/4 of monkey is reached by three minor thirds in succession. It can be described as the 34&41 temperament, if the vals in question are taken to be [[patent val]]s, meaning that ''n''×log<sub>2</sub>(prime) rounded to the nearest integer gives the mapping. [[41edo | '''Monkey''' tempers out the keema. The keema, 875/864, is the amount by which three just minor thirds fall short of 7/4, and tells us the 7/4 of monkey is reached by three minor thirds in succession. It can be described as the 34&41 temperament, if the vals in question are taken to be [[patent val]]s, meaning that ''n''×log<sub>2</sub>(prime) rounded to the nearest integer gives the mapping. [[41edo]] is an excellent tuning for monkey, and has the effect of making monkey identical to bunya with the same tuning. | ||
'''Bunya''' adds 225/224 to the list of commas and may be described as the 41&75 temperament. 41edo can again be used as a tuning, in which case it is the same as monkey. However an excellent alternative is 14<sup>1/26</sup> as a generator, giving just 7s and an improved value for 5, at the cost of a slightly sharper, but still less than a cent sharp, fifth. Octave stretching, if employed, also serves to distinguish bunya from monkey, as its octaves should be stretched considerably less. | |||
Since the generator in all cases is between 10/9 and 11/10, it is natural to extend these temperaments to the 11-limit by tempering out (10/9)/(11/10) = [[100/99]]. This gives 11-limit monkey, {{multival| 4 9 -15 10 … }} and 11-limit bunya, {{multival| 4 9 26 10 … }}. Again, 41edo can be used as a tuning, making the two identical, which is also the case if we turn to the 2.3.5.11 temperament, dispensing with 7. However 11-limit bunya, like 7-limit bunya, profits a little from a slightly sharper fifth, such as the 14<sup>1/26</sup> generator supplies, or even sharper yet, as for instance by the val {{val| 355 563 823 997 1230 }}, with a 52/355 generator. | |||
Since [[16/13]] is shy of (10/9)<sup>2</sup> by just [[325/324]], it is likewise natural to extend our winning streak with these temperaments by adding this to the list of commas. This gives us {{multival| 4 9 -15 10 -2 … }} for 13-limit monkey and {{multival| 4 9 26 10 -2 … }} for 13-limit bunya. Once again, 41edo is recommended as a tuning for monkey, while bunya can with advantage tune the fifth sharper: 17/116 as a generator with a fifth a cent and a half sharp or 11/75 with a fifth two cents sharp. | |||
=== Subgroup temperament === | |||
{{see also| No-sevens subgroup temperaments #Tetracot }} | |||
The tetracot temperament works well for the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, in which tempering out 100/99 and 243/242. In this temperament, 3/2 is divided into four equal parts, which represents both 10/9 and 11/10. | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 100/99, 243/242 | |||
[[Gencom]]: [2 10/9; 100/99 243/242] | |||
[[Mapping|Sval mapping]]: [{{val|1 1 1 2}}, {{val|0 4 9 10}}] | |||
[[Tp tuning|POL2 generator]]: ~10/9 = 175.985 | |||
{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 27e, 34, 41, 75e }} | |||
== Monkey == | == Monkey == | ||
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{{see also| Chords of octacot }} | {{see also| Chords of octacot }} | ||
Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds [[245/243]] to the normal comma list, and also tempers out [[2401/2400]]. It may also be described as 41&68. [[68edo | Octacot cuts the Gordian knot of deciding between the monkey and bunya mappings for 7 by cutting the generator in half and splitting the difference. It adds [[245/243]] to the normal comma list, and also tempers out [[2401/2400]]. It may also be described as 41&68. [[68edo]] or [[109edo]] can be used as tunings, as can (5/2)<sup>1/18</sup>, which gives just major thirds. Another tuning is [[150edo]], which has a generator, 11/150, of exactly 88 cents. This relates octacot to the [[88cET]] non-octave temperament, which like [[Carlos Alpha]] arguably makes more sense viewed as part of a rank two temperament with octaves rather than rank one without them. | ||
Once again and for the same reasons, it is natural to add 100/99 and 325/324 to the list of commas, giving {{multival| 8 18 11 20 -4 … }} as the octave part of the wedgie. Generators of 3\41, 8\109 and 11\150 (88 cents) are all good choices for the 7, 11 and 13 limits. | Once again and for the same reasons, it is natural to add 100/99 and 325/324 to the list of commas, giving {{multival| 8 18 11 20 -4 … }} as the octave part of the wedgie. Generators of 3\41, 8\109 and 11\150 (88 cents) are all good choices for the 7, 11 and 13 limits. | ||