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POTE generator: ~11/10 = 164.0777
POTE generator: ~11/10 = 164.0777


Vals: {{val list| 7, 15, 22, 37, 73ce, 95ce }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 7, 15, 22, 37, 73ce, 95ce }}


==== Undecimation ====
==== Undecimation ====
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POTE generator: ~88/65 = 518.2094
POTE generator: ~88/65 = 518.2094


Vals: {{val list| 7, 23bc, 30, 37, 44 }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 7, 23bc, 30, 37, 44 }}


== Septimal porcupine ==
== Septimal porcupine ==
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* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636]
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636]


Vals: {{val list| 7, 15, 22, 37, 59 }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 7, 15, 22, 37, 59 }}


Badness: 0.021562
Badness: 0.021562
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* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = 163.636
* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = 163.636


Vals: {{val list| 7, 15, 22f, 37f }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 7, 15, 22f, 37f }}


Badness: 0.021276
Badness: 0.021276
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* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = 162.162
* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = 162.162


Vals: {{val list| 15, 22, 37, 59, 96b }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 15, 22, 37, 59, 96b }}


Badness: 0.025314
Badness: 0.025314
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: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 14/13
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 14/13


Vals: {{val list| 15f, 22f, 37 }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 15f, 22f, 37 }}


Badness: 0.035130
Badness: 0.035130
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: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 9/7
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 9/7


Vals: {{val list| 7, 15f, 22 }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 7, 15f, 22 }}


Badness: 0.026043
Badness: 0.026043
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POTE generator: ~8/7 = 158.750
POTE generator: ~8/7 = 158.750


Vals: {{val list| 7, 8d, 15d }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 7, 8d, 15d }}


Badness: 0.026790
Badness: 0.026790
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: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 7/5
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 7/5


Vals: {{val list| 7d, 15d, 22, 29, 51, 73ce }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 7d, 15d, 22, 29, 51, 73ce }}


Badness: 0.027268
Badness: 0.027268
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POTE generator: ~10/9 = 164.953
POTE generator: ~10/9 = 164.953


Vals: {{val list| 7d, 22, 29, 51f, 80cdeff }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 7d, 22, 29, 51f, 80cdeff }}


Badness: 0.026543
Badness: 0.026543
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: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 3
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 3


Vals: {{val list| 7, 29, 65ce, 94cde }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 7, 29, 65ce, 94cde }}


Badness: 0.049669
Badness: 0.049669
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: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 3
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 3


Vals: {{val list| 7, 29, 65cef, 94cdef }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 7, 29, 65cef, 94cdef }}


Badness: 0.030233
Badness: 0.030233
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POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.386
POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.386


Vals: {{val list| 8d, 14c, 22, 58ce, 80ce, 102cde }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 8d, 14c, 22, 58ce, 80ce, 102cde }}


Badness: 0.023095
Badness: 0.023095
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POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.861
POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.861


Vals: {{val list| 8d, 14cf, 22 }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 8d, 14cf, 22 }}


Badness: 0.021516
Badness: 0.021516
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POTE generator: ~9/7 = 437.078
POTE generator: ~9/7 = 437.078


Vals: {{val list| 14c, 22f }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 14c, 22f }}


Badness: 0.025233
Badness: 0.025233
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POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.425
POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.425


Vals: {{val list| 22, 80c, 102cd, 124cd }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 22, 80c, 102cd, 124cd }}


Badness: 0.068406
Badness: 0.068406
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POTE generator: ~21/20 = 82.504
POTE generator: ~21/20 = 82.504


Vals: {{val list| 14c, 15, 29, 44d, 59d, 73cde, 102cde }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 14c, 15, 29, 44d, 59d, 73cde, 102cde }}


Badness: 0.026023
Badness: 0.026023
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POTE generator: ~21/20 = 82.530
POTE generator: ~21/20 = 82.530


Vals: {{val list| 14cf, 15, 29, 44d, 59df, 73cde, 102cde }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 14cf, 15, 29, 44d, 59df, 73cde, 102cde }}


Badness: 0.022285
Badness: 0.022285
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POTE generator: ~21/20 = 81.759
POTE generator: ~21/20 = 81.759


Vals: {{val list| 14c, 15, 29f, 44df }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 14c, 15, 29f, 44df }}


Badness: 0.029816
Badness: 0.029816
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POTE generator: ~9/7 = 454.512
POTE generator: ~9/7 = 454.512


Vals: {{val list| 29, 37, 66 }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 29, 37, 66 }}


Badness: 0.045694
Badness: 0.045694
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POTE generator: ~13/10 = 454.529
POTE generator: ~13/10 = 454.529


Vals: {{val list| 29, 37, 66 }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 29, 37, 66 }}


Badness: 0.027168
Badness: 0.027168
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POTE generator: ~36/35 = 54.376
POTE generator: ~36/35 = 54.376


Vals: {{val list| 1ce, 21ce, 22 }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 1ce, 21ce, 22 }}


Badness: 0.051319
Badness: 0.051319
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POTE generator: ~36/35 = 54.665
POTE generator: ~36/35 = 54.665


Vals: {{val list| 1ce, 21cef, 22 }}
Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 1ce, 21cef, 22 }}


Badness: 0.044739
Badness: 0.044739

Revision as of 00:42, 8 January 2022

The 5-limit parent comma for the porcupine family is 250/243, the maximal diesis or porcupine comma. Its monzo is [1 -5 3, and flipping that yields ⟨⟨ 3 5 1 ]] for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a minor whole tone, the 10/9 interval, and that three of these add up to a fourth, with two more giving the minor sixth. In fact, (10/9)3 = 4/3 × 250/243, and (10/9)5 = 8/5 × (250/243)2. 3\22 is a very recommendable generator, and MOS of 7, 8 and 15 notes make for some nice scale possibilities.

The second comma of the normal comma list defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. That means

All these 7-limit extensions notably share the same 2.3.5.11 subgroup, porkypine.

Temperaments discussed elsewhere include opossum, oxygen, and jamesbond.

Porcupine

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: 250/243

Mapping: [1 2 3], 0 -3 -5]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 163.950

Tuning ranges:

  • 5-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = [150.000, 171.429] (1\8 to 1\7)
  • 5-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [157.821, 166.015]
  • 5-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [157.821, 166.015]

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.030778

Porkypine

Subgroup: 2.3.5.11

Comma list: 55/54, 100/99

Sval mapping: [1 2 3 4], 0 -3 -5 -4]]

Gencom mapping: [1 2 3 0 4], 0 -3 -5 0 -4]]

Gencom: [2 10/9; 55/54, 100/99]

POTE generator: ~11/10 = 164.0777

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Undecimation

Subgroup: 2.3.5.11.13

Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 512/507

Sval mapping: [1 -1 -2 0 5], 0 6 10 8 -3]]

POTE generator: ~88/65 = 518.2094

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Septimal porcupine

Porcupine uses six of its minor tone generator steps to get to 7/4. For this to work you need a small minor tone such as 22EDO provides, and once again 3\22 is a good tuning choice, though we might pick in preference 8\59, 11\81, or 19\140 for our generator.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 64/63, 250/243

Mapping: [1 2 3 2], 0 -3 -5 6]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 3 5 -6 1 -18 -28 ]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 162.880

Minimax tuning:

Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 5/4
Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 9/7

Tuning ranges:

  • 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
  • 7-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [157.821, 166.015]
  • 9-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [157.821, 182.404]
  • 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636]

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.041057

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99

Mapping: [1 2 3 2 4], 0 -3 -5 6 -4]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 162.747

Minimax tuning:

  • 11-odd-limit: ~10/9 = [1/6 -1/6 0 1/12
Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 9/7

Tuning ranges:

  • 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
  • 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [150.637, 182.404]
  • 11-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636]

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.021562

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 40/39, 55/54, 64/63, 66/65

Mapping: [1 2 3 2 4 4], 0 -3 -5 6 -4 -2]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 162.708

Minimax tuning:

  • 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = [1 0 0 0 -1/4
Eigenmonzo (unchanged intervals): 2, 11/8

Tuning ranges:

  • 13-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
  • 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = 163.636 (3\22)
  • 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [138.573, 182.404]
  • 13-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636]
  • 15-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = 163.636

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.021276

Porcupinefish

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 91/90, 100/99

Mapping: [1 2 3 2 4 6], 0 -3 -5 6 -4 -17]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 162.277

Minimax tuning:

  • 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = [2/13 0 0 0 1/13 -1/13
Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 13/11

Tuning ranges:

  • 13-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = [160.000, 162.162] (2\15 to 5\37)
  • 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = 162.162 (5\37)
  • 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [150.637, 182.404]
  • 13-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [160.000, 162.162]
  • 15-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = 162.162

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.025314

Pourcup

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99, 196/195

Mapping: [1 2 3 2 4 1], 0 -3 -5 6 -4 20]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 162.482

Minimax tuning:

  • 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = [1/14 0 0 -1/14 0 1/14
Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 14/13

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.035130

Porkpie

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 65/63, 100/99

Mapping: [1 2 3 2 4 3], 0 -3 -5 6 -4 5]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 163.688

Minimax tuning:

  • 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = [1/6 -1/6 0 1/12
Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 9/7

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.026043

Hystrix

Hystrix provides a less complex avenue to the 7-limit. Unfortunately in temperaments as in life you get what you pay for, and hystrix, for which a generator of 2\15 or 9\68 can be used, is a temperament for the adventurous souls who have probably already tried 15EDO. They can try the even sharper fifth of hystrix in 68EDO and see how that suits.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 36/35, 160/147

Mapping: [1 2 3 3], 0 -3 -5 -1]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 3 5 1 1 -7 -12 ]]

POTE generator: ~8/7 = 158.868

Minimax tuning:

Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 5/4

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.044944

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 22/21, 36/35, 80/77

Mapping: [1 2 3 3 4], 0 -3 -5 -1 -4]]

POTE generator: ~8/7 = 158.750

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.026790

Porky

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 225/224, 250/243

Mapping: [1 2 3 5], 0 -3 -5 -16]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 3 5 16 1 17 23 ]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 164.412

Minimax tuning:

Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 7/5

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.054389

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 225/224

Mapping: [1 2 3 5 4], 0 -3 -5 -16 -4]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 164.552

Minimax tuning:

  • 11-odd-limit: ~10/9 = [2/11 0 1/11 -1/11
Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 7/5

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.027268

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 55/54, 65/64, 91/90, 100/99

Mapping: [1 2 3 5 4 3], 0 -3 -5 -16 -4 5]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 164.953

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.026543

Coendou

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 250/243, 525/512

Mapping: [1 2 3 1], 0 -3 -5 13]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 3 5 -13 1 -29 -44 ]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 166.041

Minimax tuning:

Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 3

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.118344

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 525/512

Mapping: [1 2 3 1 4], 0 -3 -5 13 -4]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 165.981

Minimax tuning:

  • 11-odd-limit: ~10/9 = [2/3 -1/3
Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 3

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.049669

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 55/54, 65/64, 100/99, 105/104

Mapping: [1 2 3 1 4 3], 0 -3 -5 13 -4 5]]

POTE generator: ~10/9 = 165.974

Minimax tuning:

  • 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = [2/3 -1/3
Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 3

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.030233

Hedgehog

Hedgehog has a period 1/2 octave and a generator which can be taken to be 9/7 instead of 10/9. It also tempers out 245/243, the sensamagic comma. 22EDO provides the obvious tuning, but if you are looking for an alternative, you could try the 146 232 338 411] val with generator 10\73, or you could try 164 cents if you are fond of round numbers. The 14 note MOS gives scope for harmony while stopping well short of 22.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 50/49, 245/243

Mapping: [2 1 1 2], 0 3 5 5]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 6 10 10 2 -1 -5 ]]

POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.648

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.043983

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 99/98

Mapping: [2 1 1 2 4], 0 3 5 5 4]]

POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.386

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.023095

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 65/63, 99/98

Mapping: [2 1 1 2 4 3], 0 3 5 5 4 6]]

POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.861

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.021516

Urchin

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 55/54, 66/65

Mapping: [2 1 1 2 4 6], 0 3 5 5 4 2]]

POTE generator: ~9/7 = 437.078

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.025233

Hedgepig

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 50/49, 245/243, 385/384

Mapping: [2 1 1 2 12], 0 3 5 5 -7]]

POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.425

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.068406

Music

Phobos Light by Chris Vaisvil in Hedgehog[14] tuned to 22EDO.

Nautilus

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 49/48, 250/243

Mapping: [1 2 3 3], 0 -6 -10 -3]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 6 10 3 2 -12 -21 ]]

POTE generator: ~21/20 = 82.505

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.057420

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 49/48, 55/54, 245/242

Mapping: [1 2 3 3 4], 0 -6 -10 -3 -8]]

POTE generator: ~21/20 = 82.504

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.026023

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 49/48, 55/54, 91/90, 100/99

Mapping: [1 2 3 3 4 5], 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 -19]]

POTE generator: ~21/20 = 82.530

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.022285

Belauensis

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 40/39, 49/48, 55/54, 66/65

Mapping: [1 2 3 3 4 4], 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 -4]]

POTE generator: ~21/20 = 81.759

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.029816

Music

Nautilus Reverie by Igliashon Calvin Jones-Coolidge

Ammonite

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 250/243, 686/675

Mapping: [1 5 8 10], 0 -9 -15 -19]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 9 15 19 3 5 2 ]]

POTE generator: ~9/7 = 454.448

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.107686

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 686/675

Mapping: [1 5 8 10 8], 0 -9 -15 -19 -12]]

POTE generator: ~9/7 = 454.512

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.045694

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 55/54, 91/90, 100/99, 169/168

Mapping: [1 5 8 10 8 9], 0 -9 -15 -19 -12 -14]]

POTE generator: ~13/10 = 454.529

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.027168

Ceratitid

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 250/243, 1728/1715

Mapping: [1 2 3 3], 0 -9 -15 -4]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 9 15 4 3 -19 -33 ]]

POTE generator: ~36/35 = 54.384

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.115304

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 352/343

Mapping: [1 2 3 3 4], 0 -9 -15 -4 -12]]

POTE generator: ~36/35 = 54.376

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.051319

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 55/54, 65/63, 100/99, 352/343

Mapping: [1 2 3 3 4 4], 0 -9 -15 -4 -12 -7]]

POTE generator: ~36/35 = 54.665

Optimal GPV sequence: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.044739