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'''Breedsmic temperaments''' are rank two temperaments tempering out the [[breedsma]], |-5 -1 -2 4> = [[2401/2400]]. This is the amount by which two 49/40 intervals exceed 3/2, and by which two 60/49 intervals fall short. Either of these represent a neutral third interval which is highly characteristic of breedsmic tempering; any tuning system (12edo, for example) which does not possess a neutral third cannot be tempering out the breedsma.
'''Breedsmic temperaments''' are rank two temperaments tempering out the [[breedsma]], {{monzo|-5 -1 -2 4}} = [[2401/2400]]. This is the amount by which two 49/40 intervals exceed 3/2, and by which two 60/49 intervals fall short. Either of these represent a neutral third interval which is highly characteristic of breedsmic tempering; any tuning system (12edo, for example) which does not possess a neutral third cannot be tempering out the breedsma.


It is also the amount by which four stacked 10/7 intervals exceed 25/6: 10000/2401 * 2401/2400 = 10000/2400 = 25/6, which is two octaves above the chromatic semitone, 25/24. We might note also that 49/40 * 10/7 = 7/4 and 49/40 * (10/7)^2 = 5/2, relationships which will be significant in any breedsmic temperament. As a consequence of these facts, the 49/40+60/49 neutral third and the 7/5 and 10/7 intervals tend to have relatively low complexity in a breedsmic system.
It is also the amount by which four stacked 10/7 intervals exceed 25/6: 10000/2401 * 2401/2400 = 10000/2400 = 25/6, which is two octaves above the chromatic semitone, 25/24. We might note also that 49/40 * 10/7 = 7/4 and 49/40 * (10/7)^2 = 5/2, relationships which will be significant in any breedsmic temperament. As a consequence of these facts, the 49/40+60/49 neutral third and the 7/5 and 10/7 intervals tend to have relatively low complexity in a breedsmic system.
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{{main|Hemififths}}
{{main|Hemififths}}


Hemififths tempers out 5120/5103, the hemifamity comma, and 10976/10935, hemimage. It has a neutral third as a generator, with [[99edo|99EDO]] and [[140edo|140EDO]] providing good tunings, and [[239edo|239EDO]] an even better one; and other possible tunings are (160)^(1/25), giving just 5s, the 7 and 9 limit minimax tuning, or 14^(1/13), giving just 7s. It may be called the 41&58 temperament and has wedgie <<2 25 13 35 15 -40||, which tells us that it requires 25 generator steps to get to the class for major thirds, whereas the 7 is half as complex, and hence hemififths makes for a good no-fives temperament, to which the 17 and 24 note MOS are suited. The full force of this highly accurate temperament can be found using the 41 note MOS or even the 34 note 2MOS.
Hemififths tempers out 5120/5103, the hemifamity comma, and 10976/10935, hemimage. It has a neutral third as a generator, with [[99edo|99EDO]] and [[140edo|140EDO]] providing good tunings, and [[239edo|239EDO]] an even better one; and other possible tunings are (160)^(1/25), giving just 5s, the 7 and 9 limit minimax tuning, or 14^(1/13), giving just 7s. It may be called the 41&58 temperament and has wedgie {{multival|2 25 13 35 15 -40}}, which tells us that it requires 25 generator steps to get to the class for major thirds, whereas the 7 is half as complex, and hence hemififths makes for a good no-fives temperament, to which the 17 and 24 note MOS are suited. The full force of this highly accurate temperament can be found using the 41 note MOS or even the 34 note 2MOS.


By adding 243/242 (which also means 441/440, 540/539 and 896/891) to the commas, hemififths extends to a less accurate 11-limit version, but one where 11/4 is only five generator steps. 99EDO is an excellent tuning; one which loses little of the accuracy of the 7-limit but improves the 11-limit a bit. Now adding 144/143 brings in the 13-limit with less accuracy yet, but with very low complexity, as the generator can be taken to be 16/13. 99 remains a good tuning choice.
By adding 243/242 (which also means 441/440, 540/539 and 896/891) to the commas, hemififths extends to a less accurate 11-limit version, but one where 11/4 is only five generator steps. 99EDO is an excellent tuning; one which loses little of the accuracy of the 7-limit but improves the 11-limit a bit. Now adding 144/143 brings in the 13-limit with less accuracy yet, but with very low complexity, as the generator can be taken to be 16/13. 99 remains a good tuning choice.
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{{main|Tertiaseptal}}
{{main|Tertiaseptal}}


Aside from the breedsma, tertiaseptal tempers out 65625/65536, the horwell comma, 703125/702464, the meter, and 2100875/2097152, the rainy comma. It can be described as the 31&171 temperament, and 256/245, 1029/1024 less than 21/20, serves as its generator. Three of these fall short of 8/7 by 2100875/2097152, and the generator can be taken as 1/3 of an 8/7 flattened by a fraction of a cent. [[171edo]] makes for an excellent tuning. The 15 or 16 note MOS can be used to explore no-threes harmony, and the 31 note MOS gives plenty of room for those as well.
Aside from the breedsma, tertiaseptal tempers out 65625/65536, the horwell comma, 703125/702464, the meter, and 2100875/2097152, the rainy comma. It can be described as the 31&171 temperament, and 256/245, 1029/1024 less than 21/20, serves as its generator. Three of these fall short of 8/7 by 2100875/2097152, and the generator can be taken as 1/3 of an 8/7 flattened by a fraction of a cent. [[171edo|171EDO]] makes for an excellent tuning. The 15 or 16 note MOS can be used to explore no-threes harmony, and the 31 note MOS gives plenty of room for those as well.


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
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= Quasiorwell =
= Quasiorwell =
In addition to 2401/2400, quasiorwell tempers out 29360128/29296875 = |22 -1 -10 1>. It has a wedgie <<38 -3 8 -93 -94 27||. It has a generator 1024/875, which is 6144/6125 more than 7/6. It may be described as the 31&270 temperament, and as one might expect, 61\270 makes for an excellent tuning choice. Other possibilities are (7/2)^(1/8), giving just 7s, or 384^(1/38), giving pure fifths.
In addition to 2401/2400, quasiorwell tempers out 29360128/29296875 = {{monzo|22 -1 -10 1}}. It has a wedgie {{multival|38 -3 8 -93 -94 27}}. It has a generator 1024/875, which is 6144/6125 more than 7/6. It may be described as the 31&270 temperament, and as one might expect, 61\270 makes for an excellent tuning choice. Other possibilities are (7/2)^(1/8), giving just 7s, or 384^(1/38), giving pure fifths.


Adding 3025/3024 extends to the 11-limit and gives <<38 -3 8 64 ...|| for the initial wedgie, and as expected, 270 remains an excellent tuning.
Adding 3025/3024 extends to the 11-limit and gives {{multival|38 -3 8 64 ...}} for the initial wedgie, and as expected, 270 remains an excellent tuning.


Commas: 2401/2400, 29360128/29296875
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


POTE generator: ~1024/875 = 271.107
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 29360128/29296875


Map: [<1 31 0 9|, <0 -38 3 -8|]
[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 31 0 9}}, {{val|0 -38 3 -8}}]


EDOs: [[31edo|31]], [[177edo|177]], [[208edo|208]], [[239edo|239]], [[270edo|270]], [[571edo|571]], [[841edo|841]], [[1111edo|1111]]
[[POTE generator]]: ~1024/875 = 271.107


Badness: 0.0358
{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 177, 208, 239, 270, 571, 841, 1111 }}


==11-limit==
[[Badness]]: 0.035832
Commas: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 5632/5625
 
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 5632/5625
 
Mapping: [{{val|1 31 0 9 53}}, {{val|0 -38 3 -8 -64}}]


POTE generator: ~90/77 = 271.111
POTE generator: ~90/77 = 271.111


Map: [<1 31 0 9 53|, <0 -38 3 -8 -64|]
Vals: {{Val list| 31, 208, 239, 270 }}


EDOs: [[31edo|31]], [[208edo|208]], [[239edo|239]], [[270edo|270]]
Badness: 0.017540


Badness: 0.0175
== 13-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


==13-limit==
Commas: 1001/1000, 1716/1715, 3025/3024, 4096/4095
Commas: 1001/1000, 1716/1715, 3025/3024, 4096/4095
Mapping: [{{val|1 31 0 9 53 -59}}, {{val|0 -38 3 -8 -64 81}}]


POTE generator: ~90/77 = 271.107
POTE generator: ~90/77 = 271.107


Map: [<1 31 0 9 53 -59|, <0 -38 3 -8 -64 81|]
Vals: {{Val list| 31, 239, 270, 571, 841, 1111 }}


EDOs: [[31edo|31]], [[239edo|239]], [[270edo|270]], [[571edo|571]], [[841edo|841]], [[1111edo|1111]]
Badness: 0.017921


Badness: 0.0179
= Decoid =
{{see also|Qintosec family #Decoid}}


=Decoid=
In addition to 2401/2400, decoid tempers out 67108864/66976875 to temper 15/14 into one degree of [[10edo|10 EDO]]. Either 8/7 or 16/15 can be used its generator. It may be described as the 130&270 temperament, and as one might expect, 181\940 or 233\1210 makes for an excellent tuning choice. It is also described as an extension of the [[Qintosec family|qintosec temperament]].
{{see also|Qintosec family #Decoid}}


In addition to 2401/2400, decoid tempers out 67108864/66976875 to temper 15/14 into one degree of [[10edo]]. Either 8/7 or 16/15 can be used its generator. It may be described as the 130&270 temperament, and as one might expect, 181\940 or 233\1210 makes for an excellent tuning choice. It is also described as an extension of the [[Qintosec family|qintosec temperament]].
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 67108864/66976875
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 67108864/66976875


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: ~8/7 = 231.099
[[Mapping]]: [{{val|10 0 47 36}}, {{val|0 2 -3 -1}}]


[[Map]]: [<10 0 47 36|, <0 2 -3 -1|]
{{Multival|legend=1|20 -30 -10 -94 -72 61}}


Wedgie: <<20 -30 -10 -94 -72 61||
[[POTE generator]]: ~8/7 = 231.099


{{Vals|legend=1| 10, 130, 270, 2020c, 2290c, 2560c, 2830bc, 3100bcc, 3370bcc, 3640bcc }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 10, 130, 270, 2020c, 2290c, 2560c, 2830bc, 3100bcc, 3370bcc, 3640bcc }}


[[Badness]]: 0.033902
[[Badness]]: 0.033902


==11-limit==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 2401/2400, 5832/5825, 9801/9800
Comma list: 2401/2400, 5832/5825, 9801/9800
Mapping: [{{val|10 0 47 36 98}}, {{val|0 2 -3 -1 -8}}]


POTE generator: ~8/7 = 231.070
POTE generator: ~8/7 = 231.070


Map: [<10 0 47 36 98|, <0 2 -3 -1 -8|]
Vals: {{Val list| 10e, 130, 270, 670, 940, 1210, 2150c }}


Vals: {{Vals| 10e, 130, 270, 670, 940, 1210, 2150c }}
Badness: 0.018735


Badness: 0.018735
== 13-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


==13-limit==
Comma list: 676/675, 1001/1000, 1716/1715, 4225/4224
Comma list: 676/675, 1001/1000, 1716/1715, 4225/4224
Mapping: [{{val|10 0 47 36 98 37}}, {{val|0 2 -3 -1 -8 0}}]


POTE generator: ~8/7 = 231.083
POTE generator: ~8/7 = 231.083


Map: [<10 0 47 36 98 37|, <0 2 -3 -1 -8 0|]
Vals: {{Val list| 10e, 130, 270, 940, 1210f, 1480cf }}
 
Badness: 0.013475
 
= Neominor =
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


Vals: {{Vals| 10e, 130, 270, 940, 1210f, 1480cf }}
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 177147/175616


Badness: 0.013475
[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 3 12 8}}, {{val|0 -6 -41 -22}}]


=Neominor=
{{Multival|legend=1|6 41 22 51 18 -64}}
Commas: 2401/2400, 177147/175616


POTE generator: ~189/160 = 283.280
[[POTE generator]]: ~189/160 = 283.280


Map: [<1 3 12 8|, <0 -6 -41 -22|]
{{Val list|legend=1| 72, 161, 233, 305 }}


Weggie: <<6 41 22 51 18 -64||
[[Badness]]: 0.088221


EDOs: 72, 161, 233, 305
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Badness: 0.0882
Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 35937/35840


==11-limit==
Mapping: [{{val|1 3 12 8 7}}, {{val|0 -6 -41 -22 -15}}]
Commas: 243/242, 441/440, 35937/35840
 
POTE generator: ~33/28 = 283.276


POTE: ~33/28 = 283.276
Vals: {{Val list| 72, 161, 233, 305 }}


Map: [<1 3 12 8 7|, <0 -6 -41 -22 -15|]
Badness: 0.027959


EDOs: 72, 161, 233, 305
== 13-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Badness: 0.0280
Comma list: 169/168, 243/242, 364/363, 441/440


==13-limit==
Mapping: [{{val|1 3 12 8 7 7}}, {{val|0 -6 -41 -22 -15 -14}}]
Commas: 169/168, 243/242, 364/363, 441/440


POTE generator: ~13/11 = 283.294
POTE generator: ~13/11 = 283.294


Map: [<1 3 12 8 7 7|, <0 -6 -41 -22 -15 -14|]
Vals: {{Val list| 72, 161f, 233f }}


EDOs: 72, 161f, 233f
Badness: 0.026942


Badness: 0.0269
= Emmthird =
The generator for emmthird temperament is the hemimage third, sharper than 5/4 by the hemimage comma, 10976/10935.


=Emmthird=
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
The generator for emmthird temperament is the hemimage third, sharper than 5/4 by the hemimage comma, 10976/10935.
 
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 14348907/14336000
 
[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 -3 -17 -8}}, {{val|0 14 59 33}}]
 
{{Multival|legend=1|14 59 33 61 13 -89}}
 
[[POTE generator]]: ~2744/2187 = 392.988


Commas: 2401/2400, 14348907/14336000
{{Val list|legend=1| 58, 113, 171, 742, 913, 1084, 1255, 2681d, 3936d }}


POTE generator: ~2744/2187 = 392.988
[[Badness]]: 0.016736


Map: [<1 11 42 25|,  <0 -14 -59 -33|]
= Quinmite =
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


Wedgie: <<14 59 33 61 13 -89||
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 1959552/1953125


EDOs: 58, 113, 171, 742, 913, 1084, 1255, 2681d, 3936d
[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 -7 -5 -3}}, {{val|0 34 29 23}}]


Badness: 0.0167
{{Multival|legend=1|34 29 23 -33 -59 -28}}


=Quinmite=
[[POTE generator]]: ~25/21 = 302.997
Commas: 2401/2400, 1959552/1953125


POTE generator: ~25/21 = 302.997
{{Val list|legend=1| 95, 99, 202, 301, 400, 701, 1101c, 1802c, 2903cc }}


Map: [<1 27 24 20|, <0 -34 -29 -23|]
[[Badness]]: 0.037322


Wedgie: <<34 29 23 -33 -59 -28||
= Unthirds =
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


EDOs: 95, 99, 202, 301, 400, 701, 1001c, 1802c, 2903c
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 68359375/68024448


Badness: 0.0373
[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 -13 -14 -9}}, {{val|0 42 47 34}}]


=Unthirds=
{{Multival|legend=1|42 47 34 -23 -64 -53}}
Commas: 2401/2400, 68359375/68024448


POTE generator: ~3969/3125 = 416.717
[[POTE generator]]: ~3969/3125 = 416.717


Map: [<1 29 33 25|, <0 -42 -47 -34|]
{{Val list|legend=1| 72, 167, 239, 311, 694, 1005c }}


Wedgie: <<42 47 34 -23 -64 -53||
[[Badness]]: 0.075253


EDOs: 72, 167, 239, 311, 694, 1005c
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Badness: 0.0753
Comma list: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 4000/3993


==11-limit==
Map: [{{val|1 -13 -14 -9 -8}}, {{val|0 42 47 34 33}}]
Commas: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 4000/3993


POTE generator: ~14/11 = 416.718
POTE generator: ~14/11 = 416.718


Map: [<1 29 33 25 25|, <0 -42 -47 -34 -33|]
Vals: {{Val list| 72, 167, 239, 311, 1316c }}


EDOs: 72, 167, 239, 311, 1316c
Badness: 0.022926


Badness: 0.0229
== 13-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 625/624, 1575/1573, 2080/2079, 2401/2400


==13-limit==
Mapping: [{{val|1 -13 -14 -9 -9 -47}}, {{val|0 42 47 34 33 146}}]
Commas: 625/624, 1575/1573, 2080/2079, 2401/2400


POTE generator: ~14/11 = 416.716
POTE generator: ~14/11 = 416.716


Map: [<1 29 33 25 25 99|, <0 -42 -47 -34 -33 -146|]
Vals: {{Val list| 72, 311, 694, 1005c, 1699cd }}


EDOs: 72, 311, 694, 1005c, 1699cd
Badness: 0.020888


Badness: 0.0209
= Newt =
 
=Newt=
Commas: 2401/2400, 33554432/33480783
Commas: 2401/2400, 33554432/33480783


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Badness: 0.0419
Badness: 0.0419


==11-limit==
== 11-limit ==
Commas: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 19712/19683
Commas: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 19712/19683


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Badness: 0.0195
Badness: 0.0195


==13-limit==
== 13-limit ==
Commas: 2080/2079, 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 4096/4095
Commas: 2080/2079, 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 4096/4095


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Badness: 0.0138
Badness: 0.0138


=Amicable=
= Amicable =
{{see also| Amity family }}
{{see also| Amity family }}


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Badness: 0.0455
Badness: 0.0455


=Septidiasemi=
= Septidiasemi =
Commas: 2401/2400, 2152828125/2147483648
Commas: 2401/2400, 2152828125/2147483648


POTE generator: ~15/14 = 119.297
POTE generator: ~15/14 = 119.297


Map: [<1 25 -31 -8|, <0 -26 37 12|]
Map: [<1 -1 6 4|, <0 26 -37 -12|]


Wedgie: <<26 -37 -12 -119 -92 76||
Wedgie: <<26 -37 -12 -119 -92 76||
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Badness: 0.0217
Badness: 0.0217


=Cotritone=
= Cotritone =
Commas: 2401/2400, 390625/387072
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


POTE generator: ~7/5 = 583.3848
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 390625/387072


Map: [<1 -13 -4 -4|, <0 30 13 14|]
[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 -13 -4 -4}}, {{val|0 30 13 14}}]


EDOs: 35, 37, 72, 109, 181, 253
[[POTE generator]]: ~7/5 = 583.385


==11-limit==
{{Val list|legend=1| 35, 37, 72, 109, 181, 253 }}
Commas: 385/384, 1375/1372, 4000/3993
 
[[Badness]]: 0.098322
 
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 385/384, 1375/1372, 4000/3993
 
Mapping: [{{val|1 -13 -4 -4 2}}, {{val|0 30 13 14 3}}]
 
POTE generator: ~7/5 = 583.387
 
Vals: {{Val list| 35, 37, 72, 109, 181, 253 }}


POTE generator: ~7/5 = 583.3872
Badness: 0.032225


Map: [<1 -13 -4 -4 2|, <0 30 13 14 3|]
== 13-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


EDOs: 35, 37, 72, 109, 181, 253
Comma list: 169/168, 364/363, 385/384, 625/624


==13-limit==
Mapping: [{{val|1 -13 -4 -4 2 -7}}, {{val|0 30 13 14 3 22}}]
Commas: 169/168, 364/363, 385/384, 625/624


POTE generator: ~7/5 = 583.3866
POTE generator: ~7/5 = 583.387


Map: [<1 -13 -4 -4 2 -7|, <0 30 13 14 3 22|]
Vals: {{Val list| 37, 72, 109, 181f }}


EDOs: 37, 72, 109, 181f
Badness: 0.028683


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