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== Intervals ==
== Intervals ==
The table of oneirotonic intervals below takes the flat fourth as the generator. Given the size of the subfourth generator ''g'', any oneirotonic interval can easily be found by noting what multiple of ''g'' it is, and multiplying the size by the number of generators it takes to reach the interval and reducing mod 1200 if necessary (The % sign can be used for the modulo operation on many search engines). For example, since the large oneirothird is reached by six subfourth generators, [[18edo]]'s large oneirothird is 6*466.67 mod 1200 = 2800 mod 1200 = 400¢, same as the [[12edo]] major third.
The table of oneirotonic intervals below takes the flat fourth as the generator. Given the size of the subfourth generator ''g'', any oneirotonic interval can easily be found by noting what multiple of ''g'' it is, and multiplying the size by the number of generators it takes to reach the interval and reducing mod 1200 if necessary (The % sign can be used for the modulo operation on many search engines). For example, since the major oneirothird is reached by six subfourth generators, [[18edo]]'s major oneirothird is 6*466.67 mod 1200 = 2800 mod 1200 = 400¢, same as the [[12edo]] major third.
{| class="wikitable center-all"
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|-
|-
! # generators up
! # generators up
! Notation (1/1 = J)
! Notation (1/1 = J)
! Octatonic interval category name
! [[TAMNAMS]] name
! Abbrev.
! Abbrev.
! # generators up
! # generators up
! Notation of 2/1 inverse  
! Notation of 2/1 inverse  
! Octatonic interval category name
! [[TAMNAMS]] name
! Abbrev.
! Abbrev.
|-
|-
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| M
| M
| perfect oneirofourth (aka minor fourth, falling fourth)
| perfect oneirofourth (aka minor fourth, falling fourth)
| Po4
| Pon4
| -1
| -1
| O
| O
| perfect oneirosixth (aka major fifth, rising fifth)
| perfect oneirosixth (aka major fifth, rising fifth)
| Po6
| Pon6
|-
|-
| 2
| 2
| P
| P
| large oneiroseventh
| major oneiroseventh
| Lo7
| Lon7
| -2
| -2
| L
| L
| small oneirothird
| minor oneirothird
| so3
| son3
|-
|-
| 3
| 3
| K
| K
| large oneirosecond
| major oneirosecond
| Lo2
| Lon2
| -3
| -3
| Q
| Q
| small oneiroeighth
| minor oneiroeighth
| so8
| son8
|-
|-
| 4
| 4
| N
| N
| large oneirofifth (aka minor fifth, falling fifth)
| major oneirofifth (aka minor fifth, falling fifth)
| Lo5
| Lon5
| -4
| -4
| N@
| N@
| small oneirofifth (aka major fourth, rising fourth)
| minor oneirofifth (aka major fourth, rising fourth)
| so4
| son4
|-
|-
| 5
| 5
| Q&
| Q&
| large oneiroeighth
| major oneiroeighth
| Lo8
| Lon8
| -5
| -5
| K@
| K@
| small oneirosecond
| minor oneirosecond
| so2
| son2
|-
|-
| 6
| 6
| L&
| L&
| large oneirothird
| major oneirothird
| Lo3
| Lon3
| -6
| -6
| P@
| P@
| small oneiroseventh
| minor oneiroseventh
| so7
| son7
|-
|-
| 7
| 7
| O&
| O&
| augmented oneirosixth
| augmented oneirosixth
| Ao6
| Aon6
| -7
| -7
| M@
| M@
| diminished oneirofourth
| diminished oneirofourth
| d-o4
| d-on4
|-
|-
| colspan="8" style="text-align:center" | The chromatic 13-note MOS (either [[5L 8s]], [[8L 5s]], or [[13edo]]) also has the following intervals (from some root):
| colspan="8" style="text-align:center" | The chromatic 13-note MOS (either [[5L 8s]], [[8L 5s]], or [[13edo]]) also has the following intervals (from some root):
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| M&
| M&
| augmented oneirofourth
| augmented oneirofourth
| Ao4
| Aon4
| -9
| -9
| O@
| O@
| diminished oneirosixth
| diminished oneirosixth
| d-o6
| d-on6
|-
|-
| 10
| 10
| P&
| P&
| augmented oneiroseventh
| augmented oneiroseventh
| Ao7
| Aon7
| -10
| -10
| L@
| L@
| diminished oneirothird
| diminished oneirothird
| d-o3
| d-on3
|-
|-
| 11
| 11
| K&
| K&
| augmented oneirosecond
| augmented oneirosecond
| Ao2
| Aon2
| -11
| -11
| Q@
| Q@
| diminished oneiroeighth
| diminished oneiroeighth
| d-o8
| d-on8
|-
|-
| 12
| 12
| N&
| N&
| augmented oneirofifth
| augmented oneirofifth
| Ao5
| Aon5
| -12
| -12
| N@@
| N@@
| diminished oneirofifth
| diminished oneirofifth
| d-o5
| d-on5
|}
|}


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| 0
| 0
|-
|-
| small o2nd
| minor on2nd
| 1\13, 92.31
| 1\13, 92.31
| 1\18, 66.67
| 1\18, 66.67
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| -5
| -5
|-
|-
| large o2nd
| major on2nd
| 2\13, 184.62
| 2\13, 184.62
| 3\18, 200.00
| 3\18, 200.00
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| +3
| +3
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| small o3rd
| minor on3rd
| 3\13, 276.92
| 3\13, 276.92
| 4\18, 266.67
| 4\18, 266.67
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| -2
| -2
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| large o3rd
| major on3rd
| 4\13, 369.23
| 4\13, 369.23
| 6\18, 400.00
| 6\18, 400.00
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| +6
| +6
|-
|-
| dim. o4th
| dim. on4th
| 4\13, 369.23
| 4\13, 369.23
| 5\18, 333.33
| 5\18, 333.33
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| -7
| -7
|-
|-
| perf. o4th
| perf. on4th
| 5\13, 461.54  
| 5\13, 461.54  
| 7\18, 466.67
| 7\18, 466.67
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| +1
| +1
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| small o5th
| minor on5th
| 6\13, 553.85
| 6\13, 553.85
| 8\18, 533.33
| 8\18, 533.33
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| -4
| -4
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| large o5th
| major on5th
| 7\13, 646.15
| 7\13, 646.15
| 10\18, 666.66
| 10\18, 666.66
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| +4
| +4
|-
|-
| perf. o6th
| perf. on6th
| 8\13, 738.46
| 8\13, 738.46
| 11\18, 733.33
| 11\18, 733.33
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| -1
| -1
|-
|-
| aug. o6th
| aug. on6th
| 9\13, 830.77
| 9\13, 830.77
| 13\18, 866.66
| 13\18, 866.66
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| +7
| +7
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| small o7th
| minor on7th
| 9\13, 830.77
| 9\13, 830.77
| 12\18, 800.00
| 12\18, 800.00
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| -6
| -6
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| large o7th
| major on7th
| 10\13, 923.08
| 10\13, 923.08
| 14\18, 933.33
| 14\18, 933.33
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| +2
| +2
|-
|-
| small o8th
| minor on8th
| 11\13, 1015.39
| 11\13, 1015.39
| 15\18, 1000.00
| 15\18, 1000.00
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| -3
| -3
|-
|-
| large o8th
| major on8th
| 12\13, 1107.69
| 12\13, 1107.69
| 17\18, 1133.33
| 17\18, 1133.33
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* The major mosthird (made of two large steps) in these tunings tends to be more of a neutral third, ranging from 6\21 (342¢) to 4\13 (369¢).
* The major mosthird (made of two large steps) in these tunings tends to be more of a neutral third, ranging from 6\21 (342¢) to 4\13 (369¢).


* [[21edo]]'s P1-Lo2-Lo3-Lo5 approximates 9:10:11:13 better than the corresponding 13edo chord does. 21edo will serve those who like the combination of neogothic minor thirds (285.71¢) and Baroque diatonic semitones (114.29¢, close to quarter-comma meantone's 117.11¢).
* [[21edo]]'s P1-Lon2-Lon3-Lon5 approximates 9:10:11:13 better than the corresponding 13edo chord does. 21edo will serve those who like the combination of neogothic minor thirds (285.71¢) and Baroque diatonic semitones (114.29¢, close to quarter-comma meantone's 117.11¢).
* [[34edo]]'s 9:10:11:13 is even better.
* [[34edo]]'s 9:10:11:13 is even better.


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| 0
| 0
|-
|-
| small o2nd
| minor on2nd
| 2\21, 114.29
| 2\21, 114.29
| 3\34, 105.88
| 3\34, 105.88
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| -5
| -5
|-
|-
| large o2nd
| major on2nd
| 3\21, 171.43
| 3\21, 171.43
| 5\34, 176.47
| 5\34, 176.47
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| +3
| +3
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| small o3rd
| minor on3rd
| 5\21, 285.71
| 5\21, 285.71
| 8\34, 282.35
| 8\34, 282.35
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| -2
| -2
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| large o3rd
| major on3rd
| 6\21, 342.86
| 6\21, 342.86
| 10\34, 352.94
| 10\34, 352.94
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| +6
| +6
|-
|-
| dim. o4th
| dim. on4th
| 7\21, 400.00
| 7\21, 400.00
| 11\34, 388.24
| 11\34, 388.24
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| -7
| -7
|-
|-
| perf. o4th
| perf. on4th
| 7\18, 457.14
| 7\18, 457.14
| 12\31, 458.82
| 12\31, 458.82
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| +1
| +1
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| small o5th
| minor on5th
| 10\21, 571.43
| 10\21, 571.43
| 16\34, 564.72
| 16\34, 564.72
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| -4
| -4
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| large o5th
| major on5th
| 11\21, 628.57
| 11\21, 628.57
| 18\34, 635.29
| 18\34, 635.29
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| +4
| +4
|-
|-
| perf. o6th
| perf. on6th
| 13\21, 742.86
| 13\21, 742.86
| 21\34, 741.18
| 21\34, 741.18
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| -1
| -1
|-
|-
| aug. o6th
| aug. on6th
| 14\21, 800.00
| 14\21, 800.00
| 23\34, 811.77
| 23\34, 811.77
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| +7
| +7
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| small o7th
| minor on7th
| 15\21, 857.14
| 15\21, 857.14
| 24\34, 847.06
| 24\34, 847.06
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| -6
| -6
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| large o7th
| major on7th
| 16\21, 914.29
| 16\21, 914.29
| 26\34, 917.65
| 26\34, 917.65
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| +2
| +2
|-
|-
| small o8th
| minor on8th
| 18\21, 1028.57
| 18\21, 1028.57
| 29\34, 1023.53
| 29\34, 1023.53
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| -3
| -3
|-
|-
| large o8th
| major on8th
| 19\21, 1085.71
| 19\21, 1085.71
| 31\34, 1094.12
| 31\34, 1094.12
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| +8
| +8
|-
|-
| dim. o2nd
| dim. on2nd
| 2\29, 82.8
| 2\29, 82.8
| K@@
| K@@
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| -13
| -13
|-
|-
| small o2nd
| minor on2nd
| 3\29, 124.1
| 3\29, 124.1
| K@
| K@
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| -5
| -5
|-
|-
| large o2nd
| major on2nd
| 4\29, 165.5
| 4\29, 165.5
| K
| K
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| +3
| +3
|-
|-
| aug. o2nd
| aug. on2nd
| 5\29, 206.9
| 5\29, 206.9
| K&
| K&
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| +11
| +11
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| dim. o3rd
| dim. on3rd
| 6\29, 248.3
| 6\29, 248.3
| L@
| L@
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| -10
| -10
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| small o3rd
| minor on3rd
| 7\29, 289.7
| 7\29, 289.7
| L
| L
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| -2
| -2
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| large o3rd
| major on3rd
| 8\29, 331.0
| 8\29, 331.0
| L&
| L&
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| +6
| +6
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| aug. o3rd
| aug. on3rd
| 9\29, 372.4
| 9\29, 372.4
| L&&
| L&&
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| +14
| +14
|-
|-
| doubly dim. o4th
| doubly dim. on4th
| 9\29, 372.4
| 9\29, 372.4
| M@@
| M@@
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| -15
| -15
|-
|-
| dim. o4th
| dim. on4th
| 10\29, 413.8
| 10\29, 413.8
| M@
| M@
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| -7
| -7
|-
|-
| perf. o4th
| perf. on4th
| 11\29, 455.2
| 11\29, 455.2
| M
| M
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| +1
| +1
|-
|-
| aug. o4th
| aug. on4th
| 12\29, 496.6
| 12\29, 496.6
| M&
| M&
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| +9
| +9
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| dim. o5th
| dim. on5th
| 13\29, 537.9
| 13\29, 537.9
| N@@
| N@@
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| -12
| -12
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| small o5th
| minor on5th
| 14\29, 579.3
| 14\29, 579.3
| N@
| N@
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| -4
| -4
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| large o5th
| major on5th
| 15\29 620.7
| 15\29 620.7
| N
| N
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| +4
| +4
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| aug. o5th
| aug. on5th
| 16\29 662.1
| 16\29 662.1
| N&
| N&
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| +12
| +12
|-
|-
| dim. o6th
| dim. on6th
| 17\29, 703.4
| 17\29, 703.4
| O@
| O@
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| -9
| -9
|-
|-
| perf. o6th
| perf. on6th
| 18\29, 755.2
| 18\29, 755.2
| O
| O
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| -1
| -1
|-
|-
| aug. o6th
| aug. on6th
| 19\29, 786.2
| 19\29, 786.2
| O&
| O&
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| +7
| +7
|-
|-
| doubly aug. o6th
| doubly aug. on6th
| 20\29 827.6
| 20\29 827.6
| O&&
| O&&
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| +15
| +15
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| dim. o7th
| dim. on7th
| 20\29 827.6
| 20\29 827.6
| P@@
| P@@
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| -14
| -14
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| small o7th
| minor on7th
| 21\29 869.0
| 21\29 869.0
| P@
| P@
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| -6
| -6
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| large o7th
| major on7th
| 22\29, 910.3
| 22\29, 910.3
| P
| P
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| +2
| +2
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
|-bgcolor="#eaeaff"
| aug. o7th
| aug. on7th
| 23\29, 951.7
| 23\29, 951.7
| P&
| P&
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| +10
| +10
|-
|-
| dim. o8th
| dim. on8th
| 24\29, 993.1
| 24\29, 993.1
| Q@
| Q@
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| -11
| -11
|-
|-
| small o8th
| minor on8th
| 25\29, 1034.5
| 25\29, 1034.5
| Q
| Q
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| -3
| -3
|-
|-
| large o8th
| major on8th
| 26\29, 1075.9
| 26\29, 1075.9
| Q&
| Q&
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| +5
| +5
|-
|-
| aug. o8th
| aug. on8th
| 27\29, 1117.2
| 27\29, 1117.2
| Q&&
| Q&&