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In terms of [[regular temperament]]s, there are at least two melodically viable ways to interpret oneirotonic: | In terms of [[regular temperament]]s, there are at least two melodically viable ways to interpret oneirotonic: | ||
# When the generator is between 457.14¢ (8\21) and 461.54¢ (5\13): [[5L_3s#Petrtri_.2813.2621.2C_2.5.9.11.13.17.29|Petrtri]] (13&21, a | # When the generator is between 457.14¢ (8\21) and 461.54¢ (5\13): [[5L_3s#Petrtri_.2813.2621.2C_2.5.9.11.13.17.29|Petrtri]] (13&21, a 2.5.9.11.13.17 temperament that approximates the harmonic series chord 4:5:9:11:13:17) | ||
# When the generator is between 461.54¢ (5\13) and 466.67¢ (7\18): [[A-Team]] (13&18, a | # When the generator is between 461.54¢ (5\13) and 466.67¢ (7\18): [[A-Team]] (13&18, a 2.9.5.21 temperament that approximates 4:5:9:21) | ||
In a sense, these two temperaments represent the middle of the oneirotonic spectrum (with the L/s ratio ranging from 3/2 to 3/1); [[13edo]] represents both temperaments, with a L/s ratio of 2/1. This is analogous to how in the diatonic spectrum, the [[19edo]]-to-[[17edo]]-range has the least extreme ratio of large to small step sizes, with [[12edo]] representing both [[meantone]] (19edo to 12edo) and [[pythagorean]]/[[neogothic]] (12edo to 17edo). | In a sense, these two temperaments represent the middle of the oneirotonic spectrum (with the L/s ratio ranging from 3/2 to 3/1); [[13edo]] represents both temperaments, with a L/s ratio of 2/1. This is analogous to how in the diatonic spectrum, the [[19edo]]-to-[[17edo]]-range has the least extreme ratio of large to small step sizes, with [[12edo]] representing both [[meantone]] (19edo to 12edo) and [[pythagorean]]/[[neogothic]] (12edo to 17edo). | ||
More extreme oneirotonic temperaments include: | More extreme oneirotonic temperaments include: | ||
* [[Chromatic pairs#Tridec|Tridec]] (a | * [[Chromatic pairs#Tridec|Tridec]] (a 2.3.7/5.11/5.13/5 subgroup temperament that approximates 5:7:11:13:15), when the generator is between 453.33c (17\45) and 457.14c (8\21). These have near-equal L/s ratios of 6/5 to 3/2. | ||
* [[Hemifamity_temperaments#Buzzard|Buzzard]], when the generator is between 471.42¢ (11\28) and 480¢ (2\5). While this is a harmonically accurate temperament, with 4 generators reaching [[3/2]] and -3 generators [[7/4]], it is relatively weak melodically, as the optimum size of the small steps is around 20-25 cents, making it difficult to distinguish from equal pentatonic. | * [[Hemifamity_temperaments#Buzzard|Buzzard]], when the generator is between 471.42¢ (11\28) and 480¢ (2\5). While this is a harmonically accurate temperament, with 4 generators reaching [[3/2]] and -3 generators [[7/4]], it is relatively weak melodically, as the optimum size of the small steps is around 20-25 cents, making it difficult to distinguish from equal pentatonic. | ||
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=== Tridec (29&37) === | === Tridec (29&37) === | ||
In the broad sense, Tridec can be viewed as any oneirotonic tuning that equates three oneirotonic large steps to a [[4/3]] perfect fourth. [This identification may come in handy since many altered oneirotonic modes have three consecutive large steps.] Based on the JI interpretations of the [[29edo]] and [[37edo]] tunings, it can in fact be viewed as a 2.3.7/5.11/5.13/5 temperament, i.e. a [[Non-over-2 temperament|non-over-2 temperament]] that approximates the chord 5:7:11:13:15. The optimal generator is 455.2178c, which is very close to 29edo's 11\29 (455.17c), but we could accept any generator between 17\45 (453.33c) and 8\21 (457.14c), if we stipulate that the 3/2 has to be between [[7edo]]'s fifth and [[5edo]]'s fifth. | In the broad sense, Tridec can be viewed as any oneirotonic tuning that equates three oneirotonic large steps to a [[4/3]] perfect fourth. [This identification may come in handy since many altered oneirotonic modes have three consecutive large steps.] Based on the JI interpretations of the [[29edo]] and [[37edo]] tunings, it can in fact be viewed as a 2.3.7/5.11/5.13/5 temperament, i.e. a [[Non-over-2 temperament|non-over-2 temperament]] that approximates the chord 5:7:11:13:15. The optimal generator is 455.2178c, which is very close to 29edo's 11\29 (455.17c), but we could accept any generator between 17\45 (453.33c) and 8\21 (457.14c), if we stipulate that the 3/2 has to be between [[7edo]]'s fifth and [[5edo]]'s fifth. | ||
Tridec essentially contains all the notes of 2.3.5 [[porcupine]] temperament and satisfies all its relations; see [[Ammonite]] for more information on the relevant [[extension]] of Tridec that includes porcupine. | |||
The sizes of the generator, large step and small step of oneirotonic are as follows in various tridec tunings. | The sizes of the generator, large step and small step of oneirotonic are as follows in various tridec tunings. | ||
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==== Intervals ==== | |||
Sortable table of intervals in the Dylathian mode and their Tridec interpretations: | |||
{| class="wikitable right-2 right-3 right-4 sortable" | |||
|- | |||
! Degree | |||
! Size in 21edo | |||
! Size in 29edo | |||
! Size in 37edo | |||
! Size in POTE tuning | |||
! Note name on L | |||
! class="unsortable"| Approximate ratios | |||
! #Gens up | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 0\21, 0.00 | |||
| 0\29, 0.00 | |||
| 0\37, 0.00 | |||
| 0.00 | |||
| L | |||
| '''1/1''' | |||
| 0 | |||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 3\21, 171.43 | |||
| 4\29, 165.52 | |||
| 5\37, 163.16 | |||
| 165.65 | |||
| M | |||
| 11/10, 10/9 | |||
| +3 | |||
|- | |||
| 3 | |||
| 6\21, 342.86 | |||
| 8\29, 331.03 | |||
| 10\37, 324.32 | |||
| 331.31 | |||
| N | |||
| 11/9, 6/5 | |||
| +6 | |||
|- | |||
| 4 | |||
| 8\21, 457.14 | |||
| 11\29, 455.17 | |||
| 14\37, 454.05 | |||
| 455.17 | |||
| O | |||
| 13/10, 9/7 | |||
| +1 | |||
|- | |||
| 5 | |||
| 11\21, 628.57 | |||
| 15\29, 620.69 | |||
| 19\37, 616.22 | |||
| 620.87 | |||
| P | |||
| 13/9, 10/7 | |||
| +4 | |||
|- | |||
| 6 | |||
| 14\21, 800.00 | |||
| 19\29, 786.21 | |||
| 23\37, 778.38 | |||
| 786.52 | |||
| Q | |||
| 11/7 | |||
| +7 | |||
|- | |||
| 7 | |||
| 16\21, 914.29 | |||
| 22\29, 910.34 | |||
| 28\37, 908.11 | |||
| 910.44 | |||
| J | |||
| 22/13 | |||
| +2 | |||
|- | |||
| 8 | |||
| 19\21, 1085.71 | |||
| 26\29, 1075.86 | |||
| 33\37, 1070.27 | |||
| 1076.09 | |||
| K | |||
| 13/7, 28/15 | |||
| +5 | |||
|} | |||
=== Petrtri (13&21, 2.5.9.11.13.17) === | === Petrtri (13&21, 2.5.9.11.13.17) === |