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The [[5-limit]] parent [[comma]] of the '''[[meantone]] family''' is the Didymus or [[Wikipedia: syntonic comma|syntonic comma]], [[81/80]]. This is the one they all temper out. The ~~[[monzo]] for 81/80 goes {{monzo| -4 4 -1 }}, and that can be flipped around to the corresponding [[wedgie]], <<1 4 4||, which tells us that the~~ period is an octave, the generator is a fifth, and four fifths go to make up a 5/1 interval.

The [[5-limit]] parent [[comma]] of the '''[[meantone]] family''' is the Didymus or [[Wikipedia: syntonic comma|syntonic comma]], [[81/80]]. This is the one they all temper out. The period is an octave, the generator is a fifth, and four fifths go to make up a 5/1 interval.

= 5-limit meantone =

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[[Comma]]s: 36/35, 64/63

The ~~wedgie for dominant is <<1 4 -2 4 -6 -16||. Now the~~ interval class for 7 is obtained from two fourths in succession, so that 7/4 is a minor seventh. The 7/6 interval is, like 6/5, now a minor third, and 7/5 is a diminished fifth. An excellent tuning for dominant is [[12edo]], but it also works well with the Pythagorean tuning of pure [[3/2]] fifths, and with [[29edo]], [[41edo]], or [[53edo]].

The interval class for 7 is obtained from two fourths in succession, so that 7/4 is a minor seventh. The 7/6 interval is, like 6/5, now a minor third, and 7/5 is a diminished fifth. An excellent tuning for dominant is [[12edo]], but it also works well with the Pythagorean tuning of pure [[3/2]] fifths, and with [[29edo]], [[41edo]], or [[53edo]].

valid range: [700.000, 720.000] (12 to 5)

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[[Comma]]s: 21/20, 28/27

Sharptone~~, with a wedgie <<1 4 3 4 2 -4||,~~ is a low-accuracy temperament tempering out 21/20 and 28/27. In sharptone, a 7/4 is a major sixth, a 7/6 a whole tone, and a 7/5 a fourth. Genuinely septimal sounding harmony therefore cannot be expected, but it can be used to translate, more or less, 7-limit JI into 5-limit meantone. [[12edo]] tuning does sharptone about as well as such a thing can be done, of course not in its patent val.

Sharptone is a low-accuracy temperament tempering out 21/20 and 28/27. In sharptone, a 7/4 is a major sixth, a 7/6 a whole tone, and a 7/5 a fourth. Genuinely septimal sounding harmony therefore cannot be expected, but it can be used to translate, more or less, 7-limit JI into 5-limit meantone. [[12edo]] tuning does sharptone about as well as such a thing can be done, of course not in its patent val.

[[POTE generator]]: ~3/2 = 700.140

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[[Comma]]s: 50/49, 81/80

~~The wedgie for injera is <<2 8 8 8 7 -4||, which tells us it~~ has a half-octave period and a generator which can be taken as a fifth or fourth, but also as a 15/14 semitone difference between a half-octave and a perfect fifth. Injera tempers out 50/49, equating 7/5 with 10/7 and giving a tritone of half an octave. A major third up from this tritone is the 7/4. [[38edo]], which is two parallel [[19edo]]s, is an excellent tuning for injera.

Injera has a half-octave period and a generator which can be taken as a fifth or fourth, but also as a 15/14 semitone difference between a half-octave and a perfect fifth. Injera tempers out 50/49, equating 7/5 with 10/7 and giving a tritone of half an octave. A major third up from this tritone is the 7/4. [[38edo]], which is two parallel [[19edo]]s, is an excellent tuning for injera.

[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_3091.html#3091 Origin of the name]

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[[Comma]]s: 81/80, 6144/6125

Mohajira~~, with wedgie <<2 8 -11 8 -23 -48||,~~ really makes more sense as an 11-limit temperament. It has a generator of a neutral third, two of which make up a fifth, and which can be taken to represent 128/105. Mohajira tempers out 6144/6125, the porwell comma. [[31edo]] makes for an excellent (7-limit) mohajira tuning, with generator 9/31. It has a 7-note MOS with three larger steps and four smaller ones, going sLsLsLs.

Mohajira really makes more sense as an 11-limit temperament. It has a generator of a neutral third, two of which make up a fifth, and which can be taken to represent 128/105. Mohajira tempers out 6144/6125, the porwell comma. [[31edo]] makes for an excellent (7-limit) mohajira tuning, with generator 9/31. It has a 7-note MOS with three larger steps and four smaller ones, going sLsLsLs.

Mohajira can also be thought of, intuitively, as "meantone with quarter tones"; as is the 3/2 generator subdivided in half, so is the 25/24 chromatic semitone divided into two equal ~33/32 quarter tones (in the 11-limit). Within this paradigm, mohajira is the temperament that splits the 3/2 into two equal 11/9's, that splits the 6/5 into two equal 11/10's, that maps four 3/2's to 5/1, and that maps the interval one quarter tone flat of 16/9 to 7/4.

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[[Comma]]s: 81/80, 1029/1024

Mothra~~, with wedgie <<3 12 -1 12 -10 -36||,~~ splits the fifth into three 8/7 generators. It uses 1029/1024, the gamelisma, to accomplish this deed and also tempers out 1728/1715, the orwell comma. Using [[31edo]] with a generator of 6/31 is an excellent tuning choice. Once again something other than a MOS should be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra. In the 2.3.7-limit, mothra is identical to [[slendric]].

Mothra splits the fifth into three 8/7 generators. It uses 1029/1024, the gamelisma, to accomplish this deed and also tempers out 1728/1715, the orwell comma. Using [[31edo]] with a generator of 6/31 is an excellent tuning choice. Once again something other than a MOS should be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra. In the 2.3.7-limit, mothra is identical to [[slendric]].

Note that mothra can also be called cynder in the 7-limit, which can be a little confusing sometimes.

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[[Comma]]s: 81/80, 2401/2400

Squares~~, with wedgie <<4 16 9 16 3 -24||,~~ splits the interval of an eleventh, or 8/3, into four supermajor third ([[9/7]]) intervals, and uses it for a generator. [[31edo]], with a generator of 11/31, makes for a good squares tuning, with 8, 11, and 14 note MOS available. Squares tempers out 2401/2400, the breedsma, as well as 2430/2401.

Squares splits the interval of an eleventh, or 8/3, into four supermajor third ([[9/7]]) intervals, and uses it for a generator. [[31edo]], with a generator of 11/31, makes for a good squares tuning, with 8, 11, and 14 note MOS available. Squares tempers out 2401/2400, the breedsma, as well as 2430/2401.

7 and 9 limit minimax 1/4 comma

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[[Comma]]s: 81/80, 686/675

Liese~~, with wedgie <<3 12 11 12 9 -8||,~~ splits the twelfth interval of 3/1 into three generators of 10/7, using the comma 1029/1000. It also tempers out 686/675, the senga. [[74edo]] makes for a good liese tuning, though [[19edo]] can be used. The tuning is well-supplied with MOS: 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 36, 55.

Liese splits the twelfth interval of 3/1 into three generators of 10/7, using the comma 1029/1000. It also tempers out 686/675, the senga. [[74edo]] makes for a good liese tuning, though [[19edo]] can be used. The tuning is well-supplied with MOS: 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 36, 55.

7 and 9 limit minimax 1/4 comma

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-The [[5-limit]] parent [[comma]] of the '''[[meantone]] family''' is the Didymus or [[Wikipedia: syntonic comma|syntonic comma]], [[81/80]]. This is the one they all temper out. The [[monzo]] for 81/80 goes {{monzo| -4 4 -1 }}, and that can be flipped around to the corresponding [[wedgie]], &lt;&lt;1 4 4||, which tells us that the period is an octave, the generator is a fifth, and four fifths go to make up a 5/1 interval.
+The [[5-limit]] parent [[comma]] of the '''[[meantone]] family''' is the Didymus or [[Wikipedia: syntonic comma|syntonic comma]], [[81/80]]. This is the one they all temper out. The  period is an octave, the generator is a fifth, and four fifths go to make up a 5/1 interval.
 = 5-limit meantone =
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 [[Comma]]s: 36/35, 64/63
-The wedgie for dominant is &lt;&lt;1 4 -2 4 -6 -16||. Now the interval class for 7 is obtained from two fourths in succession, so that 7/4 is a minor seventh. The 7/6 interval is, like 6/5, now a minor third, and 7/5 is a diminished fifth. An excellent tuning for dominant is [[12edo]], but it also works well with the Pythagorean tuning of pure [[3/2]] fifths, and with [[29edo]], [[41edo]], or [[53edo]].
+The interval class for 7 is obtained from two fourths in succession, so that 7/4 is a minor seventh. The 7/6 interval is, like 6/5, now a minor third, and 7/5 is a diminished fifth. An excellent tuning for dominant is [[12edo]], but it also works well with the Pythagorean tuning of pure [[3/2]] fifths, and with [[29edo]], [[41edo]], or [[53edo]].
 valid range: [700.000, 720.000] (12 to 5)
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 [[Comma]]s: 21/20, 28/27
-Sharptone, with a wedgie &lt;&lt;1 4 3 4 2 -4||, is a low-accuracy temperament tempering out 21/20 and 28/27. In sharptone, a 7/4 is a major sixth, a 7/6 a whole tone, and a 7/5 a fourth. Genuinely septimal sounding harmony therefore cannot be expected, but it can be used to translate, more or less, 7-limit JI into 5-limit meantone. [[12edo]] tuning does sharptone about as well as such a thing can be done, of course not in its patent val.
+Sharptone is a low-accuracy temperament tempering out 21/20 and 28/27. In sharptone, a 7/4 is a major sixth, a 7/6 a whole tone, and a 7/5 a fourth. Genuinely septimal sounding harmony therefore cannot be expected, but it can be used to translate, more or less, 7-limit JI into 5-limit meantone. [[12edo]] tuning does sharptone about as well as such a thing can be done, of course not in its patent val.
 [[POTE generator]]: ~3/2 = 700.140
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 [[Comma]]s: 50/49, 81/80
-The wedgie for injera is &lt;&lt;2 8 8 8 7 -4||, which tells us it has a half-octave period and a generator which can be taken as a fifth or fourth, but also as a 15/14 semitone difference between a half-octave and a perfect fifth. Injera tempers out 50/49, equating 7/5 with 10/7 and giving a tritone of half an octave. A major third up from this tritone is the 7/4. [[38edo]], which is two parallel [[19edo]]s, is an excellent tuning for injera.
+Injera has a half-octave period and a generator which can be taken as a fifth or fourth, but also as a 15/14 semitone difference between a half-octave and a perfect fifth. Injera tempers out 50/49, equating 7/5 with 10/7 and giving a tritone of half an octave. A major third up from this tritone is the 7/4. [[38edo]], which is two parallel [[19edo]]s, is an excellent tuning for injera.
 [https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_3091.html#3091 Origin of the name]
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 [[Comma]]s: 81/80, 6144/6125
-Mohajira, with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 8 -11 8 -23 -48||, really makes more sense as an 11-limit temperament. It has a generator of a neutral third, two of which make up a fifth, and which can be taken to represent 128/105. Mohajira tempers out 6144/6125, the porwell comma. [[31edo]] makes for an excellent (7-limit) mohajira tuning, with generator 9/31. It has a 7-note MOS with three larger steps and four smaller ones, going sLsLsLs.
+Mohajira really makes more sense as an 11-limit temperament. It has a generator of a neutral third, two of which make up a fifth, and which can be taken to represent 128/105. Mohajira tempers out 6144/6125, the porwell comma. [[31edo]] makes for an excellent (7-limit) mohajira tuning, with generator 9/31. It has a 7-note MOS with three larger steps and four smaller ones, going sLsLsLs.
 Mohajira can also be thought of, intuitively, as "meantone with quarter tones"; as is the 3/2 generator subdivided in half, so is the 25/24 chromatic semitone divided into two equal ~33/32 quarter tones (in the 11-limit). Within this paradigm, mohajira is the temperament that splits the 3/2 into two equal 11/9's, that splits the 6/5 into two equal 11/10's, that maps four 3/2's to 5/1, and that maps the interval one quarter tone flat of 16/9 to 7/4.
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 [[Comma]]s: 81/80, 1029/1024
-Mothra, with wedgie &lt;&lt;3 12 -1 12 -10 -36||, splits the fifth into three 8/7 generators. It uses 1029/1024, the gamelisma, to accomplish this deed and also tempers out 1728/1715, the orwell comma. Using [[31edo]] with a generator of 6/31 is an excellent tuning choice. Once again something other than a MOS should be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra. In the 2.3.7-limit, mothra is identical to [[slendric]].
+Mothra splits the fifth into three 8/7 generators. It uses 1029/1024, the gamelisma, to accomplish this deed and also tempers out 1728/1715, the orwell comma. Using [[31edo]] with a generator of 6/31 is an excellent tuning choice. Once again something other than a MOS should be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra. In the 2.3.7-limit, mothra is identical to [[slendric]].
 Note that mothra can also be called cynder in the 7-limit, which can be a little confusing sometimes.
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 [[Comma]]s: 81/80, 2401/2400
-Squares, with wedgie &lt;&lt;4 16 9 16 3 -24||, splits the interval of an eleventh, or 8/3, into four supermajor third ([[9/7]]) intervals, and uses it for a generator. [[31edo]], with a generator of 11/31, makes for a good squares tuning, with 8, 11, and 14 note MOS available. Squares tempers out 2401/2400, the breedsma, as well as 2430/2401.
+Squares splits the interval of an eleventh, or 8/3, into four supermajor third ([[9/7]]) intervals, and uses it for a generator. [[31edo]], with a generator of 11/31, makes for a good squares tuning, with 8, 11, and 14 note MOS available. Squares tempers out 2401/2400, the breedsma, as well as 2430/2401.
 and 9 limit minimax 1/4 comma
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 [[Comma]]s: 81/80, 686/675
-Liese, with wedgie &lt;&lt;3 12 11 12 9 -8||, splits the twelfth interval of 3/1 into three generators of 10/7, using the comma 1029/1000. It also tempers out 686/675, the senga. [[74edo]] makes for a good liese tuning, though [[19edo]] can be used. The tuning is well-supplied with MOS: 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 36, 55.
+Liese splits the twelfth interval of 3/1 into three generators of 10/7, using the comma 1029/1000. It also tempers out 686/675, the senga. [[74edo]] makes for a good liese tuning, though [[19edo]] can be used. The tuning is well-supplied with MOS: 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 36, 55.
 and 9 limit minimax 1/4 comma