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:::::: I'm sorry, I should have mentioned that I use wolf fifths and wolf fourths ''deliberately'', so that one's on me. From the feedback I've gotten, I'd say they have a way of predisposing the chords they are found in towards having certain functions. For example, the 40/27 wolf fifth between A and E in the key of C major has a way of making deceptive cadences all the more powerful on account of the subtle tension provided by their seemingly "off" sound- as if it hammers home to the listener that "we're not done yet". This same subtle tension means that whenever this chord appears, there is bound to be either an increase in tension, or a decrease in tension. For example, a 1/1-32/27-40/27 minor chord on the sixth scale degree of C major (root related to the Tonic by 27/26) will usually be followed up by either G-Dominant-7 (1/1-5/4-3/2-16/9) or B-Diminished (1/1-6/5-32/27) for an increase in tension, or alternatively, F-Major (1/1-81/64-3/2) or D-Minor (1/1-32/27-3/2) for a decrease in tension. A similar functionality exists for the open wolf dyad on the third scale degree of Locrian, as the 1/1-1024/693-2/1 open wolf dyad on the third scale degree of B Locrian (root related to the Tonic by 77/64) will usually be followed up by either F-Major (1/1-3/2-5/2) for an increase in tension, or alternatively, B-Minor (1/1-77/64-2/1) or G-Open (1/1-385/256-2/1) for a decrease in tension. Such is the way that wolf fifths in general seem to function the best. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 03:09, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

:::::: I guess one of the main lessons to be learned here is that Locrian's behavior in non-meantone settings is markedly different in some ways from it's behavior in meantone settings, as there are certain meantone-exclusive options for Locrian that won't work quite the same way in non-meantone tunings. That said, I think that if you wish to express things like anger, anxiety and lament, Locrian is just the mode for you. This is especially true in non-meantone settings, as those strident wolf fifths only add to the intensity of the feelings ~~this mode is already frequently associated with~~ due to its usage in heavy metal and other genres like it.

:::::: I guess one of the main lessons to be learned here is that Locrian's behavior in non-meantone settings is markedly different in some ways from it's behavior in meantone settings, as there are certain meantone-exclusive options for Locrian that won't work quite the same way in non-meantone tunings. That said, I think that if you wish to express things like anger, anxiety and lament, Locrian is just the mode for you. This is especially true in non-meantone settings, as those strident wolf fifths only add to the intensity of the aforementioned feelings due to its usage in heavy metal and other genres like it. Conversely, if you wish to pull something with a more Baroque-style using Locrian in a non-meantone setting, I'd say this is more difficult, but ultimately worth it if you're trying to express anger, anxiety and lament. Therefore, I'd recommend trying to write more Baroque-style pieces in Locrian using some of the advice I've given you- especially concerning how wolf fifths are best used- as I want to see what comes of that sort of experimentation. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 03:37, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

:: I know this may sound hard to believe, but in all my experimenting with different intervals, I've found that the wrong kind of interval involving small-number-ratios between the wrong two notes actually works against the formation of a sense of tonality. Conversely, a more tense-sounding interval in the right location- yes, even if the interval in question happens to be [[40/27]]- can actually strengthen your sense of tonality. Yes, intervals with small-number-ratios are vital to establishing tonality, but because of their power, they have to be well-placed within the tonal system, or otherwise the sense of tonality shifts when you don't want it to. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 04:50, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

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 :::::: I'm sorry, I should have mentioned that I use wolf fifths and wolf fourths ''deliberately'', so that one's on me.  From the feedback I've gotten, I'd say they have a way of predisposing the chords they are found in towards having certain functions.  For example, the 40/27 wolf fifth between A and E in the key of C major has a way of making deceptive cadences all the more powerful on account of the subtle tension provided by their seemingly "off" sound- as if it hammers home to the listener that "we're not done yet".  This same subtle tension means that whenever this chord appears, there is bound to be either an increase in tension, or a decrease in tension.  For example, a 1/1-32/27-40/27 minor chord on the sixth scale degree of C major (root related to the Tonic by 27/26) will usually be followed up by either G-Dominant-7 (1/1-5/4-3/2-16/9) or B-Diminished (1/1-6/5-32/27) for an increase in tension, or alternatively, F-Major (1/1-81/64-3/2) or D-Minor (1/1-32/27-3/2) for a decrease in tension.  A similar functionality exists for the open wolf dyad on the third scale degree of Locrian, as the 1/1-1024/693-2/1 open wolf dyad on the third scale degree of B Locrian (root related to the Tonic by 77/64) will usually be followed up by either F-Major (1/1-3/2-5/2) for an increase in tension, or alternatively, B-Minor (1/1-77/64-2/1) or G-Open (1/1-385/256-2/1) for a decrease in tension.  Such is the way that wolf fifths in general seem to function the best. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 03:09, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
-:::::: I guess one of the main lessons to be learned here is that Locrian's behavior in non-meantone settings is markedly different in some ways from it's behavior in meantone settings, as there are certain meantone-exclusive options for Locrian that won't work quite the same way in non-meantone tunings.  That said, I think that if you wish to express things like anger, anxiety and lament, Locrian is just the mode for you.  This is especially true in non-meantone settings, as those strident wolf fifths only add to the intensity of the feelings this mode is already frequently associated with due to its usage in heavy metal and other genres like it.
+:::::: I guess one of the main lessons to be learned here is that Locrian's behavior in non-meantone settings is markedly different in some ways from it's behavior in meantone settings, as there are certain meantone-exclusive options for Locrian that won't work quite the same way in non-meantone tunings.  That said, I think that if you wish to express things like anger, anxiety and lament, Locrian is just the mode for you.  This is especially true in non-meantone settings, as those strident wolf fifths only add to the intensity of the aforementioned feelings due to its usage in heavy metal and other genres like it.  Conversely, if you wish to pull something with a more Baroque-style using Locrian in a non-meantone setting, I'd say this is more difficult, but ultimately worth it if you're trying to express anger, anxiety and lament.  Therefore, I'd recommend trying to write more Baroque-style pieces in Locrian using some of the advice I've given you- especially concerning how wolf fifths are best used- as I want to see what comes of that sort of experimentation. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 03:37, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 :: I know this may sound hard to believe, but in all my experimenting with different intervals, I've found that the wrong kind of interval involving small-number-ratios between the wrong two notes actually works against the formation of a sense of tonality.  Conversely, a more tense-sounding interval in the right location- yes, even if the interval in question happens to be [[40/27]]- can actually strengthen your sense of tonality.  Yes, intervals with small-number-ratios are vital to establishing tonality, but because of their power, they have to be well-placed within the tonal system, or otherwise the sense of tonality shifts when you don't want it to. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 04:50, 13 December 2020 (UTC)