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::::::::::::::::::::::: I just looked it through. I'm not quite sure. Don't you think he might confuse "consonance" with some other quality like "resolution", "stability", or something more complicated? On the other hand, perhaps the term "consonance" has other meanings I don't quite understand... Also, historically the attitudes and even "rules" related to "consonance" have changed. But I don't think it changed the understanding of consonance. In my understanding, not the notion itself was changing, but some kind of attitude, understanding of "acceptable degree of dissonance". Closer to modern times, "dissonant" structures became more and more acceptable and more wanted, pleasing in some ways. And I think this is good. — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Monday 2020 December 7, 22:31 UTC'' | ::::::::::::::::::::::: I just looked it through. I'm not quite sure. Don't you think he might confuse "consonance" with some other quality like "resolution", "stability", or something more complicated? On the other hand, perhaps the term "consonance" has other meanings I don't quite understand... Also, historically the attitudes and even "rules" related to "consonance" have changed. But I don't think it changed the understanding of consonance. In my understanding, not the notion itself was changing, but some kind of attitude, understanding of "acceptable degree of dissonance". Closer to modern times, "dissonant" structures became more and more acceptable and more wanted, pleasing in some ways. And I think this is good. — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Monday 2020 December 7, 22:31 UTC'' | ||
:::::::::::::::::::::::: Well, we won't know for sure if we don't talk to him, that much is a given. However, it is definitely the case that there's more than one type of "consonance"- harmonic entropy minima being a notable example. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 23:19, 7 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::::::: Now, about the problem, how "exactly to program complicated tonal values". First, the problems are solved using the "divide and conquer" method and "separation of concerns". In particular, tone values can be abstracted from the technical means of sound production. Another thing is: it's good to "think by hands". (In our case, "hands" is the generalization of several things: hands, fingers, hearing, etc.) When you don't understand how to solve the problem, of, course, think about understanding but also start working with incomplete understanding and uncertainties. As you try, you can get a better feeling of the problem, will be able to get rid of some illusionary ideas and get new ones... Moreover, in some analogous ways, I many times recommended people to... avoid reading literature. Here is what I mean: it's good to try to solve a problem from scratch by yourself. Why? First, you won't miss a pretty rare chance of inventing something really new. More realistically, when you read, you don't quite understand reading at first, because the illusionary understanding is quite common, besides, you can be affected by some well-established ideas and reduce your chances for a fresh look. And when you tried hard and broke some of your teeth at the problem, you can use what you learned, and then you will ready with much better understanding. — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Monday 2020 December 7, 04:01 UTC'' | ::::::::::::::::: Now, about the problem, how "exactly to program complicated tonal values". First, the problems are solved using the "divide and conquer" method and "separation of concerns". In particular, tone values can be abstracted from the technical means of sound production. Another thing is: it's good to "think by hands". (In our case, "hands" is the generalization of several things: hands, fingers, hearing, etc.) When you don't understand how to solve the problem, of, course, think about understanding but also start working with incomplete understanding and uncertainties. As you try, you can get a better feeling of the problem, will be able to get rid of some illusionary ideas and get new ones... Moreover, in some analogous ways, I many times recommended people to... avoid reading literature. Here is what I mean: it's good to try to solve a problem from scratch by yourself. Why? First, you won't miss a pretty rare chance of inventing something really new. More realistically, when you read, you don't quite understand reading at first, because the illusionary understanding is quite common, besides, you can be affected by some well-established ideas and reduce your chances for a fresh look. And when you tried hard and broke some of your teeth at the problem, you can use what you learned, and then you will ready with much better understanding. — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Monday 2020 December 7, 04:01 UTC'' | ||