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::::::::::::::::::: At a certain point, I don't think you can totally replace the diatonic scales at a certain point- namely because of their connections to the 3 prime- but you can definitely extend it to a paradiatonic system like the one I proposed using the intervals 1/1, 33/32, 256/243, 16/15, 35/32, 9/8, 8/7, 64/55, 32/27, 77/64, 39/32, 16/13, 5/4, 81/64, 128/99, 4/3, 11/8, 45/32, 64/45, 16/11, 3/2, 99/64, 128/81, 8/5, 13/8, 64/39, 128/77, 27/16, 55/32, 7/4, 16/9, 64/35, 15/8, 243/128, 64/33, and 2/1. It can be extended further, but I'm pretty sure that extending it as far as I would want to go with it would make things really hard without eventually having to temper out commas. Truth be told, I don't base my work entirely on the tonality diamond when I do my work within any given key- at least not to my knowledge.

:::::::::::::::::::: Basically agree, but by "replacing" I rather mean not every thinkable replacement, but rather something like a (possibly modified) superset of each scale. And I do remember that you mentioned that the work of Harry Partch influenced you, so I think I understood you correctly and never implied that any of your work would be based on the tonality diamond; this is not the same thing.

:::::::::::::::::::: Basically agree, but by "replacing" I rather mean not every thinkable replacement, but rather something like a (possibly modified) superset of each scale. And I do remember that you mentioned that the work of Harry Partch influenced you, so I think I understood you correctly and never implied that any of your work would be based on the tonality diamond; this is not the same thing. [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], 02:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::::::: Ah. That makes sense. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 02:43, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

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::::::::::::::::::: It may be true that some musical ideas did not see proper consideration for the reasons you're saying. However, I don't seem to understand why you replied to me quite the way you did... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 02:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::::::: What exactly is unclear? Perhaps you don't see how this topic is related to your post I replied to... If so, I can answer: I put this argument to explain why I'm asking you for some suggestions on those rational tonal systems. I'm trying to probe if you could be interested in approaching things using my method, which is instrumental. I can imagine that some musicians are quite able to play or compose complicated pieces right in their head, so they don't even need any instrument, but for the rest of us vocalizing, visualizing and the live touch of a real instrument is important. I know when a new instrument is invented, it often sparks new ideas in the compositions. Does it tell you something? [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], 02:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::: For your information, I'm much less of an idea generator and much more of a one who discovers ideas brought by other people. It happened many times when some person could not realize the value of her/his own idea and I was the one to discover it. :-) [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], 23:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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 ::::::::::::::::::: At a certain point, I don't think you can totally replace the diatonic scales at a certain point- namely because of their connections to the 3 prime- but you can definitely extend it to a paradiatonic system like the one I proposed using the intervals 1/1, 33/32, 256/243, 16/15, 35/32, 9/8, 8/7, 64/55, 32/27, 77/64, 39/32, 16/13, 5/4, 81/64, 128/99, 4/3, 11/8, 45/32, 64/45, 16/11, 3/2, 99/64, 128/81, 8/5, 13/8, 64/39, 128/77, 27/16, 55/32, 7/4, 16/9, 64/35, 15/8, 243/128, 64/33, and 2/1.  It can be extended further, but I'm pretty sure that extending it as far as I would want to go with it would make things really hard without eventually having to temper out commas.  Truth be told, I don't base my work entirely on the tonality diamond when I do my work within any given key- at least not to my knowledge.
-:::::::::::::::::::: Basically agree, but by "replacing" I rather mean not every thinkable replacement, but rather something like a (possibly modified) superset of each scale. And I do remember that you mentioned that the work of Harry Partch influenced you, so I think I understood you correctly and never implied that any of your work would be based on the tonality diamond; this is not the same thing.
+:::::::::::::::::::: Basically agree, but by "replacing" I rather mean not every thinkable replacement, but rather something like a (possibly modified) superset of each scale. And I do remember that you mentioned that the work of Harry Partch influenced you, so I think I understood you correctly and never implied that any of your work would be based on the tonality diamond; this is not the same thing. [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], 02:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 ::::::::::::::::::::: Ah.  That makes sense. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 02:43, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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 ::::::::::::::::::: It may be true that some musical ideas did not see proper consideration for the reasons you're saying.  However, I don't seem to understand why you replied to me quite the way you did... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 02:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::::::::::::::: What exactly is unclear? Perhaps you don't see how this topic is related to your post I replied to... If so, I can answer: I put this argument to explain why I'm asking you for some suggestions on those rational tonal systems. I'm trying to probe if you could be interested in approaching things using my method, which is instrumental. I can imagine that some musicians are quite able to play or compose complicated pieces right in their head, so they don't even need any instrument, but for the rest of us vocalizing, visualizing and the live touch of a real instrument is important. I know when a new instrument is invented, it often sparks new ideas in the compositions. Does it tell you something? [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], 02:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 :::::::::::::::: For your information, I'm much less of an idea generator and much more of a one who discovers ideas brought by other people. It happened many times when some person could not realize the value of her/his own idea and I was the one to discover it. :-) [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], 23:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)