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If a rank-2 temperament uses the primes 2 and 3 in its comma(s), or in its prime subgroup (i.e. doesn't explicitly exclude the octave or the fifth), then the period can be expressed as the octave 2/1, or some fraction of an octave. Furthermore, the generator can usually be expressed as some 3-limit interval, or some fraction of such an interval. Both fractions are always of the form 1/N, thus the octave and/or the 3-limit interval is '''split''' into N parts. The interval which is split into multiple generators is the '''multigen'''. The 3-limit multigen is referred to not by its ratio but by its conventional name, e.g. P5, M6, m7, etc.
If a rank-2 temperament uses the primes 2 and 3 in its comma(s), or in its prime subgroup (i.e. doesn't explicitly exclude the octave or the fifth), then the period can be expressed as the octave 2/1, or some fraction of an octave. Furthermore, the generator can usually be expressed as some 3-limit interval, or some fraction of such an interval. Both fractions are always of the form 1/N, thus the octave and/or the 3-limit interval is '''split''' into N parts. The interval which is split into multiple generators is the '''multigen'''. The 3-limit multigen is referred to not by its ratio but by its conventional name, e.g. P5, M6, m7, etc.


For example, the srutal temperament (2.3.5 and 2048/2025) splits the octave in two, and its spoken pergen name is half-octave. The pergen is written (P8/2, P5). Not only the temperament, but also the comma is said to split the octave. The dicot temperament (2.3.5 and 25/24) splits the fifth in two, and is called half-fifth, written (P8, P5/2). Porcupine is third-fourth, or perhaps third-of-a-fourth, (P8, P4/3). Semaphore, a pun on "semi-fourth", is of course half-fourth.
For example, the Srutal temperament (2.3.5 and 2048/2025) splits the octave in two, and its spoken pergen name is half-octave. The pergen is written (P8/2, P5). Not only the temperament, but also the comma is said to split the octave. The Dicot temperament (2.3.5 and 25/24) splits the fifth in two, and is called half-fifth, written (P8, P5/2). Porcupine is third-fourth, or perhaps third-of-a-fourth, (P8, P4/3). Semaphore, a pun on "semi-fourth", is of course half-fourth.


Many temperaments share the same pergen. This has the advantage of reducing the thousands of temperament names to a few dozen categories. It focuses on the melodic properties of the temperament, not the harmonic properties. MOS scales in both srutal and injera sound the same, although they temper out different commas. In addition, the pergen tells us how to notate the temperament using ups and downs (^ and v). See the notation guide below, under [[pergen#Further Discussion-Supplemental materials|Supplemental materials]]. Ups and downs are also used in [[Ups and Downs Notation|EDO notation]] to represent one edostep. Although the symbol is the same, the meaning is different.
Many temperaments share the same pergen. This has the advantage of reducing the thousands of temperament names to a few dozen categories. It focuses on the melodic properties of the temperament, not the harmonic properties. MOS scales in both Srutal and Injera sound the same, although they temper out different commas. In addition, the pergen tells us how to notate the temperament using ups and downs (^ and v). See the notation guide below, under [[pergen#Further Discussion-Supplemental materials|Supplemental materials]]. Ups and downs are also used in [[Ups and Downs Notation|EDO notation]] to represent one edostep. Although the symbol is the same, the meaning is different.


The largest category contains all single-comma temperaments with a comma of the form 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P or 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P<span style="vertical-align: super;">-1</span>, where P is a prime &gt; 3 (a '''higher prime'''), e.g. 81/80 or 135/128. It also includes all commas in which the higher-prime exponents are setwise coprime. The period is the octave, and the generator is the fifth: (P8, P5). Such temperaments are called '''unsplit'''.
The largest category contains all single-comma temperaments with a comma of the form 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P or 2<span style="vertical-align: super;">x </span>3<span style="vertical-align: super;">y </span>P<span style="vertical-align: super;">-1</span>, where P is a prime &gt; 3 (a '''higher prime'''), e.g. 81/80 or 135/128. It also includes all commas in which the higher-prime exponents are setwise coprime. The period is the octave, and the generator is the fifth: (P8, P5). Such temperaments are called '''unsplit'''.
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Every temperament has at least one alternate generator, and more, if the octave is split. To avoid ambiguity, the generator is chosen to minimize the amount of splitting of the multigen, and as a tie-breaker, to minimize the size in cents of the multigen. There is only one exception to this rule: the fifth is preferred over the fourth, to follow historical precedent.
Every temperament has at least one alternate generator, and more, if the octave is split. To avoid ambiguity, the generator is chosen to minimize the amount of splitting of the multigen, and as a tie-breaker, to minimize the size in cents of the multigen. There is only one exception to this rule: the fifth is preferred over the fourth, to follow historical precedent.


For example, srutal could be (P8/2, M2/2), but P5 is preferred because it is unsplit. Or it could be (P8/2, P12), but P5 is preferred because it is smaller. Or it could be (P8/2, P4), but P5 is always preferred over P4. Note that P5/2 is <u>not</u> preferred over P4/2. For example, decimal is (P8/2, P4/2), not (P8/2, P5/2).
For example, Srutal could be (P8/2, M2/2), but P5 is preferred because it is unsplit. Or it could be (P8/2, P12), but P5 is preferred because it is smaller. Or it could be (P8/2, P4), but P5 is always preferred over P4. Note that P5/2 is <u>not</u> preferred over P4/2. For example, Decimal is (P8/2, P4/2), not (P8/2, P5/2).


{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"   
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"   
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| | unsplit
| | unsplit
| | 81/80
| | 81/80
| | meantone
| | Meantone
| | gu
| | Gu
| | gT
| | gT
|-
|-
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| | "
| | "
| | 64/63
| | 64/63
| | archy
| | Archy
| | ru
| | Ru
| | rT
| | rT
|-
|-
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| | "
| | "
| | (-14,8,1)
| | (-14,8,1)
| | schismic
| | Schismic
| | layo
| | Layo
| | LyT
| | LyT
|-
|-
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| | half-8ve
| | half-8ve
| | (11, -4, -2)
| | (11, -4, -2)
| | srutal
| | Srutal
| | sagugu
| | Sagugu
| | sggT
| | sggT
|-
|-
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| | "
| | "
| | 81/80, 50/49
| | 81/80, 50/49
| | injera
| | Injera
| | gu and biruyo
| | Gu & Biruyo
| | g&rryyT
| | g&rryyT
|-
|-
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| | half-5th
| | half-5th
| | 25/24
| | 25/24
| | dicot
| | Dicot
| | yoyo
| | Yoyo
| | yyT
| | yyT
|-
|-
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| | "
| | "
| | (-1,5,0,0,-2)
| | (-1,5,0,0,-2)
| | mohajira
| | Mohajira
| | lulu
| | Lulu
| | 1uuT
| | 1uuT
|-
|-
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| | half-4th
| | half-4th
| | 49/48
| | 49/48
| | semaphore
| | Semaphore
| | zozo
| | Zozo
| | zzT
| | zzT
|-
|-
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| | half-everything
| | half-everything
| | 25/24, 49/48
| | 25/24, 49/48
| | decimal
| | Decimal
| | yoyo and zozo
| | Yoyo & Zozo
| | yy&amp;zzT
| | yy&amp;zzT
|-
|-
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| | third-4th
| | third-4th
| | 250/243
| | 250/243
| | porcupine
| | Porcupine
| | triyo
| | Triyo
| | y<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>T
| | y<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>T
|-
|-
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| | third-11th
| | third-11th
| | (12,-1,0,0,-3)
| | (12,-1,0,0,-3)
| | satrilu
| | Satrilu
| | satrilu
| | Satrilu
| | s1u<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>T
| | s1u<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>T
|-
|-
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| | quarter-8ve
| | quarter-8ve
| | (3,4,-4)
| | (3,4,-4)
| | diminished
| | Diminished
| | quadgu
| | Quadgu
| | g<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>T
| | g<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>T
|-
|-
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| | half-8ve quarter-tone
| | half-8ve quarter-tone
| | (-17,2,0,0,4)
| | (-17,2,0,0,4)
| | laquadlo
| | Laquadlo
| | laquadlo
| | Laquadlo
| | L1o<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>T
| | L1o<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>T
|-
|-
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| | fifth-12th
| | fifth-12th
| | (-10,-1,5)
| | (-10,-1,5)
| | magic
| | Magic
| | laquinyo
| | Laquinyo
| | Ly<span style="vertical-align: super;">5</span>T
| | Ly<span style="vertical-align: super;">5</span>T
|}
|}
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Rank-3 pergens have three intervals, period, gen1 and gen2, any or all of which may be split. The pergen always uses at least one higher prime. [[Kite's_color_notation|Color notation]] (or any HEWM notation) can be used to indicate higher primes. Monzos of the form (a,b,1) = yo, (a,b,-1) = gu, (a,b,0,1) = zo, (a,b,0,-1) = ru, (a,b,0,0,1) = lo/ilo, (a,b,0,0,-1) = lu, and (a,b) = wa. Examples: 5/4 = y3 = yo 3rd, 7/5 = zg5 = zogu 5th, etc.
Rank-3 pergens have three intervals, period, gen1 and gen2, any or all of which may be split. The pergen always uses at least one higher prime. [[Kite's_color_notation|Color notation]] (or any HEWM notation) can be used to indicate higher primes. Monzos of the form (a,b,1) = yo, (a,b,-1) = gu, (a,b,0,1) = zo, (a,b,0,-1) = ru, (a,b,0,0,1) = lo/ilo, (a,b,0,0,-1) = lu, and (a,b) = wa. Examples: 5/4 = y3 = yo 3rd, 7/5 = zg5 = zogu 5th, etc.


For example, marvel (2.3.5.7 and 225/224) has an unsplit pergen of (P8, P5, y3). But colors can be replaced with ups and downs, to be higher-prime-agnostic. Here, gen2 can be reduced to g1 = 81/80. Since 81/80 maps to a perfect unison, it can be notated by an up symbol, and we have (P8, P5, ^1) = rank-3 unsplit.
For example, Marvel (2.3.5.7 and 225/224) has an unsplit pergen of (P8, P5, y3). But colors can be replaced with ups and downs, to be higher-prime-agnostic. Here, gen2 can be reduced to g1 = 81/80. Since 81/80 maps to a perfect unison, it can be notated by an up symbol, and we have (P8, P5, ^1) = rank-3 unsplit.


More examples: Trizogu (2.3.5.7 with 1029/1000 tempered out) is (P8, P11/3, ^1) = rank-3 third-11th. Biruyo (2.3.5.7 and 50/49) is (P8/2, P5, ^1) = rank-3 half-8ve (^1 = 81/80). However, biruyo nowa (2.5.7 and 50/49) is (P8/2, M3) = half-8ve, major 3rd.
More examples: Trizogu (2.3.5.7 with 1029/1000 tempered out) is (P8, P11/3, ^1) = rank-3 third-11th. Biruyo (2.3.5.7 and 50/49) is (P8/2, P5, ^1) = rank-3 half-8ve (^1 = 81/80). However, Biruyo nowa (2.5.7 and 50/49) is (P8/2, M3) = half-8ve, major 3rd.


A rank-4 temperament has a pergen of four intervals, rank-5 has five intervals, etc. A rank-1 temperament could have a pergen of one, such as (P8/12) for 12-edo or (P12/13) for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so. In fact, edos and edonois are simply rank-1 pergens, and what the concept of edos or edonois does for rank-1 temperaments, the concept of pergens does for temperaments of rank 2 or higher.
A rank-4 temperament has a pergen of four intervals, rank-5 has five intervals, etc. A rank-1 temperament could have a pergen of one, such as (P8/12) for 12-edo or (P12/13) for 13-ed3, but there's no particular reason to do so. In fact, edos and edonois are simply rank-1 pergens, and what the concept of edos or edonois does for rank-1 temperaments, the concept of pergens does for temperaments of rank 2 or higher.
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Pergens allow for a systematic exploration of all posible rank-2 tunings, potentially identifying new musical resources.
Pergens allow for a systematic exploration of all posible rank-2 tunings, potentially identifying new musical resources.


Another obvious application is to name regular temperaments in a logical, consistent manner, avoiding the need to memorize many arbitrary names. Many temperaments have pergen-like names: Hemififths is (P8, P5/2), semihemi is (P8/2, P4/2), triforce is (P8/3, P4/2), both tetracot and semihemififths are (P8, P5/4), fourfives is (P8/4, P5/5), pental is (P8/5, P5), and fifive is (P8/2, P5/5). Pergen names are an improvement over these because they specify more exactly what is split. Some temperament names are what might be called a pseudo-pergen, either because it contains more than 2 primes, or because the split multigen isn't actually a generator. For example, sensei, or semisixth, implies a pseudo-pergen (P8, (5/3)/2) that contains 3 primes. Meantone (mean = average, tone = major 2nd) implies a pseudo-pergen (P8, (5/4)/2), only 2 primes, but the tone isn't a generator.
Another obvious application is to name regular temperaments in a logical, consistent manner, avoiding the need to memorize many arbitrary names. Many temperaments have pergen-like names: Hemififths is (P8, P5/2), Semihemi is (P8/2, P4/2), Triforce is (P8/3, P4/2), both Tetracot and Semihemififths are (P8, P5/4), Fourfives is (P8/4, P5/5), Pental is (P8/5, P5), and Fifive is (P8/2, P5/5). Pergen names are an improvement over these because they specify more exactly what is split. Some temperament names are what might be called a pseudo-pergen, either because it contains more than 2 primes, or because the split multigen isn't actually a generator. For example, Sensei, or Semisixth, implies a pseudo-pergen (P8, (5/3)/2) that contains 3 primes. Meantone (mean = average, tone = major 2nd) implies a pseudo-pergen (P8, (5/4)/2), only 2 primes, but the tone isn't a generator.


Pergens group many temperaments into one category, which has its advantages and its disadvantages. Some temperament names also do this, for example porcupine refers to not only 2.3.5 with 250/243, but also 2.3.5.7 with 250/243 and 64/63. Color names are the only type of name that never does this. The first porcupine is triyo, and the second one is triyo and ru. Together, the pergen name and the color name supply a lot of information. The pergen name indicates the melodic possibilities in a higher-primes-agnostic manner, and the color name indicates the harmonic possibilities: the prime subgroup, and what types of chord progressions it supports. Both names indicate the rank, the pergen name more directly.
Pergens group many temperaments into one category, which has its advantages and its disadvantages. Some temperament names also do this, for example Porcupine refers to not only 2.3.5 with 250/243, but also 2.3.5.7 with 250/243 and 64/63. Color names are the only type of name that never does this. The first Porcupine is Triyo, and the second one is Triyo & Ru. Together, the pergen name and the color name supply a lot of information. The pergen name indicates the melodic possibilities in a higher-primes-agnostic manner, and the color name indicates the harmonic possibilities: the prime subgroup, and what types of chord progressions it supports. Both names indicate the rank, the pergen name more directly.


Pergens can also be used to notate rank-2 scales, e.g. (P8, P4/3) [7] = third-4th heptatonic is a higher-primes-agnostic name for the Porcupine [7] scale. As long as the 5th is tuned fairly accurately, any two temperaments that have the same pergen tend to have the same MOS scales. See [[pergen#Further Discussion-Chord names and scale names|Chord names and scale names]] below.
Pergens can also be used to notate rank-2 scales, e.g. (P8, P4/3) [7] = third-4th heptatonic is a higher-primes-agnostic name for the Porcupine [7] scale. As long as the 5th is tuned fairly accurately, any two temperaments that have the same pergen tend to have the same MOS scales. See [[pergen#Further Discussion-Chord names and scale names|Chord names and scale names]] below.
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The final main application, which the rest of this article will focus on, is that pergens allow a systematic approach to notating regular temperaments, without having to examine each of the thousands of individual temperaments. The discussion mostly focuses on rank-2 temperaments that include primes 2 and 3.
The final main application, which the rest of this article will focus on, is that pergens allow a systematic approach to notating regular temperaments, without having to examine each of the thousands of individual temperaments. The discussion mostly focuses on rank-2 temperaments that include primes 2 and 3.


All unsplit temperaments can be notated identically. They require only conventional notation: 7 nominals, plus sharps and flats. All other rank-2 temperaments require an additional pair of accidentals, [[Ups_and_Downs_Notation|ups and downs]]. Certain rank-2 temperaments require another additional pair, '''lifts and drops''', written / and \. Dv\ is down-drop D, and /5 is a lift-fifth. Alternatively, color accidentals (y, g, r, z, 1o, 1u, etc.) could be used. However, this constrains a pergen to a specific temperament. For example, both mohajira and dicot are (P8, P5/2). Using y and g implies dicot, using 1o and 1u implies mohajira, but using ^ and v implies neither, and is a more general notation.
All unsplit temperaments can be notated identically. They require only conventional notation: 7 nominals, plus sharps and flats. All other rank-2 temperaments require an additional pair of accidentals, [[Ups_and_Downs_Notation|ups and downs]]. Certain rank-2 temperaments require another additional pair, '''lifts and drops''', written / and \. Dv\ is down-drop D, and /5 is a lift-fifth. Alternatively, color accidentals (y, g, r, z, 1o, 1u, etc.) could be used. However, this constrains a pergen to a specific temperament. For example, both Mohajira and Dicot are (P8, P5/2). Using y and g implies Dicot, using 1o and 1u implies Mohajira, but using ^ and v implies neither, and is a more general notation.


One can avoid additional accidentals for all rank-1 and rank-2 tunings (but not rank-3 or higher ones) by sacrificing backwards compatibility with conventional notation, which is octave-equivalent, fifth-generated and heptatonic. Porcupine can be notated without ups and downs if the notation is 2nd-generated. Half-octave can be notated decatonically. However, one would sacrifice the interval arithmetic and staff notation one has spent years internalizing, and naming chords becomes impossible. The sacrifice is too great to take lightly, and all notation used here is backwards compatible.
One can avoid additional accidentals for all rank-1 and rank-2 tunings (but not rank-3 or higher ones) by sacrificing backwards compatibility with conventional notation, which is octave-equivalent, fifth-generated and heptatonic. Porcupine can be notated without ups and downs if the notation is 2nd-generated. Half-octave can be notated decatonically. However, one would sacrifice the interval arithmetic and staff notation one has spent years internalizing, and naming chords becomes impossible. The sacrifice is too great to take lightly, and all notation used here is backwards compatible.


Analogous to 22-edo, sometimes additional accidentals aren't needed, but are desirable, to avoid misspelled chords. For example, schismic is unsplit and can be notated conventionally. But this causes 4:5:6 to be spelled not as stacked thirds but as C Fb G. With ^1 = 81/80, the chord can be spelled properly as C Ev G. See [[pergen#Further Discussion-Notating unsplit pergens|Notating unsplit pergens]] below.
Analogous to 22-edo, sometimes additional accidentals aren't needed, but are desirable, to avoid misspelled chords. For example, Schismic is unsplit and can be notated conventionally. But this causes 4:5:6 to be spelled not as stacked thirds but as C Fb G. With ^1 = 81/80, the chord can be spelled properly as C Ev G. See [[pergen#Further Discussion-Notating unsplit pergens|Notating unsplit pergens]] below.


Not all combinations of periods and generators are valid. Some are duplicates of other pergens. (P8/2, M2/2) is actually (P8/2, P5). Some combinations are impossible. There is no (P8, M2/2), because no combination of periods and generators equals P5.
Not all combinations of periods and generators are valid. Some are duplicates of other pergens. (P8/2, M2/2) is actually (P8/2, P5). Some combinations are impossible. There is no (P8, M2/2), because no combination of periods and generators equals P5.
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| | none
| | none
| | C - G
| | C - G
| | pythagorean, meantone, dominant,
| | Pythagorean, Meantone, Dominant,
schismic, mavila, archy, etc.
Schismic, Mavila, Archy, etc.
|-
|-
! |  
! |  
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| | P8/2 = vA4 = ^d5
| | P8/2 = vA4 = ^d5
| | C - F#v=Gb^ - C
| | C - F#v=Gb^ - C
| | srutal
| | Srutal
^1 = 81/80
^1 = 81/80
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|-
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| | P8/2 = ^A4 = vd5
| | P8/2 = ^A4 = vd5
| | C - F#^=Gbv - C
| | C - F#^=Gbv - C
| | injera
| | Injera


^1 = 64/63
^1 = 64/63
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| | P8/2 = ^4 = vP5
| | P8/2 = ^4 = vP5
| | C - F^=Gv - C
| | C - F^=Gv - C
| | thotho, if 13/8 = M6
| | Thotho, if 13/8 = M6


^1 = 27/26
^1 = 27/26
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| | P4/2 = ^M2 = vm3
| | P4/2 = ^M2 = vm3
| | C - D^=Ebv - F
| | C - D^=Ebv - F
| | semaphore
| | Semaphore


^1 = 64/63
^1 = 64/63
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| | P4/2 = vA2 = ^d3
| | P4/2 = vA2 = ^d3
| | C - D#v=Ebb^ - F
| | C - D#v=Ebb^ - F
| | lalayoyo
| | Lala-yoyo


^1 = 81/80
^1 = 81/80
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| | P5/2 = ^m3 = vM3
| | P5/2 = ^m3 = vM3
| | C - Eb^=Ev - G
| | C - Eb^=Ev - G
| | mohajira
| | Mohajira


^1 = 33/32
^1 = 33/32
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C - F^/=Gv\ - C
C - F^/=Gv\ - C
| | semaphore &amp; mohajira
| | Zozo &amp; Lulu


^1 = 33/32
^1 = 33/32
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C - Eb^/=Ev\ - G
C - Eb^/=Ev\ - G
| | diaschismic &amp; semaphore
| | Sagugu &amp; Zozo


^1 = 81/80
^1 = 81/80
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C - Dv/=Eb^\ - F
C - Dv/=Eb^\ - F
| | diaschismic and mohajira
| | Sagugu & Lulu


^1 = 81/80
^1 = 81/80
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| | P8/3 = vM3 = ^^d4
| | P8/3 = vM3 = ^^d4
| | C - Ev - Ab^ - C
| | C - Ev - Ab^ - C
| | augmented
| | Augmented


^1 = 81/80
^1 = 81/80
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| | P4/3 = vM2 = ^^m2
| | P4/3 = vM2 = ^^m2
| | C - Dv - Eb^ - F
| | C - Dv - Eb^ - F
| | porcupine
| | Porcupine


^1 = 81/80
^1 = 81/80
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| | P5/3 = ^M2 = vvm3
| | P5/3 = ^M2 = vvm3
| | C - D^ - Fv - G
| | C - D^ - Fv - G
| | slendric
| | Slendric


^1 = 64/63
^1 = 64/63
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| | P11/3 = vA4 = ^^dd5
| | P11/3 = vA4 = ^^dd5
| | C - F#v - Cb^ - F
| | C - F#v - Cb^ - F
| | satrilu, if 11/8 = A4
| | Satrilu, if 11/8 = A4


^1 = 729/704
^1 = 729/704
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| | P11/3 = ^4 = vv5
| | P11/3 = ^4 = vv5
| | C - F^ - Cv - F
| | C - F^ - Cv - F
| | satrilu, if 11/8 = P4
| | Satrilu, if 11/8 = P4


^1 = 33/32
^1 = 33/32
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C - Db^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>=Ev<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span> - F
C - Db^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>=Ev<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span> - F
| | tribilo, if 11/8 = P4
| | Tribilo, if 11/8 = P4


^1 = 33/32
^1 = 33/32
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C - D/=Eb\ - F
C - D/=Eb\ - F
| | triforce (128/125 &amp; 49/48)
| | Triforce (128/125 &amp; 49/48)


^1 = 81/80, /1 = 64/63
^1 = 81/80, /1 = 64/63
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C - Eb/=E\ - G
C - Eb/=E\ - G
| | satribizo
| | Satribizo


^1 = 49/48, /1 = 343/324
^1 = 49/48, /1 = 343/324
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C - D\ - Eb/ - F
C - D\ - Eb/ - F
| | latribiru
| | Latribiru


^1 = 1029/1024, /1 = 49/48
^1 = 1029/1024, /1 = 49/48
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C - D#vv - Fb^^ - G
C - D#vv - Fb^^ - G
| | lartribiyo
| | Lartribiyo


^1 = 81/80
^1 = 81/80
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C - D/ - F\ - G
C - D/ - F\ - G
| | lemba (50/49 &amp; 1029/1024)
| | Lemba (50/49 &amp; 1029/1024)


^1 = (10,-6,1,-1), /1 = 64/63
^1 = (10,-6,1,-1), /1 = 64/63
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C - F^^ - Cvv - F
C - F^^ - Cvv - F
| | latribilo, if 11/8 = P4
| | Latribilo, if 11/8 = P4


^1 = 33/32
^1 = 33/32
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C - Dv/ - F^\ - G
C - Dv/ - F^\ - G
| | porcupine &amp; triru
| | Triyo &amp; Triru


^1 = 64/63
^1 = 64/63
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C - Dv\ - Eb^/ - F
C - Dv\ - Eb^/ - F
| | augmented &amp; latrizo
| | Trigu &amp; Latrizo


^1 = 81/80
^1 = 81/80
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C - Ev/ - Ab^\ - C
C - Ev/ - Ab^\ - C
| | triyo &amp; latrizo
| | Triyo &amp; Latrizo


^1 = 81/80
^1 = 81/80
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| | P8/4 = vm3 = ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>A2
| | P8/4 = vm3 = ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>A2
| | C Ebv Gbvv=F#^^ A^ C
| | C Ebv Gbvv=F#^^ A^ C
| | diminished
| | Diminished
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|-
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| | 17
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| | P4/4 = ^m2 = v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>AA1
| | P4/4 = ^m2 = v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>AA1
| | C Db^ Ebb^^=D#vv Ev F
| | C Db^ Ebb^^=D#vv Ev F
| | negri
| | Negri
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|-
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| | P5/4 = vM2 = ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>m2
| | P5/4 = vM2 = ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>m2
| | C Dv Evv=Eb^^ F^ G
| | C Dv Evv=Eb^^ F^ G
| | tetracot
| | Tetracot
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|-
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| | P11/4 = ^M3 = v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>dd5
| | P11/4 = ^M3 = v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>dd5
| | C E^ G#^^ Dbv F
| | C E^ G#^^ Dbv F
| | squares
| | Squares
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|-
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| | P12/4 = v4 = ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>M3
| | P12/4 = v4 = ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>M3
| | C Fv Bbvv=A^^ D^ G
| | C Fv Bbvv=A^^ D^ G
| | vulture
| | Vulture
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|-
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* 21-edo: ^ = 57¢ (if used, # = 0¢)
* 21-edo: ^ = 57¢ (if used, # = 0¢)
* 22-edo: # = 164¢, ^ = 55¢ (^ = 1/3 #)
* 22-edo: # = 164¢, ^ = 55¢ (^ = 1/3 #)
* quarter-comma meantone: # = 76¢
* quarter-comma Meantone: # = 76¢
* fifth-comma meantone: # = 84¢
* fifth-comma Meantone: # = 84¢
* third-comma archy: # = 177¢
* third-comma Archy: # = 177¢
* eighth-comma porcupine: # = 157¢, ^ = 52¢ (^ = 1/3 #)
* eighth-comma Porcupine: # = 157¢, ^ = 52¢ (^ = 1/3 #)
* sixth-comma srutal: # = 139¢, ^ = 33¢ (no fixed relationship between ^ and #)
* sixth-comma Srutal: # = 139¢, ^ = 33¢ (no fixed relationship between ^ and #)
* third-comma injera: # = 63¢, ^ = 31¢ (no fixed relationship between ^ and #, third-comma means 1/3 of 81/80)
* third-comma Injera: # = 63¢, ^ = 31¢ (no fixed relationship between ^ and #, third-comma means 1/3 of 81/80)
* eighth-comma hedgehog: # = 157¢, ^ = 49¢, / = 52¢ (/ = 1/3 #, eighth-comma means 1/8 of 250/243)
* eighth-comma Hedgehog: # = 157¢, ^ = 49¢, / = 52¢ (/ = 1/3 #, eighth-comma means 1/8 of 250/243)
Hedgehog is half-8ve third-4th. While the best tuning of a specific temperament is found by minimizing the mistuning of certain ratios, the best tuning of a general pergen is less obvious. Both srutal and injera are half-8ve, but their optimal tunings are very different.
Hedgehog is half-8ve third-4th. While the best tuning of a specific temperament is found by minimizing the mistuning of certain ratios, the best tuning of a general pergen is less obvious. Both Srutal and Injera are half-8ve, but their optimal tunings are very different.


==Finding a notation for a pergen==
==Finding a notation for a pergen==
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It's not yet known if every pergen can avoid large enharmonics (those of a 3rd or more) with double-pair notation. One situation in which very large enharmonics occur is the "half-step glitch". This is when the stepspan of the multigen is half (or a third, a quarter, etc.) of the multigen's splitting fraction. For example, in sixth-4th, six generators must cover three scale steps, and each one must cover a half-step. Each generator is either a unison or a 2nd, which causes the enharmonic's stepspan to equal the multigen's stepspan.
It's not yet known if every pergen can avoid large enharmonics (those of a 3rd or more) with double-pair notation. One situation in which very large enharmonics occur is the "half-step glitch". This is when the stepspan of the multigen is half (or a third, a quarter, etc.) of the multigen's splitting fraction. For example, in sixth-4th, six generators must cover three scale steps, and each one must cover a half-step. Each generator is either a unison or a 2nd, which causes the enharmonic's stepspan to equal the multigen's stepspan.


Sixth-4th with single-pair notation has an awkward ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">6</span>d<span style="vertical-align: super;">6</span>4 enharmonic. It might result from combining half-4th and third-4th (e.g. tempering out both the semaphore and porcupine commas), and its double-pair notation can also combine both. Half-4th has E = vvm2 and G = ^M2 = vm3. Third-4th has E' = \<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>A1 and G' = \M2 = //m2. G - G' = P4/2 - P4/3 = P4/6. Thus the sixth-4th generator is G - G' = ^M2 - \M2 = ^/1.
Sixth-4th with single-pair notation has an awkward ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">6</span>d<span style="vertical-align: super;">6</span>4 enharmonic. It might result from combining half-4th and third-4th (e.g. tempering out both the Semaphore and Porcupine commas), and its double-pair notation can also combine both. Half-4th has E = vvm2 and G = ^M2 = vm3. Third-4th has E' = \<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>A1 and G' = \M2 = //m2. G - G' = P4/2 - P4/3 = P4/6. Thus the sixth-4th generator is G - G' = ^M2 - \M2 = ^/1.


<span style="display: block; text-align: center;">P1 — ^/1=v/m2 — //m2=\M2 — ^M2=vm3 — /m3=\\M3 — ^\M3=v\4 — P4
<span style="display: block; text-align: center;">P1 — ^/1=v/m2 — //m2=\M2 — ^M2=vm3 — /m3=\\M3 — ^\M3=v\4 — P4
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For example, (P8, P5/3) has n = 3, G = ^M2, and E = v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>m2 = [1,1]. G is upped only once, so the count is 1, and the multi-E is also [1,1]. Subtract n from the gedra's keyspan to make a new multi-E [-2,1]. This can't be simplified, so the new E is also [-2,1] = d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2. Assuming a reasonably just 5th, E needs to be upped, so E = ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2. Add the multi-E ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>[-2,1] to the multigen P5 = [7,4] to get ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>[5,3]. This isn't divisible by n, so we must subtract instead: [7,4] - ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>[-2,1] = v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>[9,3] = 3·v[3,1], and G = vA2. Use the equation M = n·G + y·E to check: 3·vA2 + 1·^3d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2 = 3·M2 + 1·m2 = P5. (Diminish three A2's once and augment one d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2 three times.) Here are the genchains: P1 -- vA2=^^dd3 -- ^d4 -- P5 and C -- D#v -- Fb^ -- G. Because d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2 = -200¢ - 26·c, ^ = (-d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2) / 3 = 67¢ + 8.67·c, about a third-tone.
For example, (P8, P5/3) has n = 3, G = ^M2, and E = v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>m2 = [1,1]. G is upped only once, so the count is 1, and the multi-E is also [1,1]. Subtract n from the gedra's keyspan to make a new multi-E [-2,1]. This can't be simplified, so the new E is also [-2,1] = d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2. Assuming a reasonably just 5th, E needs to be upped, so E = ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2. Add the multi-E ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>[-2,1] to the multigen P5 = [7,4] to get ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>[5,3]. This isn't divisible by n, so we must subtract instead: [7,4] - ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>[-2,1] = v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>[9,3] = 3·v[3,1], and G = vA2. Use the equation M = n·G + y·E to check: 3·vA2 + 1·^3d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2 = 3·M2 + 1·m2 = P5. (Diminish three A2's once and augment one d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2 three times.) Here are the genchains: P1 -- vA2=^^dd3 -- ^d4 -- P5 and C -- D#v -- Fb^ -- G. Because d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2 = -200¢ - 26·c, ^ = (-d<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>2) / 3 = 67¢ + 8.67·c, about a third-tone.


Approaching pergens in a higher-primes-agnostic way, independently of specific commas or temperaments, one enharmonic (and one notation) will usually be obviously superior. But sometimes the temperament being notated implies a certain enharmonic. Specifically, the comma tempered out should map to E, or the multi-E if the count is &gt; 1. For example, consider semaphore (2.3.7 and 49/48), which is half-4th. Assuming 7/4 is a m7, the comma is a m2, and a vvm2 enharmonic makes sense. G = ^M2 and the genchain is C -- D^=Ebv -- F. But consider lalayoyo, which tempers out (-22, 11, 2). This temperament is also half-4th. The comma is a descending dd2, thus E = ^^dd2, G = vA2, and the genchain is C -- D#v=Ebb^ -- F. This is the best notation because the (-10, 5, 1) generator is an augmented 2nd.
Approaching pergens in a higher-primes-agnostic way, independently of specific commas or temperaments, one enharmonic (and one notation) will usually be obviously superior. But sometimes the temperament being notated implies a certain enharmonic. Specifically, the comma tempered out should map to E, or the multi-E if the count is &gt; 1. For example, consider Semaphore (2.3.7 and 49/48), which is half-4th. Assuming 7/4 is a m7, the comma is a m2, and a vvm2 enharmonic makes sense. G = ^M2 and the genchain is C -- D^=Ebv -- F. But consider Lala-yoyo, which tempers out (-22, 11, 2). This temperament is also half-4th. The comma is a descending dd2, thus E = ^^dd2, G = vA2, and the genchain is C -- D#v=Ebb^ -- F. This is the best notation because the (-10, 5, 1) generator is an augmented 2nd.


Of course, the 2nd comma is much more obscure than 49/48, and much harder to pump. Most half-4th commas are in fact minor 2nds, and the vvm2 enharmonic is indeed a superior notation. But there is another situation in which alternate harmonics arise. There is no consensus on how to map primes 11 and 13 to the 3-limit. 11/8 can be either P4 or A4, and 13/8 can be either m6 or M6. The choice can affect the choice of enharmonic.
Of course, the 2nd comma is much more obscure than 49/48, and much harder to pump. Most half-4th commas are in fact minor 2nds, and the vvm2 enharmonic is indeed a superior notation. But there is another situation in which alternate harmonics arise. There is no consensus on how to map primes 11 and 13 to the 3-limit. 11/8 can be either P4 or A4, and 13/8 can be either m6 or M6. The choice can affect the choice of enharmonic.


For example, satrilu tempers out (12,-1,0,0,-3) from 2.3.11, making a third-11th pergen. The generator is 11/8. If 11/8 is notated as an ^4, the enharmonic is v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>M2, but if 11/8 is notated as a vA4, the enharmonic is ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>dd2.
For example, Satrilu tempers out (12,-1,0,0,-3) from 2.3.11, making a third-11th pergen. The generator is 11/8. If 11/8 is notated as an ^4, the enharmonic is v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>M2, but if 11/8 is notated as a vA4, the enharmonic is ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>dd2.


Sometimes the temperament implies an enharmonic that isn't even a 2nd. For example, liese (2.3.5.7 with 81/80 and 1029/1000) is (P8, P11/3), with G = 7/5 = vd5, and E = 3·vd5 - P11 = v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>dd3. The genchain is P1 -- vd5 -- ^M7 -- P11, or C -- Gbv -- B^ -- F.
Sometimes the temperament implies an enharmonic that isn't even a 2nd. For example, Liese (2.3.5.7 with 81/80 and 1029/1000) is (P8, P11/3), with G = 7/5 = vd5, and E = 3·vd5 - P11 = v<span style="vertical-align: super;">3</span>dd3. The genchain is P1 -- vd5 -- ^M7 -- P11, or C -- Gbv -- B^ -- F.


This is all for single-comma temperaments. Each comma of a multiple-comma temperament also implies an enharmonic, and they may conflict. True double pergens, which are always multi-comma, have multiple notations. For example, the half-everything pergen has three possible notations, all equally valid. Even single-split pergens can have multiple commas that imply different enharmonics.
This is all for single-comma temperaments. Each comma of a multiple-comma temperament also implies an enharmonic, and they may conflict. True double pergens, which are always multi-comma, have multiple notations. For example, the half-everything pergen has three possible notations, all equally valid. Even single-split pergens can have multiple commas that imply different enharmonics.
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In certain pergens, one spelling isn't always clearly better. For example, in half-4th, C E G A^ and C E G Bbv are the same chord, and either spelling might be used. This exact same issue occurs in 24-edo.
In certain pergens, one spelling isn't always clearly better. For example, in half-4th, C E G A^ and C E G Bbv are the same chord, and either spelling might be used. This exact same issue occurs in 24-edo.


Given a specific temperament, the full period/generator mapping gives the notation of higher primes, and thus of any ratio. Thus JI chords can be named. For example, pajara (2.3.5.7 with 50/49 and 64/63) is (P8/2, P5), half-8ve, with P = vA4 or ^d5, G = P5, and E = ^^d2. The full mapping is [(2 2 7 8) (0 1 -2 -2)], which can also be written [(2 0) (2 1) (7 -2) (8 -2)]. This tells us 7/1 = 8·P - 2·G = 4·P8 - 2·P5 = WWm7, and 7/4 = m7. Likewise 5/1 = 7·P - 2·G = 7/1 minus a half-octave. From this it follows that 5/4 = m7 - ^d5 = vM3. A 4:5:6:7 chord is written C Ev G Bb = C7(v3).
Given a specific temperament, the full period/generator mapping gives the notation of higher primes, and thus of any ratio. Thus JI chords can be named. For example, Pajara (2.3.5.7 with 50/49 and 64/63) is (P8/2, P5), half-8ve, with P = vA4 or ^d5, G = P5, and E = ^^d2. The full mapping is [(2 2 7 8) (0 1 -2 -2)], which can also be written [(2 0) (2 1) (7 -2) (8 -2)]. This tells us 7/1 = 8·P - 2·G = 4·P8 - 2·P5 = WWm7, and 7/4 = m7. Likewise 5/1 = 7·P - 2·G = 7/1 minus a half-octave. From this it follows that 5/4 = m7 - ^d5 = vM3. A 4:5:6:7 chord is written C Ev G Bb = C7(v3).


A different temperament may result in the same pergen with the same enharmonic, but may still produce a different name for the same chord. For example, injera (2.3.5.7 with 81/80 and 50/49) is also half-8ve. However, the tipping point for the d2 enharmonic is at 700¢, and while pajara favors a fifth wider than that, injera favors a fifth narrower than that. Hence ups and downs are exchanged, and E = vvd2, and P = ^A4 = vd5. The mapping is [(2 2 0 1) (0 1 4 4)] = [(2 0) (2 1) (0 4) (1 4)]. Because the square mapping (the first two columns) are the same, the pergen is the same. Because the other columns are different, the higher primes are mapped differently. 5/4 = M3 and 7/4 = M3 + vd5 = vm7, and 4:5:6:7 = C E G Bbv = C,v7.
A different temperament may result in the same pergen with the same enharmonic, but may still produce a different name for the same chord. For example, Injera (2.3.5.7 with 81/80 and 50/49) is also half-8ve. However, the tipping point for the d2 enharmonic is at 700¢, and while Pajara favors a fifth wider than that, Injera favors a fifth narrower than that. Hence ups and downs are exchanged, and E = vvd2, and P = ^A4 = vd5. The mapping is [(2 2 0 1) (0 1 4 4)] = [(2 0) (2 1) (0 4) (1 4)]. Because the square mapping (the first two columns) are the same, the pergen is the same. Because the other columns are different, the higher primes are mapped differently. 5/4 = M3 and 7/4 = M3 + vd5 = vm7, and 4:5:6:7 = C E G Bbv = C,v7.


Scales can be named similar to Meantone[7], as (P8, P5) [7] = unsplit heptatonic, or (P8, P5/2) [5] = half-fifth pentatonic, etc. The number of notes in the scale tend to be a multiple of m, e.g. half-octave pergens tend to have scales with an even number of notes.
Scales can be named similar to Meantone[7], as (P8, P5) [7] = unsplit heptatonic, or (P8, P5/2) [5] = half-fifth pentatonic, etc. The number of notes in the scale tend to be a multiple of m, e.g. half-octave pergens tend to have scales with an even number of notes.


Chord progressions can be written out by applying ups and downs to the chord roots as needed, e.g. I.v -- vIII.v -- vVI.^m -- I.v. A porcupine (third-4th) comma pump can be written out like so: C.v -- Av.^m -- Dv.v -- [Bvv=Bb^]^m -- Eb^.v -- G.^m -- G.v -- C.v. Brackets are used to show that Bvv and Bb^ are enharmonically equivalent. The equivalence is shown roughly half-way through the pump. Bvv is written first to show that this root is a vM6 above the previous root, Dv. Bb^ is second to show the P4 relationship to the next root, Eb^. Such an equivalence of course couldn't be used on the staff, where the chord would be written as either Bvv.^m or Bb^.^m, or possibly Bb^.vvM = Bb^ Dv F^.
Chord progressions can be written out by applying ups and downs to the chord roots as needed, e.g. I.v -- vIII.v -- vVI.^m -- I.v. A Porcupine (third-4th) comma pump can be written out like so: C.v -- Av.^m -- Dv.v -- [Bvv=Bb^]^m -- Eb^.v -- G.^m -- G.v -- C.v. Brackets are used to show that Bvv and Bb^ are enharmonically equivalent. The equivalence is shown roughly half-way through the pump. Bvv is written first to show that this root is a vM6 above the previous root, Dv. Bb^ is second to show the P4 relationship to the next root, Eb^. Such an equivalence of course couldn't be used on the staff, where the chord would be written as either Bvv.^m or Bb^.^m, or possibly Bb^.vvM = Bb^ Dv F^.


Lifts and drops, like ups and downs, precede the note head and any sharps or flats. Scores for melody instruments could instead have them above or below the staff. This score uses ups and downs, and has chord names. It's for the third-4th pergen, with E = v<sup>3</sup>A1. As noted above, it can be played in EDOs 15, 22 or 29 as is, because ^1 maps to 1 edostep. But to be played in EDOs 30, 37 or 44, ^1 must be interpreted as two edosteps.
Lifts and drops, like ups and downs, precede the note head and any sharps or flats. Scores for melody instruments could instead have them above or below the staff. This score uses ups and downs, and has chord names. It's for the third-4th pergen, with E = v<sup>3</sup>A1. As noted above, it can be played in EDOs 15, 22 or 29 as is, because ^1 maps to 1 edostep. But to be played in EDOs 30, 37 or 44, ^1 must be interpreted as two edosteps.
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==Tipping points and sweet spots==
==Tipping points and sweet spots==


The tipping point for half-octave with a d2 enharmonic is 700¢, 12-edo's 5th. As noted above, the 5th of pajara (half-8ve) tends to be sharp, thus it has E = ^^d2. But injera, also half-8ve, has a flat 5th, and thus E = vvd2. It is fine for two temperaments with the same pergen to be on opposite sides of the tipping point. But if a single temperament "tips over", either the up symbol sometimes means down in pitch, or even worse, the direction of ups and downs for a piece would reverse if the tuning is adjusted slightly. Fortunately, the temperament's "sweet spot", where the damage to those JI ratios likely to occur in chords is minimized, rarely contains the tipping point.
The tipping point for half-octave with a d2 enharmonic is 700¢, 12-edo's 5th. As noted above, the 5th of Pajara (half-8ve) tends to be sharp, thus it has E = ^^d2. But Injera, also half-8ve, has a flat 5th, and thus E = vvd2. It is fine for two temperaments with the same pergen to be on opposite sides of the tipping point. But if a single temperament "tips over", either the up symbol sometimes means down in pitch, or even worse, the direction of ups and downs for a piece would reverse if the tuning is adjusted slightly. Fortunately, the temperament's "sweet spot", where the damage to those JI ratios likely to occur in chords is minimized, rarely contains the tipping point.


The tipping point depends on the choice of enharmonic. It's not the temperament that tips, it's the notation. Half-8ve could be notated with an E of vvM2. The tipping point becomes 600¢, a <u>very</u> unlikely 5th, and tipping is impossible. For single-comma temperaments, E usually equals the 3-limit mapping of the comma. Thus for 5-limit and 7-imit temperaments, the choice of E is a given. However, the mapping of primes 11 and 13 is not agreed on.
The tipping point depends on the choice of enharmonic. It's not the temperament that tips, it's the notation. Half-8ve could be notated with an E of vvM2. The tipping point becomes 600¢, a <u>very</u> unlikely 5th, and tipping is impossible. For single-comma temperaments, E usually equals the 3-limit mapping of the comma. Thus for 5-limit and 7-imit temperaments, the choice of E is a given. However, the mapping of primes 11 and 13 is not agreed on.


The notation's tipping point is determined by the bare enharmonic, which is implied by the vanishing comma. For example, porcupine's 250/243 comma is an A1 = (-11,7), which implies a bare E of A1, which implies 7-edo, and a 685.7¢ tipping point. Dicot's 25/24 comma is also an A1, and has the same tipping point. Semaphore's 49/48 comma is a minor 2nd = (8,-5), implying 5-edo and a 720¢ tipping point. See [[pergen#Applications-Tipping points|tipping points]] above for a more complete list.
The notation's tipping point is determined by the bare enharmonic, which is implied by the vanishing comma. For example, Porcupine's 250/243 comma is an A1 = (-11,7), which implies a bare E of A1, which implies 7-edo, and a 685.7¢ tipping point. Dicot's 25/24 comma is also an A1, and has the same tipping point. Semaphore's 49/48 comma is a minor 2nd = (8,-5), implying 5-edo and a 720¢ tipping point. See [[pergen#Applications-Tipping points|tipping points]] above for a more complete list.


Double-pair notation has two enharmonics, and two tipping points to be avoided. (P8/2, P4/2) has three possible notations. The two enharmonics can be either A1, m2 or d2. One can choose to use whichever two enharmonics best avoid tipping.
Double-pair notation has two enharmonics, and two tipping points to be avoided. (P8/2, P4/2) has three possible notations. The two enharmonics can be either A1, m2 or d2. One can choose to use whichever two enharmonics best avoid tipping.


An example of a temperament that tips easily is negri, 2.3.5 and (-14,3,4). Because negri is 5-limit, the mapping is unambiguous, and the comma must be a dd2, implying 19-edo and a 694.74¢ tipping point. This coincides almost exactly with negri's seventh-comma sweet spot, where 6/5 is just and 3/2 = 694.65¢. Negri's pergen is quarter-4th, with ^ = 25¢ + 4.75c, very nearly 0¢. The up symbol represents either 81/80 or 80/81, and E could be either ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>dd2 or v<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>dd2. When the choice is so arbitrary, it's perhaps best to avoid inverting the ratio. 81/80 implies an E of ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>dd2 and a G of ^m2. Negri's generator is 16/15, which is indeed a m2 raised by 81/80. In practice, seventh-comma negri's 5th is only 0.085¢ from 19-edo's 5th, the tuning is hardly audibly different than 19edo, and the piece can be written out in 19edo notation.
An example of a temperament that tips easily is Negri, 2.3.5 and (-14,3,4). Because Negri is 5-limit, the mapping is unambiguous, and the comma must be a dd2, implying 19-edo and a 694.74¢ tipping point. This coincides almost exactly with Negri's seventh-comma sweet spot, where 6/5 is just and 3/2 = 694.65¢. Negri's pergen is quarter-4th, with ^ = 25¢ + 4.75c, very nearly 0¢. The up symbol represents either 81/80 or 80/81, and E could be either ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>dd2 or v<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>dd2. When the choice is so arbitrary, it's perhaps best to avoid inverting the ratio. 81/80 implies an E of ^<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>dd2 and a G of ^m2. Negri's generator is 16/15, which is indeed a m2 raised by 81/80. In practice, seventh-comma Negri's 5th is only 0.085¢ from 19-edo's 5th, the tuning is hardly audibly different than 19edo, and the piece can be written out in 19edo notation.


Another "tippy" temperament is found by adding the mapping comma 81/80 to the negri comma and getting the latriyo comma (-18,7,3). This temperament is (P8, P11/3) with G = 45/32. The sweet spot is tenth-comma, even closer to 19edo's 5th.
Another "tippy" temperament is found by adding the mapping comma 81/80 to the Negri comma and getting the Latriyo comma (-18,7,3). This temperament is (P8, P11/3) with G = 45/32. The sweet spot is tenth-comma, even closer to 19edo's 5th.


==Notating unsplit pergens==
==Notating unsplit pergens==
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! | cents
! | cents
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| | meantone
| | Meantone
| | 81/80 = P1
| | 81/80 = P1
| | c = -3¢ to -5¢
| | c = -3¢ to -5¢
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| | ---
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| | mavila
| | Mavila
| | 135/128 = A1
| | 135/128 = A1
| | c = -21¢ to -22¢
| | c = -21¢ to -22¢
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| | -100¢ - 7c = 47¢-54¢
| | -100¢ - 7c = 47¢-54¢
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| | lagu
| | Lagu
| | (-15,11,-1) = A1
| | (-15,11,-1) = A1
| | c = -10¢ to -12¢
| | c = -10¢ to -12¢
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| | 100¢ + 7c = 26¢-30¢
| | 100¢ + 7c = 26¢-30¢
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| | schismic
| | Schismic
| | (-15,8,1) = -d2
| | (-15,8,1) = -d2
| | c = 1.7¢ to 2.0¢
| | c = 1.7¢ to 2.0¢
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| | 12c = 20¢-24¢
| | 12c = 20¢-24¢
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| | lalagu
| | Lalagu
| | (-23,16,-1) = -d2
| | (-23,16,-1) = -d2
| | c = -0.9¢ to -1.2¢
| | c = -0.9¢ to -1.2¢
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| | -12c = 10¢-15¢
| | -12c = 10¢-15¢
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| | father
| | Father
| | 16/15 = m2
| | 16/15 = m2
| | c = 56¢ to 58¢
| | c = 56¢ to 58¢
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| | -100¢ + 5c = 180-190¢
| | -100¢ + 5c = 180-190¢
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| | superpyth
| | Superpyth
| | (12,-9,1) = m2
| | (12,-9,1) = m2
| | c = 9¢ to 10¢
| | c = 9¢ to 10¢
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| | 100¢ - 5c = 50-55¢
| | 100¢ - 5c = 50-55¢
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|}
The schismic comma is a negative (i.e. descending) dim 2nd because it takes you down the scale, but up in pitch. The mavila temperament could perhaps be notated without ups and downs, because 5/4 is still a 3rd, and the 4:5:6 triad still looks like a triad.
The Schismic comma is a negative (i.e. descending) dim 2nd because it takes you down the scale, but up in pitch. The Mavila temperament could perhaps be notated without ups and downs, because 5/4 is still a 3rd, and the 4:5:6 triad still looks like a triad.


For unsplit pergens only, the up symbol's ratio can be expressed as a 3-limit comma, which is the sum or difference of the vanishing comma and the mapping comma. This 3-limit comma is tempered, as is every ratio. It can also be found directly from the 3-limit mapping of the vanishing comma. For example, the schismic comma is a descending d2, and d2 = (19,-12), therefore the 3-comma is the pythagorean comma (-19,12).
For unsplit pergens only, the up symbol's ratio can be expressed as a 3-limit comma, which is the sum or difference of the vanishing comma and the mapping comma. This 3-limit comma is tempered, as is every ratio. It can also be found directly from the 3-limit mapping of the vanishing comma. For example, the Schismic comma is a descending d2, and d2 = (19,-12), therefore the 3-comma is the pythagorean comma (-19,12).


A similar table could be made for 7-limit commas of the form (a,b,0,±1). Every such temperament except for archy (2.3.7 and 64/63) might use ups and downs to spell 7/4 as a m7. A 7-limit temperament with two commas may need double-pair notation, even though its pergen is unsplit, to avoid spelling the 4:5:6:7 chord something like C D# G A#. However, if both commas map to the same 3-limit comma, only single-pair is needed. For example, 7-limit schismic tempers out both (-15,8,1) = -d2 and (25,-14,0,-1) = d2. The up symbol stands for the pythagorean comma, and the 4:5:6:7 chord is spelled C Ev G Bbv.
A similar table could be made for 7-limit commas of the form (a,b,0,±1). Every such temperament except for Archy (2.3.7 and 64/63) might use ups and downs to spell 7/4 as a m7. A 7-limit temperament with two commas may need double-pair notation, even though its pergen is unsplit, to avoid spelling the 4:5:6:7 chord something like C D# G A#. However, if both commas map to the same 3-limit comma, only single-pair is needed. For example, 7-limit Schismic tempers out both (-15,8,1) = -d2 and (25,-14,0,-1) = d2. The up symbol stands for the pythagorean comma, and the 4:5:6:7 chord is spelled C Ev G Bbv.


==Notating rank-3 pergens==
==Notating rank-3 pergens==
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| | ---
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| | meantone
| | Meantone
| | (P8, P5)
| | (P8, P5)
| | rank-2
| | rank-2
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| | ---
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| | srutal
| | Srutal
| | (P8/2, P5)
| | (P8/2, P5)
| | rank-2
| | rank-2
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| | E = ^^d2
| | E = ^^d2
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| | semaphore
| | Semaphore
| | (P8, P4/2)
| | (P8, P4/2)
| | rank-2
| | rank-2
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| | E = vvm2
| | E = vvm2
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| | decimal
| | Decimal
| | (P8/2, P4/2)
| | (P8/2, P4/2)
| | rank-2
| | rank-2
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| | ---
| | ---
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|-
| | marvel
| | Marvel
| | (P8, P5, ^1)
| | (P8, P5, ^1)
| | rank-3
| | rank-3
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| | ---
| | ---
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|-
| | breedsmic
| | Breedsmic
| | (P8, P5/2, ^1)
| | (P8, P5/2, ^1)
| | rank-3
| | rank-3
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! | enharmonic
! | enharmonic
|-
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| | marvel
| | Marvel
| | 225/224
| | 225/224
| | (P8, P5, ^1)
| | (P8, P5, ^1)
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| | ^^\d2
| | ^^\d2
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| | biruyo
| | Biruyo
| | 50/49
| | 50/49
| | (P8/2, P5, ^1)
| | (P8/2, P5, ^1)
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| | ^^\\d2
| | ^^\\d2
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| | trizogu
| | Trizogu
| | 1029/1000
| | 1029/1000
| | (P8, P11/3, ^1)
| | (P8, P11/3, ^1)
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| | ^^^\\\dd3
| | ^^^\\\dd3
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| | breedsmic
| | Breedsmic
| | 2401/2400
| | 2401/2400
| | (P8, P5/2, ^1)
| | (P8, P5/2, ^1)
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| | ^^\<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>dd3
| | ^^\<span style="vertical-align: super;">4</span>dd3
|-
|-
| | demeter
| | Demeter
| | 686/675
| | 686/675
| | (P8, P5, vm3/2)
| | (P8, P5, vm3/2)
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| | ^^\\\dd3
| | ^^\\\dd3
|}
|}
If using single-pair notation, marvel is notated like 5-limit JI, but the 4:5:6:7 chord is spelled C - Ev - G - A#vv. If double-pair notation is used, /1 = 64/63, and the chord is spelled C - Ev - G - Bb\.
If using single-pair notation, Marvel is notated like 5-limit JI, but the 4:5:6:7 chord is spelled C - Ev - G - A#vv. If double-pair notation is used, /1 = 64/63, and the chord is spelled C - Ev - G - Bb\.


There's a lot of options in rank-3 double-pair notation for what ratio each accidental pair represents. For example, double ruyo is half-8ve, with a d2 comma, like srutal. Using the same notation as srutal, but with ^1 = 81/80, we have P = \A4 = /d5 and E = //d2. The ratio for /1 is (-10,6,-1,1), a descending interval. 7/4 = 5/4 + 7/5 = vM3 + /d5 = v/m7, and the 4:5:6:7 chord is spelled awkwardly as C Ev G Bbv/. However, double-pair notation for 7-limit rank-3 temperaments can be standardized so that ^1 is always 81/80 and /1 is always 64/63. This ensures the 4:5:6:7 chord is always spelled C Ev G Bb\.
There's a lot of options in rank-3 double-pair notation for what ratio each accidental pair represents. For example, Biruyo is half-8ve, with a d2 comma, like Srutal. Using the same notation as Srutal, but with ^1 = 81/80, we have P = \A4 = /d5 and E = //d2. The ratio for /1 is (-10,6,-1,1), a descending interval. 7/4 = 5/4 + 7/5 = vM3 + /d5 = v/m7, and the 4:5:6:7 chord is spelled awkwardly as C Ev G Bbv/. However, double-pair notation for 7-limit rank-3 temperaments can be standardized so that ^1 is always 81/80 and /1 is always 64/63. This ensures the 4:5:6:7 chord is always spelled C Ev G Bb\.


With this standardization, the enharmonic can be derived directly from the comma. The vanishing comma is written as some 3-limit comma plus some number of mapping commas. For example, 50/49 = (81/80)<span style="vertical-align: super;">-2</span> · (64/63)<span style="vertical-align: super;">2</span> · (-19,12). This can be rewritten as vv1 + //1 - d2 = vv//-d2 = -^^\\d2. The comma is negative (i.e.descending), but the enharmonic never is, therefore E = ^^\\d2. The period is found by adding/subtracting E from the 8ve and dividing by two, thus P = v/A4 = ^\d5. Both E and P become more complex, but the ratio for /1 becomes simpler.
With this standardization, the enharmonic can be derived directly from the comma. The vanishing comma is written as some 3-limit comma plus some number of mapping commas. For example, 50/49 = (81/80)<span style="vertical-align: super;">-2</span> · (64/63)<span style="vertical-align: super;">2</span> · (-19,12). This can be rewritten as vv1 + //1 - d2 = vv//-d2 = -^^\\d2. The comma is negative (i.e.descending), but the enharmonic never is, therefore E = ^^\\d2. The period is found by adding/subtracting E from the 8ve and dividing by two, thus P = v/A4 = ^\d5. Both E and P become more complex, but the ratio for /1 becomes simpler.


This 3-limit comma defines the tipping point. At the tipping point, the 3-limit comma vanishes too. In a rank-2 temperament, the mapping comma must also vanish, because some number of them plus the 3-limit comma must add up to the original comma, which vanishes. However, a rank-3 temperament has two mapping commas, and neither is forced to vanish if the 3-limit comma vanishes. A rank-3 double-pair notation's tipping point is where both mapping commas are tempered out. For double ruyo, this happens when the tuning is exactly 12edo. This tuning is much farther from just than need be, well outside the sweet spot. Therefore double ruyo doesn't tip. Single-pair rank-3 notation has no enharmonic, and thus no tipping point. Double-pair rank-3 notation has 1 enharmonic, but two mapping commas. Rank-3 notations rarely tip.
This 3-limit comma defines the tipping point. At the tipping point, the 3-limit comma vanishes too. In a rank-2 temperament, the mapping comma must also vanish, because some number of them plus the 3-limit comma must add up to the original comma, which vanishes. However, a rank-3 temperament has two mapping commas, and neither is forced to vanish if the 3-limit comma vanishes. A rank-3 double-pair notation's tipping point is where both mapping commas are tempered out. For Biruyo, this happens when the tuning is exactly 12edo. This tuning is much farther from just than need be, well outside the sweet spot. Therefore Biruyo doesn't tip. Single-pair rank-3 notation has no enharmonic, and thus no tipping point. Double-pair rank-3 notation has 1 enharmonic, but two mapping commas. Rank-3 notations rarely tip.


Unlike the previous examples, Demeter's gen2 can't be expressed as a mapping comma. It divides 5/4 into three 15/14 generators, and 7/6 into two generators. Its pergen is (P8, P5, vm3/2). It could also be called (P8, P5, vM3/3), but the pergen with a smaller fraction is preferred. Because the 8ve and 5th are unsplit, single-pair notation is possible, with gen2 = ^m2 and no E. But the 4:5:6:7 chord would be spelled C -- Fbbb^^^ -- G -- Bbb^^, very awkward! Standard double-pair notation is better. Gen2 = v/A1, E = ^^\\\dd3, and C^^\\\ = A##. Genchain2 is C -- C#v/ -- Eb\ -- Ev -- Gb\\ -- Gv\ -- G#vv=Bbb\\\ -- Bbv\\... Unlike other genchains we've seen, the additional accidentals get progressively more complex. Whenever an accidental has its own enharmonic, with no other accidentals in it, it always adds up to something simpler eventually. If it doesn't have its own enharmonic, it's infinitely stackable. A case can be made for a convention that colors are used only for infinitely stackable accidentals, and ups/downs/lifts/drops only for the other kind of accidentals.
Unlike the previous examples, Demeter's gen2 can't be expressed as a mapping comma. It divides 5/4 into three 15/14 generators, and 7/6 into two generators. Its pergen is (P8, P5, vm3/2). It could also be called (P8, P5, vM3/3), but the pergen with a smaller fraction is preferred. Because the 8ve and 5th are unsplit, single-pair notation is possible, with gen2 = ^m2 and no E. But the 4:5:6:7 chord would be spelled C -- Fbbb^^^ -- G -- Bbb^^, very awkward! Standard double-pair notation is better. Gen2 = v/A1, E = ^^\\\dd3, and C^^\\\ = A##. Genchain2 is C -- C#v/ -- Eb\ -- Ev -- Gb\\ -- Gv\ -- G#vv=Bbb\\\ -- Bbv\\... Unlike other genchains we've seen, the additional accidentals get progressively more complex. Whenever an accidental has its own enharmonic, with no other accidentals in it, it always adds up to something simpler eventually. If it doesn't have its own enharmonic, it's infinitely stackable. A case can be made for a convention that colors are used only for infinitely stackable accidentals, and ups/downs/lifts/drops only for the other kind of accidentals.


There are always many alternate 2nd generators. Any combination of periods, 1st generators and commas can be added to or subtracted from gen2 to make alternates. If gen2 can be expressed as a mapping comma, that is preferred. For demeter, any combination of vm3, double-8ves and double-5ths (M9's) makes an alternate multigen2. Any 3-limit interval can be added or subtracted twice, because the splitting fraction is 2. Obviously we can't choose the multigen2 with the smallest cents, because there will always be a 3-limit comma small enough to be subtracted twice from it. Instead, once the splitting fraction is minimized, choose the multigen2 with the smallest odd limit. In case of two ratios with the same odd limit, as 5/3 and 5/4, the '''DOL''' ([[Odd limit|double odd limit]]) is minimized. DOL (5/3) = (5,3) and DOL (5/4) = (5,1). Since 1 &lt; 3, 5/4 is preferred.
There are always many alternate 2nd generators. Any combination of periods, 1st generators and commas can be added to or subtracted from gen2 to make alternates. If gen2 can be expressed as a mapping comma, that is preferred. For Demeter, any combination of vm3, double-8ves and double-5ths (M9's) makes an alternate multigen2. Any 3-limit interval can be added or subtracted twice, because the splitting fraction is 2. Obviously we can't choose the multigen2 with the smallest cents, because there will always be a 3-limit comma small enough to be subtracted twice from it. Instead, once the splitting fraction is minimized, choose the multigen2 with the smallest odd limit. In case of two ratios with the same odd limit, as 5/3 and 5/4, the '''DOL''' ([[Odd limit|double odd limit]]) is minimized. DOL (5/3) = (5,3) and DOL (5/4) = (5,1). Since 1 &lt; 3, 5/4 is preferred.


If ^1 = 81/80, possible half-split gen2's are vM3/2, vM6/2, and their octave inverses ^m6/2 and ^m3/2. Possible third-split gen2's are vM3/3, vM6/3, vM2/3, and their inverses, plus vM9/3, ^m10/3 and vM10/3. If ^1 = 64/63, possible third-splits are ^M2/3, vm3/3, ^M3/3, vm6/3, ^M6/3, vm7/3, ^M9/3, vm10/3 and ^M10/3. Analogous to rank-2 pergens with imperfect multigens, there will be occasional double-up or double-down multigen2's.
If ^1 = 81/80, possible half-split gen2's are vM3/2, vM6/2, and their octave inverses ^m6/2 and ^m3/2. Possible third-split gen2's are vM3/3, vM6/3, vM2/3, and their inverses, plus vM9/3, ^m10/3 and vM10/3. If ^1 = 64/63, possible third-splits are ^M2/3, vm3/3, ^M3/3, vm6/3, ^M6/3, vm7/3, ^M9/3, vm10/3 and ^M10/3. Analogous to rank-2 pergens with imperfect multigens, there will be occasional double-up or double-down multigen2's.
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! | ^1 ratio
! | ^1 ratio
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| | laquinzo
| | Laquinzo
| | 2.3.7
| | 2.3.7
| | (-14,0,0,5)
| | (-14,0,0,5)
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| | 49/48
| | 49/48
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| | saquinru
| | Saquinru
| | 2.3.7
| | 2.3.7
| | (22,-5,0,-5)
| | (22,-5,0,-5)
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In any notation, every note has a name, and no two notes have the same name. A note's representation on the musical staff follows from its name. If the notation has any enharmonics, each note has several names. Generally, every name has a note. Every possible name, and anything that can be written on on the staff, corresponds to one and only one note in the lattice formed by perchains and genchains.
In any notation, every note has a name, and no two notes have the same name. A note's representation on the musical staff follows from its name. If the notation has any enharmonics, each note has several names. Generally, every name has a note. Every possible name, and anything that can be written on on the staff, corresponds to one and only one note in the lattice formed by perchains and genchains.


But in non-8ve and no-5ths pergens, not every name has a note. For example, biruyo nowa (2.5.7 and 50/49) is (P8/2, M3) = half-8ve, major 3rd. The genchain runs C - E - G# - B# - D##... and the perchain runs C - F#v - C. There is no G or D or A note, in fact 75% of all possible note names have no actual note. 75% of all intervals don't exist. There is no perfect 5th or major 2nd. There are missing notes and missing intervals.
But in non-8ve and no-5ths pergens, not every name has a note. For example, Biruyo nowa (2.5.7 and 50/49) is (P8/2, M3) = half-8ve, major 3rd. The genchain runs C - E - G# - B# - D##... and the perchain runs C - F#v - C. There is no G or D or A note, in fact 75% of all possible note names have no actual note. 75% of all intervals don't exist. There is no perfect 5th or major 2nd. There are missing notes and missing intervals.


Conventional notation assumes the 2.3 prime subgroup. Non-8ve and no-5ths pergens can be notated in a backwards compatible way as a subset of a larger prime subgroup which contains 2 and 3. Thus 5/4 = M3, 7/4 = m7, etc. The advantage of this approach is that conventional staff notation can be used. A violinist or vocalist will immediately have a rough idea of the pitch. The disadvantage is that there is a <u>huge</u> number of missing notes and intervals. The composer may want to use a notation that isn't backwards compatible for composing, but use one that is for communicating with other musicians.
Conventional notation assumes the 2.3 prime subgroup. Non-8ve and no-5ths pergens can be notated in a backwards compatible way as a subset of a larger prime subgroup which contains 2 and 3. Thus 5/4 = M3, 7/4 = m7, etc. The advantage of this approach is that conventional staff notation can be used. A violinist or vocalist will immediately have a rough idea of the pitch. The disadvantage is that there is a <u>huge</u> number of missing notes and intervals. The composer may want to use a notation that isn't backwards compatible for composing, but use one that is for communicating with other musicians.
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For example, for 7-edo and 17-edo, the edomappings are (7, 4, 2) and (17, 10, 5). Their cross product is (0, -1, 2). This comma equates two generators with a 5th. The pergen is obviously (P8, P5/2).
For example, for 7-edo and 17-edo, the edomappings are (7, 4, 2) and (17, 10, 5). Their cross product is (0, -1, 2). This comma equates two generators with a 5th. The pergen is obviously (P8, P5/2).


To verify the validity of this approach, one can find a specific JI ratio that maps to both 2\7 and 5\17 and use it to construct a comma. The ratio must contain only one higher prime, and must have color depth 1. If desired, a ratio of the form p/t can always be found, where p is a higher prime and t is a power of two. Any ratio between 3\14 and 5\14 maps to 2\7, and any ratio between 9\34 and 11\34 maps to 5\17. (The formula is (2n±1)/2d.) This gives us the ranges 257-429¢ and 318-388¢. Thus 5/4 barely works. The comma is (0, -1, 2) dot (2/1, 3/2, 5/4) = 25/24. 11/9 also works, it yields 243/242.
To verify the validity of this approach, one can find a specific JI ratio that maps to both 2\7 and 5\17 and use it to construct a comma. The ratio must contain only one higher prime, and must have color depth 1. If desired, a ratio of the form p/t can always be found, where p is a higher prime and t is a power of two. Any ratio between 3\14 and 5\14 maps to 2\7, and any ratio between 9\34 and 11\34 maps to 5\17. (The formula is (2n±1)/2d.) This gives us the ranges 257-429¢ and 318-388¢. Thus 5/4 barely works. The comma is (0, -1, 2) dot (2/1, 3/2, 5/4) = 25/24 (Dicot). 11/9 also works, it yields 243/242 (Mohajira).


If the two edos have the same 5th, such as 12edo and 24edo do, the 5th is some multiple of the period, and the pergen is a multi-EDO pergen.
If the two edos have the same 5th, such as 12edo and 24edo do, the 5th is some multiple of the period, and the pergen is a multi-EDO pergen.
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Pergens were discovered by [[Kite Giedraitis]] in 2017, and developed with the help of [[Praveen Venkataramana]].
Pergens were discovered by [[KiteGiedraitis|Kite Giedraitis]] in 2017, and developed with the help of [[PraveenVenkataramana|Praveen Venkataramana]].