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| = ARCHIVED WIKISPACES DISCUSSION BELOW =
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| '''All discussion below is archived from the Wikispaces export in its original unaltered form.'''
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| <span style="color:#800000">'''PLEASE MAKE ANY NEW COMMENTS <u>ABOVE</u> THIS SECTION.'''</span> Anything below here is for archival purposes only.
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| == drift ==
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| I originally wrote this article in July 2009, & starting on May 2, I notice there have been many changes made, & at this point it's drifted pretty far from what I originally intended.
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| I wanted to point out th nearness of certain intervals in 23edo to certain members of th harmonic series. A guest, with good intentions I imagine, changed all th intervals on th chart to th nearest JI ratio, which is different from th nearest harmonic.
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| A chart showing th nearest harmonics is a different chart from a chart showing th nearest JI ratios.
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| It seems to me that making a change like that to an article warrants conversation in th discussion tab, but I see that th discussion tab contains no conversation whatsoever about content -- only about wiki structure.
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| So I am initiating conversation. Everything that follows that chart is based on th idea that 23edo well-approximates certain high harmonics, & without that clearly indicated in th introduction, I think th idea is lost.
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| I'm not going to make any changes at this point to th page itself, but I wanted to start that conversation.
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| - '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' July 24, 2010, 02:29:29 PM UTC-0700
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| Can you please describe the difference between the nearest harmonic interval and nearest JI interval (as new articles - starting) from your point of view?
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| - '''xenwolf''' August 06, 2010, 05:07:38 AM UTC-0700
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| There are already some notes under
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| <ul><li>Nearest just interval</li><li>nearest harmonic - seems not to be the same ;-)</li></ul>
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| - '''xenwolf''' August 06, 2010, 05:17:08 AM UTC-0700
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| By "nearest harmonic interval," I meant to refer to octave-reduced overtones -- ratios with some multiple of 2 on th bottom. My original list can be seen in th page "history," & includes only octave-reduced overtones.
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| I now recognize that I missed some important overtones (such as th 13th, which is only 6 cents away from 16 degrees of 23edo!) & that my method of finding close approximations of high-limit harmonic chords was not th best. Specifically, by seeking out only overtones at th beginning of th process, I unintentionally omit harmonic chords which would be in-tune if th fundamental is omitted.
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| Ideally, I would start this project over & come up with a different set of chords. I doubt that I will do this soon. At this point, I consider both my original article (which was a sort of thinking-out-loud experiment anyway) & th current article insufficient....
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| - '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' August 06, 2010, 05:55:28 AM UTC-0700
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| Ok, I got your idea of harmonics. I understood it as "simple ratios" first. Now, what do you think, what JI intervals could be? I'm interested in some metrics of tunings/systems - I want to make some small software tools for that (maybe in python or so)... BTW: what makes an octave-reduced harmonic
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| mathematically "nearest"?
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| - '''xenwolf''' August 06, 2010, 06:18:01 AM UTC-0700
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| == move to 23edo article ==
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| What makes the most sense would be to merge this with the 23edo article, which mostly consists of a giant picture of a guitar at the moment. The guitat belongs at the bottom, and this should go on top.
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| - '''genewardsmith''' June 22, 2010, 12:58:16 AM UTC-0700
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| I'm not sure. I mean large articles less useful for linking to it. I suggest to try to couple articles by navigation templates. Here is a test. Getting it on a better position (for example at the right margin), is left as todo :-)
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| - '''xenwolf''' June 22, 2010, 02:32:45 AM UTC-0700
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| Oh, I forgot:
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| http://98ab76cd54ef.wikispaces.com/navigation+template+test
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| - '''xenwolf''' June 22, 2010, 02:33:08 AM UTC-0700
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| == Rename ==
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| The article talks about triads, tetrads,... I think another name was better now. What do you think about Harmony of 23edo (with a redirect from the old page of course)?
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| - '''xenwolf''' June 15, 2010, 12:19:47 AM UTC-0700
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| I like the title "Harmony of 23edo".
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| - '''Osmiorisbendi''' June 21, 2010, 09:49:39 PM UTC-0700
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| Great! Then let's do it.
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| - '''xenwolf''' June 22, 2010, 12:04:10 AM UTC-0700
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| I don't think this article attempts to explain "Harmony in 23edo," but rather one modest approach to developing harmony that makes use of relatively high harmonics that 23edo approximates well.
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| There are many other possible approaches to harmony in 23edo than that given on this page.
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| I mention this in th interest of polydescriptionism; a page as specific as this should not (says me) get th last word on a topic as general as "Harmony in 23edo," about which a thousand other things could be said.
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| - '''Andrew_Heathwaite''' July 24, 2010, 02:32:08 PM UTC-0700
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| Would it be better to make this article an overview and restoring your old intention under the original title (Meantime, I forgot it) linking to it? And extract TutimDeft's intention into another article, linked from here too? What do you think?
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| - '''xenwolf''' August 06, 2010, 05:12:30 AM UTC-0700
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