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::: That is strong evidence for concordance in the 5-limit, not the 7-limit. Again, there is nothing wrong with presenting the ''theory'' of septimal concordance when it applies; it's just important to distinguish that theory from the mainstream interpretation of meantone as a (conceptual and practical) tuning oriented specifically toward ''5-limit'' concordance. Common practice included many meantone-based well-temperaments and meantones other than quarter-comma, so it is not appropriate to construe interpretations that rely on near-quarter-comma tuning as representing a canonical interpretation of the entirety of meantone-based harmony.

::: --[[User:Bcmills|Bcmills]] ([[User talk:Bcmills|talk]]) 15:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

:::: Evidence of consideration of septimal intervals in the Renaissance and Baroque seems to be merely hard to find, not impossible. For instance, "[https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Vicentinos-dot-and-comma-notation-demonstrating-the-almost-just-8-7-septimal-wholetone_fig2_335653541 Fundamental Principles of Just Intonation and Microtonal Composition]" by Thomas Nicholson and Marc Sabat at the Universität der Künste Berlin (no date given but must be at least as recent as 2012) cites people of the times at least thinking about septimal intervals: Giuseppe Tartini and Nicola Vicentino.

:::: Other Google search results for septimal intervals in Renaissance and Baroque music (and music of Nicola Vicentino and Giuseppe Tartini) give further tantalizing clues of the consideration of septimal intervals in these times, and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-limit_tuning the Wikipedia page on 7-limit tuning] lists some composers going back to that era who considered septimal intervals to include consonant members, but gives little additional details. Overall, the gestalt impression that I get is that the Renaissance and Baroque music communities mostly swept the 7-limit under the rug, but a few people at least poked at it.

:::: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 06:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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 ::: That is strong evidence for concordance in the 5-limit, not the 7-limit. Again, there is nothing wrong with presenting the ''theory'' of septimal concordance when it applies; it's just important to distinguish that theory from the mainstream interpretation of meantone as a (conceptual and practical) tuning oriented specifically toward ''5-limit'' concordance. Common practice included many meantone-based well-temperaments and meantones other than quarter-comma, so it is not appropriate to construe interpretations that rely on near-quarter-comma tuning as representing a canonical interpretation of the entirety of meantone-based harmony.
 ::: --[[User:Bcmills|Bcmills]] ([[User talk:Bcmills|talk]]) 15:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::: Evidence of consideration of septimal intervals in the Renaissance and Baroque seems to be merely hard to find, not impossible.  For instance, "[https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Vicentinos-dot-and-comma-notation-demonstrating-the-almost-just-8-7-septimal-wholetone_fig2_335653541 Fundamental Principles of Just Intonation and Microtonal Composition]" by Thomas Nicholson and Marc Sabat at the Universität der Künste Berlin (no date given but must be at least as recent as 2012) cites people of the times at least thinking about septimal intervals:  Giuseppe Tartini and Nicola Vicentino.
+:::: Other Google search results for septimal intervals in Renaissance and Baroque music (and music of Nicola Vicentino and Giuseppe Tartini) give further tantalizing clues of the consideration of septimal intervals in these times, and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-limit_tuning the Wikipedia page on 7-limit tuning] lists some composers going back to that era who considered septimal intervals to include consonant members, but gives little additional details.  Overall, the gestalt impression that I get is that the Renaissance and Baroque music communities mostly swept the 7-limit under the rug, but a few people at least poked at it.
+:::: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 06:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)