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'''Reversed meantone''' is a temperament which tempers out the 41-limit comma [[82/81]].
'''Reversed meantone''' is a temperament which tempers out the 41-limit comma [[82/81]].


== REVERSE MEANTONE! ==
== Properties ==
As meantone is based on the syntonic comma, 81/80, tempering the fifth flat, tempering [[82/81]] instead results in a sharper fifth, and a major third equivalent to the 41st harmonic instead of the 5th, so it might as well be called reverse meantone. The 41st is very delicate however and mistuning by several cents destroys it, so if its use is intended as more than a joke exact quarter comma tempering is best, although [[39edo]] does a fair job.
As [[meantone]] is based on the syntonic comma, 81/80, tempering the fifth flat, tempering [[82/81]] instead results in a sharper fifth, and a major third equivalent to the 41st harmonic instead of the 5th, so it might as well be called reverse meantone. As a very high limit interval, however, that [[41/32]] is far less recognizable as an interval than meantone’s 5/4, and would more likely be heard as a flat 9/7. Additionally, the 41st is very delicate, and mistuning by several cents destroys it, so if its use is intended as more than a joke exact quarter comma tempering is best, although [[39edo]] does a fair job.


Related to this idea, [[162/161]] is a 23-limit comma (specifically 161 = 7 × 23), and [[163/162]] being prime would indeed be ridiculous.
Related to this idea, [[162/161]] is a 23-limit comma (specifically 161 = 7 × 23), and [[163/162]] being prime would indeed be ridiculous.
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[[TOP tuning|TOP generator]]s: ~2 = 1199.6961, ~4/3 = 494.3834
[[TOP tuning|TOP generator]]s: ~2 = 1199.6961, ~4/3 = 494.3834


[[Optimal GPV sequence]]: {{Val list| 5, 12, 17 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 12, 17 }}
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[[TOP tuning|TOP generator]]s: ~2 = 1197.2342, ~4/3 = 488.9029
[[TOP tuning|TOP generator]]s: ~2 = 1197.2342, ~4/3 = 488.9029


[[Optimal GPV sequence]]: {{Val list| 5, 12, 17, 22, 49 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 12, 17, 22, 49 }}
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[[TOP tuning|TOP generator]]s: ~2 = 1197.9683, ~4/3 = 491.3454
[[TOP tuning|TOP generator]]s: ~2 = 1197.9683, ~4/3 = 491.3454


[[Optimal GPV sequence]]: {{Val list| 5, 12, 17, 22, 39d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 5, 12, 17, 22, 39d }}
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[[Category:41-limit]]
=== Other tunings ===
[[Category:Temperaments]]
* [[DKW theory|DKW]] (2.3.41): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 706.8411 (~4/3 = 493.1589)
* DKW (2.3.6561/160<ref>Mathematically identical to [[meantone]], but optimized for the "retroptolemaic" thirds, [[2560/2187]] and [[6561/5120]], rather than 6/5 and 5/4</ref>): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 706.8984 (~4/3 = 493.1016)
 
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