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:::: You literally just told me to add a note to the bullet points clarifying which usages are yours + Dave's. So I did; I added a bunch of stuff in that direction, historical usages of "map" and ways in which it is the same and different from this new proposed definition and who used what terms where and so forth. You are now saying that you don't want to be quarantined behind labels? You also just told me 45 minutes ago to add a category for your + Dave's stuff, and linked to your user page for reference, although I didn't do it. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 03:40, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

::::: Sorry for the confusion Mike. Please let me clarify.

::::: What I meant was this: the fact that Dave and I use map to refer to a single-row mapping is just another fact that could and should be included on the page. At the time I wrote what you're referring to, I believe that fact was absent from the page. You added it back. Thank you for that. I think it's good for it to be there. But that's different than labelling it as part of a "flavor" or "project" or "branch" or whatever of RTT, which I definitely don't want. As you can see in my latest edit, I describe it as something we recommend. People can take it or leave it.

::::: To be absolutely clear, I did not ''tell'' you to add such a category. You expressed interest in adding such a category yourself. I said you could do it if you wanted. I won't stop you, but I most certainly don't have any desire for it myself. When I said "I don't have a problem with it" I just meant that I wouldn't dislike it enough that I would feel compelled to delete it. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 04:12, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

:::::: I didn't say anything about "branches" of anything. Whatever you are working on with Dave is certainly a "project" in the standard English definition of the word and that is all I intended. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 06:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

::::::: Ah, I see. Sorry to have assumed otherwise, and I'll avoid making such assumptions in the future.

::::::: To explain what happened: yes, I agree you didn't use the word "branch", and yes, I agree it is a "project" in the standard English definition. But due to the intensity and protracted nature of recent discussions you and I were having on Facebook where you were using "project" roughly interchangeably with "branch", your use of the word "project" in the context of my work on the wiki has become charged for me with meaning beyond its dictionary definition, and that's also why I brought the word "branch" up again. I had just figured that you remembered these discussions too, and were intentionally referencing them. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 13:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

= Rewrite =

: I've rewritten this with lots of additional information about the ways the term "map" has been used in RTT, much of which is mutually incompatible with the new definition, and some of which is not. It is on this page just so it is documented somewhere. I also left another note clarifying precisely how the new definition differs from the old and which authors use which definition where. This is a starting point, so feel free to edit further, in particular Douglas and Dave's section is just my best attempt at explaining and I am sure they will have edits. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 03:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

:: Thanks for that Mike. I've taken another pass at it. Please feel free to edit further and/or keep up the conversation. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 04:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

::: Looks good, I've made some additional edits. Likewise. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 04:53, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

:::: I'm fine with how it looks now. Thanks. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 13:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

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 :::: You literally just told me to add a note to the bullet points clarifying which usages are yours + Dave's. So I did; I added a bunch of stuff in that direction, historical usages of "map" and ways in which it is the same and different from this new proposed definition and who used what terms where and so forth. You are now saying that you don't want to be quarantined behind labels? You also just told me 45 minutes ago to add a category for your + Dave's stuff, and linked to your user page for reference, although I didn't do it. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 03:40, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
+::::: Sorry for the confusion Mike. Please let me clarify.
+::::: What I meant was this: the fact that Dave and I use map to refer to a single-row mapping is just another fact that could and should be included on the page. At the time I wrote what you're referring to, I believe that fact was absent from the page. You added it back. Thank you for that. I think it's good for it to be there. But that's different than labelling it as part of a "flavor" or "project" or "branch" or whatever of RTT, which I definitely don't want. As you can see in my latest edit, I describe it as something we recommend. People can take it or leave it.
+::::: To be absolutely clear, I did not ''tell'' you to add such a category. You expressed interest in adding such a category yourself. I said you could do it if you wanted. I won't stop you, but I most certainly don't have any desire for it myself. When I said "I don't have a problem with it" I just meant that I wouldn't dislike it enough that I would feel compelled to delete it. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 04:12, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
+:::::: I didn't say anything about "branches" of anything. Whatever you are working on with Dave is certainly a "project" in the standard English definition of the word and that is all I intended. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 06:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
+::::::: Ah, I see. Sorry to have assumed otherwise, and I'll avoid making such assumptions in the future.
+::::::: To explain what happened: yes, I agree you didn't use the word "branch", and yes, I agree it is a "project" in the standard English definition. But due to the intensity and protracted nature of recent discussions you and I were having on Facebook where you were using "project" roughly interchangeably with "branch", your use of the word "project" in the context of my work on the wiki has become charged for me with meaning beyond its dictionary definition, and that's also why I brought the word "branch" up again. I had just figured that you remembered these discussions too, and were intentionally referencing them. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 13:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 = Rewrite =
 : I've rewritten this with lots of additional information about the ways the term "map" has been used in RTT, much of which is mutually incompatible with the new definition, and some of which is not. It is on this page just so it is documented somewhere. I also left another note clarifying precisely how the new definition differs from the old and which authors use which definition where. This is a starting point, so feel free to edit further, in particular Douglas and Dave's section is just my best attempt at explaining and I am sure they will have edits. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 03:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
+:: Thanks for that Mike. I've taken another pass at it. Please feel free to edit further and/or keep up the conversation. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 04:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
+::: Looks good, I've made some additional edits. Likewise. [[User:Mike Battaglia|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Mike Battaglia|talk]]) 04:53, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
+:::: I'm fine with how it looks now. Thanks. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 13:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)