Bird's eye view of temperaments by accuracy: Difference between revisions

Godtone (talk | contribs)
m Garibaldi: address a bunch of things discussed on my user page where it was brought up. i'll do a diff again to see if i missed anything, also cuz theres some repeat info i want to address
Godtone (talk | contribs)
m Gary: sort odds
 
(5 intermediate revisions by the same user not shown)
Line 125: Line 125:


* 82: see [[#Gary]]
* 82: see [[#Gary]]
* 176 for {3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 21, 25
* 176 for {3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 21, 25}


Generator tunings: (55\94, 1\2), (79\176, 1\2), (158\270, 1\2)
Generator tunings: (55\94, 1\2), (79\176, 1\2), (158\270, 1\2)
Line 156: Line 156:
Note counts:  
Note counts:  


* 41 for {3, 9, 7, 11, 21, 27, 33, 77, 81, 99} ([[12L 29s]])
* 41 for {3, 7, 9, 11, 21, 27, 33, 77, 81, 99} ([[12L 29s]])


Generator tunings: 24\41, 55\94, 79\135, 498\851
Generator tunings: 24\41, 55\94, 79\135, 498\851
Line 202: Line 202:
* the most accurate is [[#Sendai]] which finds primes 23 and 29
* the most accurate is [[#Sendai]] which finds primes 23 and 29
* the second most accurate is [[#Sensible]], which finds primes 11, 17 and 23
* the second most accurate is [[#Sensible]], which finds primes 11, 17 and 23
* the simplest but least accurate is [[#Sensor]] (commonly just called "sensi"), which interprets it as a full 17-limit temperament.
* the simplest but least accurate is [[Sensipent family#Sensor|Sensor]] (commonly just called "sensi"), which interprets it as a full 17-limit temperament, for which the best tuning is [[46edo]].


==== [[Würschmidt]] ====
==== [[Würschmidt]] ====
Line 224: Line 224:
[[#Generator tunings|Generator tunings]]: 24\31, 31\53, 55\94
[[#Generator tunings|Generator tunings]]: 24\31, 31\53, 55\94


Garibaldi is arguably the best way to bestow prime 7 upon [[#Schismic]] effectively, at the cost of some accuracy. It uses a slightly sharper fifth that tunes the 5-limit worse, making it no longer a microtemperament. This is done by interpreting (9/8)<sup>3</sup> as [[~]][[10/7]] by tempering out S8/S9 = [[5120/5103]] so that 8/7 and 10/9 are equidistant from 9/8, corresponding to equating S8 = [[64/63]] and S9 = [[81/80]] respectively. This results in a conveniently general tempered comma-sized interval that also represents the [[Pythagorean comma]], which is equal to (9/8)<sup>6</sup> / (2/1).
Garibaldi is arguably the best way to bestow prime 7 upon [[#Schismic]] effectively, at the cost of some accuracy. It uses a slightly sharper fifth that tunes the 5-limit worse, making it no longer a microtemperament. This is done by interpreting (9/8)<sup>3</sup> as [[~]][[10/7]] by tempering out S8/S9 = [[5120/5103]] so that 8/7 and 10/9 are equidistant from 9/8, corresponding to equating S8 = [[64/63]] and S9 = [[81/80]] respectively. This results in a conveniently general tempered comma-sized interval that also represents the [[Pythagorean comma]], which is equal to (9/8)<sup>6</sup> / (2/1). [[41edo]] and [[53edo]] are slightly overtempered and undertempered for it respectively, so that [[94edo]] is pretty close to optimal, though it has a (barely) inconsistently flat [[~]][[25/16]] which is unbefitting of schismic. 94 + 41 = [[135edo]] and 94 + 53 = [[147edo]] also support it but with yet more inconsistencies due to the finer gamut, so it's worth checking the "Prime harmonics" tables to see if you're okay with the errors.  


[[41edo]] and [[53edo]] are slightly overtempered and undertempered for it respectively, so that [[94edo]] is pretty close to optimal, though it has a (barely) inconsistently flat [[~]][[25/16]] which is unbefitting of schismic. 94 + 41 = [[135edo]] and 94 + 53 = [[147edo]] also support it but with yet more inconsistencies due to the finer gamut, so it's worth checking the "Prime harmonics" tables to see if you're okay with the errors.
Which of 41edo and 53edo do better in the 7-limit depends on how you measure them and who you ask; therefore, a better way of choosing is based on whether you care more about prime 11 or prime 13:
 
* For prime 11, [[41edo]] is better, as it finds [[~]][[11/9]] as half of the fifth and as a comma above [[~]][[6/5]] (as in [[cassandra]]) or a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] (as in [[andromeda]]), corresponding to [[tetracot]] in 2.3.5.11 (by tempering out (S9/S11 = [[243/242]],) S10 = [[100/99]] and S10/(S9/S11) = [[2200/2187]] respectively) which splits the halved fifth into two small major seconds of [[~]][[11/10]][[~]][[10/9]] around 175.6 cents. However, there is significant damage to 15/13 and 13/10.
The choice of 41edo and 53edo for the 7-limit is hard to determine, so a better way of choosing is choosing between primes 7, 11 and primes 5, 13.
* For primes 5 and 13, [[53edo]] is better, as it finds [[interseptimal interval]]s distinctly from adjacent [[septimal]] intervals so that [[~]][[15/13]] is half of a practically-just [[4/3]] (tempering out [[676/675|S13/S15]]) and is (resultantly) found as a comma above [[~]][[8/7]] or a comma below [[~]][[7/6]], which reflects to (3/2)/(15/13) = [[~]][[13/10]] being made the midpoint of [[~]][[21/16]] and [[~]][[9/7]] respectively. It also makes [[~]][[16/13]] a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] (by tempering out ((5/4)/(16/13))/(81/80) = 325/324). This corresponds to a number of temperaments; the most relevant of which for [[#Schismic]] is the very accurate extension to prime 13 called [[Schismatic family#Tridecaschismic (2.3.5.13)|tridecaschismic]], corresponding to reaching 13/4 through (9/8)<sup>10</sup> (tempering out the [[tridecapyth comma]]) and also corresponding to tempering out [[325/324]] = S25*S26 = S10/S12 as mentioned. However, there is significant damage to 14/11. (Also, 53edo's fifth is flatter so better tuned for schismic/for the 5-limit, as implicitly aforementioned.)
* For prime 11, [[41edo]] is better, as it finds [[~]][[11/9]] as half of the fifth and as a comma above [[~]][[6/5]] (as in [[cassandra]]) or a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] (as in [[andromeda]]). However, there is significant damage to 15/13 and 13/10.
* For primes 5 and 13, [[53edo]] is better, as it finds [[interseptimal interval]]s distinctly from adjacent [[septimal]] intervals so that [[~]][[15/13]] is half of a practically-just [[4/3]] (tempering out [[676/675|S13/S15]]) and is (resultantly) found as a comma above [[~]][[8/7]] or a comma below [[~]][[7/6]], which reflects to (3/2)/(15/13) = [[~]][[13/10]] being made the midpoint of [[~]][[21/16]] and [[~]][[9/7]] respectively. It also makes [[~]][[16/13]] a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] (by tempering out ((5/4)/(16/13))/(81/80) = 325/324). This corresponds to a number of temperaments; the most relevant of which for [[#Schismic]] is the very accurate extension to prime 13 called [[Schismatic family#Tridecaschismic (2.3.5.13)|tridecaschismic]], corresponding to reaching 13/4 through (9/8)<sup>10</sup> (tempering out the [[tridecapyth comma]]) and also corresponding to tempering out [[325/324]] = S25*S26 = S10/S12 as mentioned. However, there is significant damage to 14/11.


Both support [[cassandra]], a 13-limit extension which finds [[~]][[16/13]] as a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] and equates (3/2)/(16/13) = [[39/32]] with [[11/9]]. (This means that in 41edo, we have a single neutral third at the cost of damage to prime 13, while in 53edo we have two neutral thirds at the cost of damage to prime 11, hence 41 + 53 = [[94edo]] is a lot more characteristic of cassandra's tuning.)
Both support [[cassandra]], a 13-limit extension which finds [[~]][[16/13]] as a comma below [[~]][[5/4]] and equates (3/2)/(16/13) = [[39/32]] with [[11/9]]. (This means that in 41edo, we have a single neutral third at the cost of damage to prime 13, while in 53edo we have two neutral thirds at the cost of damage to prime 11, hence 41 + 53 = [[94edo]] is a lot more characteristic of cassandra's tuning.)