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Created page with "; In ''my personal subjective opinion'': The '''best-sounding''' tunings for most Japanese scales are: * Meantone temperament in 55edo * 2/11-comma meantone * Meantone temperament in 43edo * 1/5-comma meantone Other tunings that aren't quite as good as those, but still '''very good''', for most Japanese scales are: * Any meantone tuning with a fifth between 697{{c}} (5/22-comma) and 701{{c}} (..."
 
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The '''best-sounding''' tunings for most Japanese scales are:
The '''best-sounding''' tunings for most Japanese scales are:
* [[Meantone]] temperament in [[55edo]]
* [[Meantone]] temperament in [[55edo]]
* [[Historical temperaments|2/11-comma meantone]]
* [[Historical temperaments|2/11-comma meantone]]
* [[Meantone]] temperament in [[43edo]]
* Meantone temperament in [[98edo]]
* Meantone temperament in [[43edo]]
* [[Historical temperaments|1/5-comma meantone]]
* [[Historical temperaments|1/5-comma meantone]]


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Tunings that sound '''bad''' to me include:
Tunings that sound '''bad''' to me include:
* The most obvious 5-limit [[just intonation]] interpetations of the scales: these have too many [[wolf interval|wolf]] intervals-between-intervals
* The most obvious 5-limit [[just intonation]] interpetations of the scales: these have too many [[wolf interval|wolf]] intervals-between-intervals
* [[Pythagorean]] and similar tunings (e.g. [[schismic]], [[garibaldi]], [[cassandra]], [[andromeda]], [[65edo]], [[53edo]], [[41edo]] - these have the same wolf problems as the just interpretations
* [[Pythagorean]] and similar tunings (e.g. [[schismic]], [[garibaldi]], [[cassandra]], [[andromeda]], [[65edo]], [[53edo]], [[41edo]]) - these have the same wolf problems as the just interpretations
* Any meantone tuning with fifths flatter than 2/9-comma (e.g. [[31edo]], quarter-comma, [[50edo]], 1/3-comma) - these include some tritones which are a bit sharper than [[10/7]], and to my ears those just sound unbearably bitter
* Any meantone tuning with fifths flatter than 2/9-comma (e.g. [[31edo]], quarter-comma, [[50edo]], 1/3-comma) - these include some tritones which are a bit sharper than [[10/7]], and to my ears those just sound unbearably bitter
* Any [[leapday]] tuning close to [[46edo]] - the 10/7 tritone gets too sharp which makes the whole scale too bitter, like in the flatter meantone tunings
* Any [[leapday]] tuning close to [[46edo]] - the 10/7 tritone gets too sharp which makes the whole scale too bitter, like in the flatter meantone tunings


Tunings that I '''have yet to try properly''' and plan to try in future:
* Over-3, -5, -7, -11, -13, -17, -19 & -23 primodality
** Semiprime modes of the above
* Compton in [[84edo]]
* [[User:BudjarnLambeth/Substitute harmonic|Narrowed compton]]


; For all these tunings, any note will work as the tonic but my favourite is D tuned to 140-150 Hz.
; For all these tunings, any note will work as the tonic but my favourite is somewhere between 100 and 120 Hz (G#, Ab, A, A# or Bb).
 
 
; For all these tunings, any timbre will work but I especially like the [[Scale Workshop]] "piano" aperiodic timbre with a percussive (medium) envelope and moderate reverb, as to me it sounds like a {{w|koto}}.




'''The remainder of this page''' will list various Japanese scales in various tunings that I consider "good" for these scales.  
'''The remainder of this page''' will list various Japanese scales in various tunings that I consider "good" for these scales.  


I list all of the scales (including rotations) for 12, 29, 43 and 55 edos and the JI tunings.  
I list all of the scales here (including rotations) for some tunings... For others I only list 3 of the scales, but you can derive the rest from rotating those 3.
 
For all other edos I only list 3 of the scales, but you can derive the rest from rotating those 3.


== Japanese scales in 12edo ==
== Japanese scales in 12edo ==
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; Minor pentatonic step pattern


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
3\12
3\12
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</pre>
</pre>


Major pentatonic or ryosen
Major pentatonic or Ryosen
<pre>
<pre>
2\12
2\12
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
23\91
23\91
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
20\79
20\79
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
17\67
17\67
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; Major pentatonic step pattern
; Major pentatonic step pattern


Major pentatonic or ryosen
Major pentatonic or Ryosen
<pre>
<pre>
9\55
9\55
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
14\55
14\55
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41\55
41\55
55\55
55\55
</pre>
=== 98edo ===
; Hirajoshi step pattern
Akebono II
<pre>
9\98
41\98
57\98
66\98
98\98
</pre>
Hirajoshi or Kata-Kumoi
<pre>
16\98
25\98
57\98
66\98
98\98
</pre>
Hirajoshi Mode III or Kumoi II
<pre>
32\98
41\98
73\98
89\98
98\98
</pre>
Hirajoshi Mode V or Kumoi IV
<pre>
32\98
50\98
57\98
89\98
98\98
</pre>
Iwato
<pre>
9\98
41\98
50\98
82\98
98\98
</pre>
; Kokin-Joshi step pattern
Akebono I
<pre>
16\98
25\98
57\98
73\98
98\98
</pre>
Han-Kumoi
<pre>
16\98
41\98
57\98
66\98
98\98
</pre>
Kokin-Joshi
<pre>
9\98
41\98
57\98
82\98
98\98
</pre>
; Major pentatonic step pattern
Major pentatonic or Ryosen
<pre>
16\98
32\98
57\98
73\98
98\98
</pre>
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
25\98
41\98
57\98
82\98
98\98
</pre>
Ritusen
<pre>
16\98
41\98
57\98
73\98
98\98
</pre>
</pre>


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; Major pentatonic step pattern


Major pentatonic or ryosen
Major pentatonic or Ryosen
<pre>
<pre>
7\43
7\43
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
11\43
11\43
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
19\74
19\74
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
27\105
27\105
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
17\70
17\70
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
24\99
24\99
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2\29
2\29
12\29
12\29
15\29
14\29
24\29
24\29
29\29
29\29
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; Minor pentatonic step pattern


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
7\29
7\29
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</pre>
</pre>


Major pentatonic or ryosen
Major pentatonic or Ryosen
<pre>
<pre>
5\29
5\29
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
25\104
25\104
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
18\75
18\75
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; Major pentatonic step pattern
; Major pentatonic step pattern


Major pentatonic or ryosen
Major pentatonic or Ryosen
<pre>
<pre>
36/32
36/32
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</pre>
</pre>


Minor pentatonic or min'yo
Minor pentatonic or Min'yo
<pre>
<pre>
38/32
38/32
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</pre>
</pre>


{{Scale gallery}}
== Music examples ==
; [[Budjarn Lambeth]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISO3tO0MjLM ''Improvisation in a mode of han-kumoi (43edo, ~1/5-comma meantone)]'' (2025)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJkC1RKI3kg ''Improvisation in a mode of hirajoshi (43edo, ~1/5-comma meantone)]'' (2025)
 
== To-do ==
Tunings that I '''have yet to try properly''' and plan to try in future:
* Over-3, -5, -7, -11, -13, -17, -19 & -23 primodality
** Semiprime modes of the above
* [[Compton]][36] in [[60edo]], [[72edo]], [[84edo]] & [[96edo]]
* [[User:BudjarnLambeth/Substitute harmonic|Narrowed compton]] tunings
* [[Ripple]] tunings
* [[Passion]] tunings
* [[Injera]]
* [[Diaschismic]]
* [[Srutal]]
* [[Pajara]]
* [[Fog]]
* [[Misty]]
* [[August]]
* [[Unlit]]
* [[Undim]]
* [[Bidia]]
* [[Hexe]]
 
== See also ==
* [[User:BudjarnLambeth/Trippy warped hirajoshi scale]]
* [[37edo#Scales]] (has strange versions of hirajoshi and akebono I)
 
{{Navbox scale gallery}}


[[Category:5-tone scales]]
[[Category:5-tone scales]]
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