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'''The Jacobins''' is a collection of microtemperaments of different ranks which all temper out the jacobin comma, [[6656/6655]].
'''The Jacobins''' is a collection of microtemperaments of different ranks which all temper out the jacobin comma, [[6656/6655]].


The main focus here will be on the 2.5.11.13 [[subgroup]], the subgorup of the comma. Besides, in the full 13-limit the jacobin comma often functions as a part of a basis of other temperaments of other families and groups, like [[vidar]].  
The main focus here will be on the 2.5.11.13 [[subgroup]], the subgroup of the comma. Besides, in the full 13-limit the jacobin comma often functions as a part of a basis of other temperaments of other families and groups, like [[vidar]].  


Quite coincidentally, [[1789edo]] supports an enormous amount of these temperaments. Since 1789edo has a bad approximation to the 3rd harmonic, 2.5.7.11.13 is also the main subgroup for many temperaments, and 7-limit extensions to 2.5.11.13 temperaments are named "septimal …" after the original temperament.
Quite coincidentally, [[1789edo]] supports an enormous amount of these temperaments ― and it is consistent to distance 2 in the 2.5.11.13 subgroup, subgroup of the comma. Since 1789edo has a bad approximation to the 3rd harmonic, 2.5.7.11.13 is also the main subgroup for many temperaments, and 7-limit extensions to 2.5.11.13 temperaments are named "septimal …" after the original temperament.


== Jacobin ==
== Jacobin ==
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Optimal tuning (CTE): ~16/11 = 648.608
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~16/11 = 648.608
== Barton ==
{{See also| Chromatic pairs #Barton }}
Barton may be described as the 11 &amp; 13 temperament in the 2.5.11.13 subgroup. It was named after [[Jacob Barton]] by [[Gene Ward Smith]] and [[Carl Lumma]] in 2006<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_14632.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | "father" variant?]</ref>. [[Scott Dakota]] rediscovered this same temperament in 2025 and named it "hem"{{idio}}.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.11.13
[[Comma list]]: [[2200/2197]], [[6656/6655]]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 6 3 6 | 0 -8 1 -5 }}
{{Mapping|legend=3| 1 0 6 0 3 6 | 0 0 -8 0 1 -5 }}
: gencom: [2 11/8; 2200/2197 6656/6655]
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~11/8 = 551.699
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 11, 13, 24, 37, 50, 87, 298, 385, 472, 559, 1590cd }}
[[Tp tuning #T2 tuning|RMS error]]: 0.0822 cents
== Huguenot ==
Huguenot, named after French calvinists who fled to Ireland, tempers out the [[4225/4224|leprechaun comma]] together with the jacobin comma.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 4225/4224, 6656/6655
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 4 2 2 1 | 0 1 4 0 -3 -5 | 0 0 -5 0 4 7 | 0 0 0 1 0 0 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.009{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.954{{c}}, ~96/55 = 964.312{{c}}, 7/4 = 968.809{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.009, 0.008, -0.025, -0.000, 0.087, -0.102 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.953{{c}}, ~96/55 = 964.309{{c}}, 7/4 = 968.807{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000, -0.002, -0.045, -0.019, 0.058, -0.132 }}
[[Support]]ing [[ET]]s: {{EDOs|87, 224, 270, 311, 494, 581, 764, 814, 1084, 1308}}
[[Badness]]: 0.508


== Genojacobin ==
== Genojacobin ==
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Subgroup: 2.5.11.13
Subgroup: 2.5.11.13


Comma list: 6656/6655, {{monzo|357 -96 19 -54}}
Comma list: 6656/6655, {{monzo|-177 76 -79 74}}


Sval mapping: {{Val|1 100 -99 -206}}, {{Val|0 -143 150 307}}
Sval mapping: {{Val|1 100 -99 -206}}, {{Val|0 -143 150 307}}
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Optimal tuning (CTE): ~55115776/34328125 = 819.676
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~55115776/34328125 = 819.676
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|183, 1057f, 1240, 1423, 1606, 1789, 3395 }}
=== Acroquanharuk ===
Described as 183 & 1240 temperament in the full 13-limit, and named by analogy with acrosextilifourths (see below) as a more large-edo expansion upon quanharuk. 1789d val is chosen as it is simpler.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 729/728, 6656/6655, 1016064/1015625, 14085981/14080000
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 -43 -104 51 101 | 0 5 143 337 -150 -307 }}
Optimal tuning (CWE): ~1755/1408 = 380.323
[[Support]]ing [[ET]]s: {{EDOs|183, 1057f, 1240, 1403, 1789d}}


== Onzonic ==
== Onzonic ==
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== Sextilimeans ==
== Sextilimeans ==
Sextilimeans is like sextilififths, but the fourth that is divided into 6 in sextilififths is tuned to a meantone fourth in the optimal tuning, or about 1/4.26-commma meantone. It should be noted, however, that this meantone fourth is not ~4/3 despite that the name may suggest so. In fact, the 3rd harmonic is not mapped in this temperament at all. It is described as the 229 & 1789 temperament.  
Sextilimeans is like [[sextilifourths]], but the fourth that is divided into 6 in sextilifourths is tuned to a meantone fourth in the optimal tuning, or about 1/4.26-commma meantone. It should be noted, however, that this meantone fourth is not ~4/3 despite that the name may suggest so. In fact, the 3rd harmonic is not mapped in this temperament at all. It is described as the 229 & 1789 temperament.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.11.13
[[Subgroup]]: 2.5.7.11.13
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== Pure bastille ==
== Pure bastille ==
{{Main| Bastille }}
Subgroup: 2.5.11.13
Subgroup: 2.5.11.13


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== Double bastille ==
== Double bastille ==
{{See also| No-threes subgroup temperaments #Bastille }}
Described as the 1789 & 2814 temperament, and named because 2814 divided in two is 1407.
Described as the 1789 & 2814 temperament, and named because 2814 divided in two is 1407.


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{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|1789, 2814, }} ...
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|1789, 2814, }} ...


== Acrosextilififths ==
== Acrosextilifourths ==
Discovered by [[Aura]] and defined as the 159 & 1619 temperament, with prefix acro- denoting the fact that it's a more precise version of sextilififths, with fourth divided into 6 parts in 1619edo just as it is in 159edo.
Discovered by [[Aura]] and defined as the 159 & 1619 temperament, with prefix acro- denoting the fact that it's a more precise version of sextilifourths, with fourth divided into 6 parts in 1619edo just as it is in 159edo.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13
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== Eternal revolutionary ==
== Eternal revolutionary ==
Described as the 1789 & 1880 temperament, and is named after a [[Wikipedia:ua:Вічний революціонер|poem by Ivan Franko]] <sup>[UA, no EN]</sup> which was written in the year 1880, hence the name.
Described as the 91 & 1880 temperament, or 1789bd & 1880 temperament, and is named after a [[Wikipedia:uk:Вічний революціонер|poem by Ivan Franko]] <sup>[UA, no EN]</sup> which was written in the year 1880, hence the name.


Subgroup: 2.5.11.13
Subgroup: 2.5.11.13
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Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2.5.11.13 {{monzo|294 -46 7 -57}} = 580.212
Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2.5.11.13 {{monzo|294 -46 7 -57}} = 580.212


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|91, 1698, 1789, 1880, 3669}}, ...
[[Support]]ing [[ET]]s: {{EDOs|91, 1698, 1789, 1880, 3487, 3669, 5458, 7247}}, ...
 
=== Septimal eternal revolutionary===
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 6656/6655, {{Monzo|-26 5 1 -2 5}}, {{Monzo|-43 35 35 -17 -21}}
 
Sval mapping: [{{Val|1 261 -472 -159 -225}}, {{Val|0 -535 982 336 473}}]
 
Optima tuning (CTE): ~482745786865234375/344859973188583424 = 580.213
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|91d, 1698d, 1789, 1880, 1971cd, 3669}}
 
=== 13-limit (1789bd) ===
Described as the 1789bd & 1880 temperament, as 1880edo contains the 94edo fifth and 1789bd val is better tuned than the patent val.


=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~6875/4914 = 580.213
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~6875/4914 = 580.213


[[Support]]ing [[ET]]s: {{EDOs|91, 1789bd, 1880}}, ...
[[Support]]ing [[ET]]s: {{EDOs|91, 1698bdd, 1789bd, 1880, 1971c}}, ...


=== Hymn (rank-3) ===
=== Hymn (rank-3) ===
An expansion of Eternal Revolutionary resulting from the 31 & 91 maximal evenness scale. Described as the 31f & 91d & 1789 temperament.
An expansion of eternal revolutionary resulting from the 31 & 91 maximal evenness scale. Described as the 31f & 91 & 1880 temperament. It contains as a subset a rank-2 extension of the [[tritoni]] temperament into the 13-limit.


Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 6656/6655, 2.5.7.11.13{{monzo| -677 206 124 -71 26 }}
Comma list: 6656/6655, {{monzo|-17 -12 6 4 1 2}}, {{monzo|-12 2 17 -11 -1 1}}


Sval mapping: [{{Val|1 0 3 77 222}}, {{Val|0 1 4 -104 -311}}, {{Val| 0 0 7 -124 -372}}]
{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 4 14 19 -15 40 | 0 -5 -6 -10 4 6 | 0 0 -17 22 32 79 }}


Sval mapping generators: ~2 = 1\1, ~5 = 2786.260, ~{{monzo|-291 0 89 53 -30 11}} = 1625.181
Sval mapping generators: ~2 = 1\1, ~3773/2700 = 579.594, ~290304/203125 = 619.783


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|31f, 91d, 1789, 3669}}, ...
[[Support]]ing [[ET]]s: {{EDOs|31f, 60f, 91, 122, 1789bd, 1880, 1911f, 2002c}}, ...


[[Category:Commatic realms]]
[[Category:Commatic realms]]
[[Category:Jacobin]]
[[Category:Jacobin]]
{{Todo| review }}
{{Todo| review }}